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I stumbled across this video on YouTube and immediately thought "Andy could do that!!"

Spoiler alert -> over 25lbs of molten Al gets poured ....
 
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Andy: not sure you have any ant hills, but killing off the ants and making some cool aluminum art maybe is a win win.

hopefully you enjoyed your SATURDAY!!

cheers
 

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This is a direct Copy and Paste from my USA visit to Andy’s place off my thread

Full Original Road Trip thread thread here:

http://forum.retro-rides.org/thread/205913/grizz-craig-dennis-2018-humdinger

Or my thread on GJ.

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52970

Andy reached out and invited me to visit him and his family, plus dog/s ealy this year.

Once Craig joined the Grizz Travelling Circus, which included Dennis Jones from St Louis as our intrepid guide and introducer to multiple law officers, I asked Andy if his hotel could manage three visitors, to which he agreed.
It changed our trip slightly as plans had included Winfield, Kansas to see Herb, BUGTHUG but he agreed to join us at the farm instead.

So from Arkansas we drove into Oklahoma




Through Tulsa we went in afternoon rush hour to Andy “Oldironfarmer” https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=334140 on his farm.

Part of the attraction was melting metal with Andy and casting hammers and trivets or other items.

We had taken some copper cable, crushed beer cans and smashed aluminium wheels for Andy to add to his stockpile of raw materials for casting.



When we got there, we were greeted by Andy, Sharon his bride and Hershey, Cali his dogs and the neighbors dog.

Then a grand tour of the treasure site.

How many people have a Caboose in their back yard.





Chevy Suburban had Craig all excited, who needs one when you can have two.





Late 1930’s Ford truck.





So many good running, original paint tractors and then some restored examples.



Then around to the forge and following that the furnace area where the melting metal and castin happens.

These two 1954 Chevys got my attention pronto.

I would be happy to have one of these in England too.




We will do a full separate, technical thread on some of Andy’s metal work as it is loaded with photos and technical data that Craig can describe more accurately


After an afternoon of Andy teaching us some of the alchemy of Sand casting and Lost Foam casting we melted loads of aluminium as well as making Alu-Bronze castings. More about this next report.

I was again volunteered to convert some of Andy’s herd of cows into 100% pure handmade beef burgers.

You really can taste the difference.






More in a while.


So before we got to Andy, he had made up a Lost foam casting blank.

Cut out Joy’s name and added a funnel ( I am certain there is a more correct description for that)

It also gets covered in order to protect the sandy sides of the casting.



Out to the casting area.



Then into the dry sand casting bucket, covered in sand which is compacted with a pneumatic ********.



After preparing the foam mound, we filled the crucible with beer cans and aluminium window frame extrusions.



Using old engine oil and a leaf Blower to generate most of the heat, followed by a short blast of pure Propane gas before removing the slag and casting.





Eventually the casting is made by pouring the 1000’C red hot molten aluminium into the cast, burning away the foam, leaving only the casting.



The. Spraying it clean.



Along with some hammer heads Andy cast at the same tim.

All of these still needed trimming and cleaning up.

So all the excess material is cut off on the band daw and then hand worked and machine polished.








If you look closely, you will see the smaller indents with Joy’s name on the front face.



And another Andy Martin piece ready to be shipped out

Thank you Andy



So with the sand casting, to be discussed next, you can copy badges like these extremely closely.



Bedtime now.

Flying out of St Louis tomorrow to Philadelphia and then London.
 

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Before we went to bed Andy and Sharon’s daughter came around with a freshly baked, still warm tray of cinnamon rolls as he expected a few more guests for the next day to cast and drool over all of his cars, tractors and trucks.
I missed out on photographing many of his various toys, both vintage and Hotrod as we were so busy in the casting and melting Department which is hugely interesting.
If you want to see more about Andy’s various toys and projects, including the cattle, animals and his Auction wins go to his thread here: https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=334140

Unfortunately most of the guys did not make it, due to jobs, pet injuries etc.

These were exceptional



Back to casting metals.

Preparing your mould is the most important part of the job.

