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I had a few trucks that ran on filtered veg oil, and handled so much of the stuff it affected my eating habits. How good or bad the oil is makes a big difference as to its filterablility. I try to avoid any that wont go through a filter at room temperature, which pretty well rules out the hydrogenated stuff. If the establishment will pour it through their shortening filter as they drain their vat, that is a huge plus for you.

If you still have smoke, you could try supplying your oil via a heated pipe, or aiming the nozzle at a white hot bit of metal like the glow plug in a diesel.
 
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Thanks for the good advice. He says the oil they use gets stiff below freezing. I'll likely try to blend it with motor oil or diesel in cold weather.

I do have some Hastelloy screen, I had thought about putting a piece in the firebox to act as a glow plug. I'll do that if it doesn't quit smoking on its own.
 

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I've come to realise that many of the guys burning true waste oil or vege oil cheat a little by adding some kerosene or diesel into the oil. Increasing the consistency of the burn by a lot with little extra cost. I'd even be happy to burn straight diesel here since it is so much cheaper than canned LPG or half the price of petrol and I don't have to pay road tax on it. Strangely I hate the smell of diesel more than mercaptan.

I've seen a burner that used a screen in the shape of a V in the burn path with the sharp end of the V towards the supply end. Acting as a flame arrester for the flame front(like the mesh mantle in a gas lamp) but I always wondered if it also assisted as a heat vapourisation barrier or like a heat catalyst. Hastelloy mesh would be perfect in that case.
 
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Stay safe

Andy seriously, out here we would get drawn and quartered if we got caught with something like that.

Pretty unsafe to have a double ended cord. Of course, only half as unsafe here with out wimpy 120v. I really need to wire mine in to the outlet on the saw and gain a spare plug.

I've come to realise that many of the guys burning true waste oil or vege oil cheat a little by adding some kerosene or diesel into the oil. Increasing the consistency of the burn by a lot with little extra cost. I'd even be happy to burn straight diesel here since it is so much cheaper than canned LPG or half the price of petrol and I don't have to pay road tax on it. Strangely I hate the smell of diesel more than mercaptan.

I've seen a burner that used a screen in the shape of a V in the burn path with the sharp end of the V towards the supply end. Acting as a flame arrester for the flame front(like the mesh mantle in a gas lamp) but I always wondered if it also assisted as a heat vapourisation barrier or like a heat catalyst. Hastelloy mesh would be perfect in that case.

I'm going to pursue the waste material however so far the flame coming out the arch vent make it difficult to see the melt and charge more material. I have finished all three oil melts with straight propane, but that's what I'm used to. I can't judge temperature very well through the flame. I think having a good damper will make control a lot easier. With my vacuum I was putting in too much air and keeping the furnace from getting as hot as it could. I also need to put in a needle valve to control oil flow. I didn't want to filter oil and I've been using a 1/4" ball valve so when it plugs I can snap it open and back closed to pass the plug. First I'm going to try lower oil feed pressure. I had been running it at 20 psi.

The diesel smell reminds me of a hard January spent in Tehran. Cold, with smokey diesel buses spewing. 1977. I don't like it.

My Hastelloy screen is coarse, about 1/4" mesh with 10 ga wire. But it would make a nice hot surface for a long time.

Thanks for visiting, guys. Sorry I missed responding to your post earlier, Steve.
 
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A lot of stuff going on around here and not much of it is shop related. :(

Hershey showed up this morning with a snakebite on her left cheek.

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Likely a copperhead. My woodcutter is a **** hunter and has lots of dogs so I called him. He had a home remedy which should make her feel better in a day or two. The snakebite results in lots of swelling but rarely fatal to a dog. She has not felt well all day though, so we've been pampering her.

I had to go to Mannford so I stopped by the pharmacy and got a picture of the shelf in use.

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And here is the modified oil burner. From left to right, the fire end, the oil inlet with gauge and feed tube to the left end, the propane nozzle with a needle valve, and a slot for an air damper. Air goes in the right end. It is fortunate the shop vacuum fits perfectly into this pipe.