You build a negative of what you want, in two halves, create channels for the molten metal to run in and fill the cavity, hopefully leaving you with a final product without flaws.
Metals respond very differently to contaminants, temperature and preparation. Some take a lot more heat to get to working temperature etc.

Dennis chose to make an Alu-Bronze trivet for Deb (Debbie)

Once the negative it prepared, it goes into a half mould, gets talcum powder as releasing agent, but you have to brush the excess off to prevent dulling of the casting. It really becomes an art of preparation.
In the mean time the furnace gets fed with metal, to create the pour.

Dennis sifting the green sand over the pattern before compacting it in a three step process, followed by scrapping flat, turning over and removing the negative pattern carefully.
In this process grains of sand can make a difference in outcome.



Every letter gets removed next.

Followed by making the pouring side in a separate box with a pouring channel from the outside and spruces leading in to get an even distribution of metal.



In the mean time, Craig was working in the woodworking and foam area to create some gifts for his family (details later as his is a surprise and his family may be following the thread)

Cutting foam on a hot wire for casting.



Once fully prepped they would be put in the bucket and processed like JOY was done.



While various things happen there are more jobs to do, in order to keep enjoying the hobby.

Here we are using a pneumatic trammel to separate dirt from the casting sand so it can be used again.

Another clever Andy innovation.



The rain continued, as it had all week, but we were semi indoors, so the mosquitos and rain was less of a problem.

Some more of Andys future projects.

Interestingly, rust is not much of a problem on these older vehicles.

Having been in the oil industry, many of Andy’s vehicles came from there too.












You have a very cool place there Andy.Was glad to be able to tag along with Grizz and Craig. One thing i noticed is you not only figured out how to do casting, but you made all the tools to do it with. Really enjoyed the time we got to spend you. I might have even learned a thing or two. Thanks again!

Totally agree with Dennis.

You make so many tools for tasks without even thinking.

I did notice and enjoy that.



Sitting in Philly now, 5 hour layover.

Had pizza, drinks, and actually watched people for a while.

So while we continued to feed the crucible in the furnace, Craig made more foam cutouts.



Andy cut the channels to ensure complete filling of the stars for Alu-Bronze casting, it proves to be less than easy to work with.



Temperature check.



Alu-Bronze pour.

Surface casting.



This was the result of the pour.

Will need to be worked, but remember this metal work hardens, so would prove interesting



I started a new set of stars n steers under Andy’s watchful eye.

Cast iron originals



Placement, talcum powder.



Detail preservation



Sand fill.



Then the back and filling hole and channels get made before casting.

Resulting in this



Happy with a great result, thanks to Andy ensuring it all went smoothly, very smoothly.



With Dennis as part of the production line.





And finally you have all the pieces.

Next job would be to cut them free, then to grind and machine them back to a level where you are happy and polish them up.



VIDEOS OF CASTING.

SAND CASTING.



LOST FOAM CASTING. FOLLOWED BY TWO HAMMER REVEALS.



So now Craig has a set of ally copies of the cast Iron stars and steer head I bought in Arkansas for his place.

I have a few things I would love to make as well, including an old stool hotrodder plaque and another very special trivet for a special lady (not Joy)

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Hey Craig, i was actually going to but I wasn't sure what day you were coming.

That would have been exceptionally cool.

That car is gorgeous.



Of course casting is a hot job.

Andy has that sorted too.

Check out the video.


After casting pieces they need to be trimmed, a hand held electric bandsaw works wonders.



One of the many toys in the barn, shed, garage.



Craig making metal.



Resulting in......







All day the dogs helped as well.

Sweet Calli.



Calli and Hershey together.



As with all fun things, it had to end.

Before we went Andy took us all for a ride in the Show Truck.

For those who missed it the first time.

CLICK LINK.











ANDY MARTIN

THE MAN

THE LEGEND.

ON THE LICENSED, INSURED AND GREAT SHOW TRUCK.




THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN FROM ALL THREE OF US FOR THE MOST AWESOME TIME SOENT WITH YOU, YOUR BRIDE AND THE REST OF YOUR FAMILY.

YOU ROCK ANDY.



One last post.