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Thanks for looking in!
 

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Your first 2 pictures didn't show up. We all want to feel sorry for Hershey, and we all want to see the shelves in use. The burner shows up fine.

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Handy: I hope Hershey gets well soon. dang that must of hurt. too bad we all have to learn some things the hard way in Hershey's case or has she had several snake bites?

I know several people that heat their big shops with old oil and other things and it seems to be a fairly reasonable way to heat their shops according to them. they all mention that it's one full day of HORRIBLE/AWFUL cleaning a year so the furnace can keep working.

I can't see the shelving picture either so maybe you forgot to attach it. I bet the new owner of that unit is more than happy with it's construction and look.
 

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Tough luck with Hershey, hopefully she has a quick recovery. I'm enjoying the continuing evolution of the waste oil burner.

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Your first 2 pictures didn't show up. We all want to feel sorry for Hershey, and we all want to see the shelves in use. The burner shows up fine.

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A funny thing happened on the way to the forum. I had the post ready to go but didn't have a burner picture so I went out to the shop, took the picture, loaded it, and when i went to upload it I noticed the others were not in "Manage Attachments" but they still showed up in the post preview. Oh well, it's all magic anyway. Next day they still showed up for me upon reloading so I thought it was good.

Things I think.

I'll bet Hershey learned about snakes.

Handy: I hope Hershey gets well soon. dang that must of hurt. too bad we all have to learn some things the hard way in Hershey's case or has she had several snake bites?

I know several people that heat their big shops with old oil and other things and it seems to be a fairly reasonable way to heat their shops according to them. they all mention that it's one full day of HORRIBLE/AWFUL cleaning a year so the furnace can keep working.

I can't see the shelving picture either so maybe you forgot to attach it. I bet the new owner of that unit is more than happy with it's construction and look.

This is the first snake bite I know of. She chewed through one extension cord and it bit her. She now leaves all cords and hoses alone.:bounce:

Running properly the burner should burn with no smoke and not much residue.

Maybe I did just forget to attach it. But I could see it.

She is pretty happy with it.

Sorry to hear about Hersey.Hope she will be well soon

Thank you! This morning the swelling was way down and she was jumping and happy as usual. The medicine really took care of business.

Andy all the best for Hershey's recovery, a snake bite no less.

My projects have been snake bit, and my cows, but this is a first for Hershey and not yet for me. I hope to remain a novice.

Tough luck with Hershey, hopefully she has a quick recovery. I'm enjoying the continuing evolution of the waste oil burner.

JB

As you've read she is doing great. Someone mentioned there could be kidney damage, I hope not, she has a lot of running to do yet.

I was expecting the oil burner to be a easy as the propane burner. I was wrong. But we're getting there.

Sorry to hear about Hershey Andy. Hope she feels better soon.

Bret

She is feeling great. Our weather has moderated, it was 68 overnight and she was a happy girl this morning.

Thanks for the visits, guys, and especially the concern for Hershey. She's my buddy.
 
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Made some progress today.

I learned something about the Satanite. It is clay commonly packed on knives to protect the spine from quenching to keep it tough. It is also used in forges to make a layer over ceramic fiber. But a 1 inch layer was too thick and was shrinking and curling up as it dried so I removed it.

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It was just like dried clay and I realized it could be reconstituted (not much available for instructions). I shaved some off and made a slurry.

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And painted it on thin. This has been dried about twenty minutes with a hair dryer.

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It was hard. Good. I added three more layers, letting it dry good in between layers then left the hair dryer on it for a couple of hours. The temperature got up to 200F so I fired it up.

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Notice there is no smoke and you can see the yellow propane valve is off. This is old very black motor oil, transmission fluid, and gear grease. Anything I have drained out of cars the last few years.

The air control on the burner makes all the difference. It's the yellow tab on the rear in a slot.

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It looks like it has 1/3 of the pipe open.

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The yellow guillotine hinge bolt is squeezing a grommet to provide friction. It works great and doesn't vibrate out of position.

I'm using a 1/4" ball valve to throttle the oil. Flow is very sensitive to small changes in position and I can adjust air to barely eliminate the smoke. I lowered the supply pressure to 10 psi and think I'll try 5 psi next. My quandary is I want to use the ball valve if possible. When it plugs up I can snap it open and back closed and let the plug go through. With a needle valve, it might have to be disassembled. Since I have plenty of pressure (the tank can operate up to 40 psi) I should put an oil filter on the feed line. I hesitate to do that because if I can burn sludge or water contaminated oil it makes collecting oil easier. An oil filter may plug up suddenly if it gets a lot of sludge but the furnace can burn it if I can get it into the furnace. Did that make sense?

Here's a view down toward the burner. I'm getting swirl around the crucible but also a secondary swirl in front of the burner. I kind of like that because it helps the oil get hot.

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The oil fire is almost free, but it's a little hard looking through the flame to charge the crucible. I think I'll get used to it. I can always shut off the oil then turn it back on or switch back to propane. I melted two crucibles of aluminum today. The new floor coating looks good but it's too hot to really look at. It will still be over 100F in the morning but I can stand that. The insulation really holds the heat.

Thanks for stopping by. Making a little progress!
 

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Granddads beagles would show up with ground rattler bites from time to time. I wish that I knew what he applied. Was some concoction and something purple. Iodine I suppose. Hershey must be miserable.
 
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Andy sweet:thumbup:

Thanks, Steve! :bowdown:

Granddads beagles would show up with ground rattler bites from time to time. I wish that I knew what he applied. Was some concoction and something purple. Iodine I suppose. Hershey must be miserable.

He gave her 5cc of LA-200 orally. The next day she was fine and active but still a little swollen. This is the third day and you couldn't tell she was snake bit if you didn't know. Swelling is almost all gone.

Remember if you get your veterinary advice from a garage forum...
 
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Handy: I for one am very happy Hershey is feeling better. nice to know you have a vet almost at your (and her) beckon call to help.

you have that good old fashioned GET R DONE attitude when you want to design and use something and this forge just keeps improving all the time. of course i know your temp holders (brick and old wheel) might improve to something a bit more permanent later, but it seems to be working now.

nice to see your shelving unit is getting filled up at the new pharmacy. nice to see small town marketing and i'm guessing it is also a doctor's office?

hope you enjoy your SATURDAY today as much as i will.

cheers
 
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Handy: I for one am very happy Hershey is feeling better. nice to know you have a vet almost at your (and her) beckon call to help.

you have that good old fashioned GET R DONE attitude when you want to design and use something and this forge just keeps improving all the time. of course i know your temp holders (brick and old wheel) might improve to something a bit more permanent later, but it seems to be working now.

nice to see your shelving unit is getting filled up at the new pharmacy. nice to see small town marketing and i'm guessing it is also a doctor's office?

hope you enjoy your SATURDAY today as much as i will.

cheers

Thanks! Hershey is just doing great. My son in law is also an excellent animal health advisor and I don't hesitate to call the vet either. She will sometimes give me free advice over the phone.

I don't know, the cap block seems to work very well. The wheel was just what was nearby. I'm thinking of putting a flat foot on the burner which will bear on the block to keep the burner from rotating.

Andy, I showed my wife this picture. My poor knowledge of English does not allow me to Express her admiration, delight and gratitude to you.

Marvelous! You have communicated perfectly. I'm assuming it has not arrived yet. It's only been traveling a few weeks.

I think I have a problem. I've been melting scrap just to make ingots. I tell myself it's practice with the oil burner but in reality I just like melting and pouring hot metal.

The Satanite has done well. Here it is after four firings. A few cracks but it looks good.

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And I'm getting substantial ash buildup where the oil is vaporizing after hitting the wall.

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I did, however, pull myself away long enough to fit three hammer handles.

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Thanks for the visits!!
 