I think one thing to just highlight, as it has come up on the original trip thread that I posted, is that Andy relies on 1% common sense from his guests and looks after the rest of their safety himself.

So safety glasses at all times when working, feeding furnaces using grinders, drills, and heavy duty leather gauntlets are available on all benches etc, should you then screw up, it is not his fault is it?

Also, more importantly......

When he casts, it is outside under the roof, and all guests need to be inside the shop on the concrete. Once again, the 1%Common sense also comes into play. We possibly transgressed many times and he did shout at us a few times. Ultimately, synthetic trainers won’t make a blind bit of difference.

I hope that makes it clear for many of the readers, stalkers, watchers.


Few more pics from Andy’s for the tractor fetishists.

Ford truck engine, was driven to where it is now awaiting TLC.





Tractors, loads of them and some more around.










Thank you again Andy, for enriching our lives.
 
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Andy it looks like you are doing a fine job in getting the car apart. Now you just have to put it together again. With all of the vehicles you can surely find a use for the old transmission.

Dwight

As a friend said, all that remains is finishing up!

Lot's of places for a TH350.

Andy you guys have had a top day.:thumbup:

Wish you could have been here!!

Andy you are such a romantic!

Who, me?

BB: I was going to say the same thing and wondering if maybe Andy is making up for a past life when he wasn't such a nice guy. or just maybe Andy has always been this thoughtful!!

i've been looking at CNN & WEATHER CHANNEL watching Florence and hope you can somehow stay out of HARM'S WAY. GOD BLESS YOU and GINNY and hope you just get a little wet.

ANDY: that is a very nice thought and project making your friend a memory with that TINKER casting. WELL DONE!!

best of luck with the HOT ROD rebuild that looks like it's going FULL SPEED AHEAD.

enjoy your SATURDAY as I will today!!

My wife has always said "Andy is just as nice as he can be, he just can't be very nice". She knows me best.

Neat little trinket to remember a loved one with. I feel you on the snowball effect of working on anything but cars especially. If you don't have the money/energy to completely rebuild everything on the vehicle it can just get pushed to the side and you'll get to it later. Or another approach that has served me well is "Don't get it right just get it running and drive it." That is why I'm constantly working on my vehicles I guess. :(

JB

I've always had a bad case of good enough, and, I took it apart once, I can take it back apart. That has served me well on farm equipment, getting by as cheaply as possible while still maintaining reliability. A lot like refining. But my son's car is a little different. And I'm running out of time to get everything done.

Andy, I can hear the scope creep afterburners kick in on that purple car. It looks like an old girlfriend of mine--pretty on the outside but a hot mess inside. Good luck with the rebuild(s).

Scope creep, HA!! I'm trying desperately to control it.
 
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I stumbled across this video on YouTube and immediately thought "Andy could do that!!"

Spoiler alert -> over 25lbs of molten Al gets poured ....

I've seen those before, not this one in particular. Very interesting designs. Pompeii for ants. And it makes nice art. It is a task to get that much molten aluminum to the ant hill!

jblnut that's Andy all over. That's cool.:thumbup:

Like pouring money on the ground. Oh, that's the definition of farming! Just buy several thousand dollars of fertilizer and spread it out on the ground not being sure the crop will have enough rain to grow.

That's so cool!

Nice art, isn't it!

Thread for you to look at Andy, just **** for the eyes.

http://forum.retro-rides.org/thread/204934/tractor-thread


Hope you like it.

Nice of you to make me spend that much time! Very cool, but I take issue with his attitude that these are abandoned tractors. Tires up, engines covered, it's just a seasonal operation, looks like logging to me.

WOW, very cool.

X2!

Andy: not sure you have any ant hills, but killing off the ants and making some cool aluminum art maybe is a win win.

hopefully you enjoyed your SATURDAY!!

cheers

I have ant hills, but not big ones. I may have to try that some dry summer day when I won't get a steam explosion blowing the hot metal out of the hole.:bounce:
 
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Thanks, Rian (Grizz) for taking the time to post, and for all the kind words. I very much appreciate your vivit!!

It looks like a good time was had by all. Thanks for sharing, it's really cool.

It was great fun:bounce:

Thanks for taking the time to post the pics and the comments! Looks like a good place to go on a "vacation".

I call it a "staycation". But i'm pretty happy here.

I've gotten way behind posting so I'll try a little but am out of time this morning, already.
 

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So here the deal, Andy. I say you start up a working B&B. For the going rate in your area, people can come stay at one of your places and then come over and work on which ever project the two of you decide. I'll be the first and I'm game for the COE or a 20's Famall. Just let me know when you're going to start taking reservations.
 

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The caboose could be the start of a nice B&B.

Looks like a great visit for all. I’m glad there was a video of the coke machine. Andy did you supply the certified Florida safety footwear or did they sneak down to Florida and not tells us?


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More hammer action

As I clean up my shop I continue to find duplicate tools--like this razor scraper. So far about a dozen have turned up. In this one the blade was slightly rusted in place and removal was dicey. So I clamped the blade edge in my vise and tapped the fragile tool with my Andyluminum hammer. Success! Blade removed and tool saved.
 

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Andy: I think your lovely bride is where you get a lot of your inspiration to do what you do so a BIG SHOUT OUT to her and more prayers sent.

she probably had this a bit harsh or maybe it WAS TRUE and you've softened up a bit.

My wife has always said "Andy is just as nice as he can be, he just can't be very nice". She knows me best.

in any case all your sharing of your information and all the cool gifts you are sending around the world needs a SHOUT OUT TOO.

enjoy your REST DAY and not sure you truly know what that means.

cheers
 

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ANDY MARTIN

THE MAN

THE LEGEND.

ON THE LICENSED, INSURED, AWARD WINNING AND GREAT SHOW TRUCK.



There fixed it for you.
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The caboose could be the start of a nice B&B.

Looks like a great visit for all. I’m glad there was a video of the coke machine. Andy did you supply the certified Florida safety footwear or did they sneak down to Florida and not tells us?


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When I was preparing to move the caboose home Santa Fe was courteous enough to go inspect it for road worthiness. They passed it and would have moved it to the Terlton siding however the house movers wanted the same price whether they moved it two miles or 42 miles. The cost is all in rigging it up for transport and they moved it at 50 mph. After it was safely here I realized I could have set it up as a self-contained motor home. Then it could have been rented out as a private car to take trips through the Rockies by rail. I think it would have been a money maker.

Bed and Breakfast implies breakfast:wtf:

The CFSF was disturbing to me but they worked surprisingly well.

It's true. Just look up the Florida statute. Flip flops qualify as boots.

I'm a believer. I have other mental issues as well.

More hammer action

As I clean up my shop I continue to find duplicate tools--like this razor scraper. So far about a dozen have turned up. In this one the blade was slightly rusted in place and removal was dicey. So I clamped the blade edge in my vise and tapped the fragile tool with my Andyluminum hammer. Success! Blade removed and tool saved.

So cool. I love seeing my hammers used, it helps with sales. Now if only i had help with production...

Andy: I think your lovely bride is where you get a lot of your inspiration to do what you do so a BIG SHOUT OUT to her and more prayers sent.

she probably had this a bit harsh or maybe it WAS TRUE and you've softened up a bit.

My wife has always said "Andy is just as nice as he can be, he just can't be very nice". She knows me best.

in any case all your sharing of your information and all the cool gifts you are sending around the world needs a SHOUT OUT TOO.

enjoy your REST DAY and not sure you truly know what that means.

cheers

She does not have a harsh bone in her body. I've related the meanest I've seen her. We had duck and they were visiting our sidewalk and leaving their calling cards. She took the hose and said in her harshest sweet little voice "shoo, shoo" while spraying them with the hose. They thought it was a bath so they raised their wings and turned.

She said it to be funny, and it still is.

I know what rest means: take the time to do the things you enjoy!

Thanks for the visits!!
 
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ANDY MARTIN

THE MAN

THE LEGEND.

ON THE LICENSED, INSURED, AWARD WINNING AND GREAT SHOW TRUCK.