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Andy sorry to hear about Hershey but thought you would be comforted knowing that my cocker spaniel got hit by a copperhead some years back and he survived fine. Next day or two he was his old self. I would be interested to know what was recommended for treatment as although Buster Brown is gone we have, as you know, Cassie now and I have killed over a dozen copperheads over the years. Interesting nozzle. I will have to catch up on my reading to see how you plan to use it. As usual, I love the simple yet effective designs; especially if they are made with salvaged hardware!
 
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Nice looking hammers AA. I guess you'll have no problem if someone tells you to "Go pound it".:lol_hitti:lol_hitti:lol_hitti

Thank you!

You've been away and probably missed the fact that ramming up a sand mold for casting is "pounding sand".

Andy sorry to hear about Hershey but thought you would be comforted knowing that my cocker spaniel got hit by a copperhead some years back and he survived fine. Next day or two he was his old self. I would be interested to know what was recommended for treatment as although Buster Brown is gone we have, as you know, Cassie now and I have killed over a dozen copperheads over the years. Interesting nozzle. I will have to catch up on my reading to see how you plan to use it. As usual, I love the simple yet effective designs; especially if they are made with salvaged hardware!

I've not seen snake bites be fatal to dogs but if they never come home you don't know. While I was not particularly concerned about Hershey, I still wanted to know if there was something I could do. My woodcutter, although he has ten or more hunting dogs, has become attached to Hershey (as he was to Shorty who would go and sit with him in the woods as he cut) so I wanted to get his advice. He gave her 5cc of LA200 orally. She is fully recovered the best I can tell.
 

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Great job on building the oil burner and the hammers continue to look amazing.

What's the status on the StudeDakota?
 
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Thanks! The oil burner is pretty much free fuel and gets hotter than the propane. Should be good to get to cast iron temperatures.

The StudeDakota is waiting until someone gets interested in it. The one guy seems to be only interested in melting metal once he started. Personally, I think he has a problem, when I try to get him to do something else he agrees he needs to then goes on and melts more metal.
 
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Melted some metal today!:thumbup:

The motor oil leaves a little ash when burnt. It is building up where the oil hits the hot furnace wall. It is good, it gets white hot and acts as an igniter when the furnace is restarted after a short shutdown.

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I fired up the bulk melter and melted an auto airconditioner compressor, Lawn Boy mower, two complete single cylinder engines, and some other junk with steel parts which are hard to get out.

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Also melted some zinc, apparently, lots of white smoke and fireworks.

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I also melted two crucibles of aluminum and poured more ingots. Same same same same. I love it.

Studebaker is still in the shop. Hammers are almost done.
 

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Andy I don't think that you ever get rid of the boy. You are enjoying playing with fire. Keep it up it is bound to be good for you plus it is educational for some of us as we follow along.

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Wow Andy, so much has happened since my last visit...

Great work on the oil burner. :thumbup:

Double male-ended cords. :shocking:

Hershey bitten by a snake. :scared:
(So glad to hear that she's on the mend).

The shelves look great in the pharmacy. :bowdown:


And soooo many of your posts had me in stitches. :lol_hitti
 

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Thank you!

You've been away and probably missed the fact that ramming up a sand mold for casting is "pounding sand".



I've not seen snake bites be fatal to dogs but if they never come home you don't know. While I was not particularly concerned about Hershey, I still wanted to know if there was something I could do. My woodcutter, although he has ten or more hunting dogs, has become attached to Hershey (as he was to Shorty who would go and sit with him in the woods as he cut) so I wanted to get his advice. He gave her 5cc of LA200 orally. She is fully recovered the best I can tell.

What is LA200? Can it be bought over the counter? Just thinking it might be something to keep on hand.....
 
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Andy your Studebaker is getting a little like my Model A.

Nothing like bulk metal recycling..:thumbup:

If it weren't for taking up the space of two vehicles in my shop I'd be happier. Then the old Dodge is taking up space for a third. So I have three vehicles in the shed which all need to go. Just as soon as I finish melting metal...

Bulk melting has it's place for sure. A lot of air is introduced so thin metal tends to get burned up (aluminum oxide) which is not easy to reduce to aluminium again. But complete engines, transmissions, and compressors, with lots of iron and oil inside, are prime candidates. It takes a lot of time to separate out the nuggets, especially if you're like me and just hate to throw the tiny bits away.:willy_nil

I'm spending lots more time sawing up pieces I never thought I could. Even though that is slow the finished product is ready to melt and often so clean I'm just stacking it up to be used like ingots. One melt and cast.

Andy I don't think that you ever get rid of the boy. You are enjoying playing with fire. Keep it up it is bound to be good for you plus it is educational for some of us as we follow along.

Dwight

Who doesn't like a good roaring fire. Ergo the oil burning: roaring fire, flames licking out, and the fuel is free so you don't have to feel guilty about melting marginal scrap.:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

It's terrible for me, I'm just having fun and getting nothing else done. And I don't care!:lol_hitti

Wow Andy, so much has happened since my last visit...

Great work on the oil burner. :thumbup:

Thanks!

Double male-ended cords. :shocking:

Better than male live on the wall :shocking::shocking:

Hershey bitten by a snake. :scared:
(So glad to hear that she's on the mend).

She's a hunter and tough. Her front legs are always cut up from digging and killing.:beer: And she loves mom.

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I would not like to be a burglar around her.

The shelves look great in the pharmacy. :bowdown:

Thanks!

And soooo many of your posts had me in stitches. :lol_hitti

No, that's Bob you're thinking of.:lol_hitti

What is LA200? Can it be bought over the counter? Just thinking it might be something to keep on hand.....

It is oxytetracycline. Formulated for use in cattle. It is not expensive but has a 30 day withdrawal period (if you plan on butchering your dog):(

It only has a shelf life of several months. Refrigeration may help. I used to try to keep it on hand but threw a lot away. The bull got a lot of it. By the way, the woodcutter said he can't tell the bull is limping at all. Everybody's happy.

Thanks for the comments and visits, guys.
 

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Handy: well it's finally SATURDAY. looks like all is pretty good on the farm with the animals recovering from their injuries, your bride getting some quality time with Hershey and you doing as you please after a few hours of chores are done.

as one movie line adjusted a bit for you said "MAN I LOVE THE SMELL OF MELTING METAL IN THE MORNING" could fit you nicely.

carry on and have a great SATURDAY!!

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Handy: well it's finally SATURDAY. looks like all is pretty good on the farm with the animals recovering from their injuries, your bride getting some quality time with Hershey and you doing as you please after a few hours of chores are done.

as one movie line adjusted a bit for you said "MAN I LOVE THE SMELL OF MELTING METAL IN THE MORNING" could fit you nicely.

carry on and have a great SATURDAY!!

cheers

:lol_hitti Would you believe I had almost posted "I love the smell of propane in the morning"?

Had a great Saturday!

:lol:. That's good Drives, I think that fits very well.

Drives is good!

We had a little wind. The weather service estimated 94 mph straight line wind in our area. I had very little damage but part of a Bradford Pear at the front of our drive split and landed in the road. The County moved it as they were clearing roads before we got up.

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I wait until the ground dries up to cut it up.

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Got caught up on trivets and hammers this week so I made two brooms. This is for Jim Reed.

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I meant to take a finished picture but forgot.

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Maybe Jim will snap one if it ever gets there. Drives understands how long it takes to package and get stuff to the Post Office.

Here's the production after a week's work (along with other mundane stuff like doctors' appointments)

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Most of these are local but GJ readers will recognize two of them.

More trivets to come, I've sold seven more!

Thanks for looking in.
 

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Man you are "casting out" some product Andy. ***** you lost a tree. We have had some heavier than normal winds the last couple of days.

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Looks like you have a small production run going on there Andy, looks good. We must have had some strong wind while I was away this weekend too. I lost a pretty good size limb I'll have to deal with later this week.

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