There fixed it for you.
:bowdown:

:lol_hitti:lol_hitti:lol_hitti

First place trophy given to the Show Truck.

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You know, the legend is the box on a chart telling you what the lines mean. It really doesn't do anything but inform you.

Just so much talk. Hot air.




I think I understand now...
 

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While the boys were here they unloaded some of their stuff.

Union Jack, now I have to pay my tea tax.

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And after they met me and watched me work, they thought it appropriate to give me a Snail Brand wrench as well as a King ****.

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Not sure if I'm flattered or insulted but no matter, I'm dense and wouldn't get it anyway. I love the wrenches.

Then they gave me two new pair of work gloves. These are so nice I need to keep them for special occasions.

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What a great visit!

Thanks for the gifts, guys!
 

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I finally got all the stuff off the front of the car and ready to hook up the hoist.

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Here it comes!

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It came out pretty easy. Considering my skill level.:bounce:

Safely out.

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But I did dump most of the transmission fluid on the way out.

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Who knew to drain the transmission first? Oh yeah, me. It's been a long time.

And look at these fancy motor mounts.

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They have worked, but I see a modification. Maybe some paint.
 

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AG BREAK!!

I've had the seven calves penned during weaning and feeding them cubes and hay. They've quit crying now so I turned them out into a 1/4 acre catch pen in front of the barn. I have a gold fish in the stock tank (they eat mosquito larvae) but I thought maybe he was gone, I haven't seen him in a year.

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But there he is. I started with four but he ate the other three. I guess he's happy alone. He's been there four or five years.

Cali greeted the calves. She wanted to make friends.

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But they chased her. That's a good thing. She cannot live here if she chases cattle.

They like the green grass.

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If they have been on hay too long the green grass will give them the runs. We'll see.

Here's the little patch.

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Ag break over.
 

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The purplish car has sat for almost a year while I was busy doing anything else I could think of. While it started up just fine, I pulled the intake manifold to replace the gaskets. The bolts were not tight. It is pretty clean inside.

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But there was rust on the rockers.

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Anybody recognize the name? It says something Cams, maybe Comp.

Lot's of rust

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I took one off and wire brushed the rocker and push rod. No rust or pitting in the contact areas so I think they're good to use.

I used my new borescope to look in the spark plug holes and the cylinder bores look real good. I can still see the honing marks. Going to pull the pan to clean it out and check one rod bearing but I think the engine is OK.
 

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Your right, its Comp Cams. Short for Competition Cams. Roller tipped rockers, on a full roller rocker the trunion has needle bearings also, and typically made of extruded aluminum, but also stainless are out there. Just FYI, in case you find some the bearings are junk, you can melt them, if you dont want to rebuild them.
Good Luck with your purplish project!
 

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You had me worried Andy - I figured that now that I got caught up, you were just going to quit. Good thing I was wrong.

When you read 2+ yrs of posts in 2 weeks, it doesn't seem like the purple car has been sitting that long if that makes you feel any better.
 
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Your right, its Comp Cams. Short for Competition Cams. Roller tipped rockers, on a full roller rocker the trunion has needle bearings also, and typically made of extruded aluminum, but also stainless are out there. Just FYI, in case you find some the bearings are junk, you can melt them, if you dont want to rebuild them.
Good Luck with your purplish project!

It makes me think it has a decent cam in it too. I'll have to check the paperwork I got with it. It does run strong but has the 462624 heads so it's good with regular gas. These rockers have the ball on the post, no bearings.

You had me worried Andy - I figured that now that I got caught up, you were just going to quit. Good thing I was wrong.

When you read 2+ yrs of posts in 2 weeks, it doesn't seem like the purple car has been sitting that long if that makes you feel any better.

I'm slow, but a little steady. Grizz, on the other hand, is a ball of fire.

Nice 3/450LP Andy!

My dad just picked up a 460 LP - that'll be fun!

If you mean the green one (Forest Service green, I think) it's a 400 with old style wide front (tie rods in the front).
 

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Andy I don't believe the surface rust will be an issue, regular oil changes and long runs to burn off the condensate will be the order of the day.

It will be interesting to see what the bottom end is like.
 

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Those working gloves from Dennis have changed the way even I work.

Now they are indispensable to me.

Even my van, Prozac, has a permanent resident pair of them.
 
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Very cool!

Thanks, Vladimir!!

Andy I don't believe the surface rust will be an issue, regular oil changes and long runs to burn off the condensate will be the order of the day.

It will be interesting to see what the bottom end is like.

I appreciate your comment on the rust. Since some of it is loose and flaky I feel the need to brush it off while I can. Yes, it was my fault for letting the car set for so many months. I doubt it was rusty when my son delivered it.

The oil was very dirty. I only had it a short time and did not change the oil. My fault. Apparently neither did my son, but said he only drove it a thousand miles or so. We will not make that collective mistake again.

I like the cylinder walls

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Those working gloves from Dennis have changed the way even I work.

Now they are indispensable to me.

Even my van, Prozac, has a permanent resident pair of them.

I need to give you some proper work boots, apparently.:lol_hitti
 

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Andy,
Great to see the updates on everything ya'll were up to. I'm still kicking myself for not being able to make it. On another note have a close look at the springs, I reused a set that were slightly rusty. Over the next 1,000 miles I broke 7 of them, I should have replaced them all after the 2nd or 3rd but I'm just stubborn.

JB
 

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Andy,
...On another note have a close look at the springs, I reused a set that were slightly rusty. Over the next 1,000 miles I broke 7 of them, I should have replaced them all after the 2nd or 3rd but I'm just stubborn.

JB
Andy, JB is right. The small block in my 87 Corvette puffed a cloud of blue smoke on startup so I suspected valve seals. The 25-year-old exhaust seals were in pieces inside the springs. The "while it's apart" enabler that lives in my brain made me replace the springs along with the seals. No more smoke and it runs better than ever. The "you know what would be cool" enabler made me buy a set of 1.6 full roller rockers and tall aluminum valve covers before I finished the job -- do NOT listen to him.
 

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Pictures of an aluminum and a stainless roller rocker. Also a common way to keep the fluid from pouring out of the back of the transmission, an old driveshaft yoke stuck in there. Hope you can make out the old Walker transmission jack. All mechanical, but it goes up and down, tilts left and right and also front to rear. It’s right handy when you’re laying on your back and trying to get the transmission back in with the motor installed. It’s better the way you’re doing it, both at the same time, but it’s not always that way. Good luck.
 

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Andy,
Great to see the updates on everything ya'll were up to. I'm still kicking myself for not being able to make it. On another note have a close look at the springs, I reused a set that were slightly rusty. Over the next 1,000 miles I broke 7 of them, I should have replaced them all after the 2nd or 3rd but I'm just stubborn.

JB

I understand pitted springs, thanks for the reminder, I had forgotten to look. When I did look I only found one with light rust, no pitting. So it's staying in.:shocking:

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Andy, JB is right. The small block in my 87 Corvette puffed a cloud of blue smoke on startup so I suspected valve seals. The 25-year-old exhaust seals were in pieces inside the springs. The "while it's apart" enabler that lives in my brain made me replace the springs along with the seals. No more smoke and it runs better than ever. The "you know what would be cool" enabler made me buy a set of 1.6 full roller rockers and tall aluminum valve covers before I finished the job -- do NOT listen to him.

Thank goodness you got all of the "while it's apart" and "you know what would be cool" genes from mom and dad. I saw a little rust on some of the rockers.

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But it was not down to the working surfaces, just at the top where oil had drained and condensation set in.

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They are all brushed, cleaned, and back in place with the valves cold adjusted.

Pictures of an aluminum and a stainless roller rocker. Also a common way to keep the fluid from pouring out of the back of the transmission, an old driveshaft yoke stuck in there. Hope you can make out the old Walker transmission jack. All mechanical, but it goes up and down, tilts left and right and also front to rear. It’s right handy when you’re laying on your back and trying to get the transmission back in with the motor installed. It’s better the way you’re doing it, both at the same time, but it’s not always that way. Good luck.

I passed on one of those jacks at the last auction. It went for $150 which was respectable. I have a hydraulic one I have never used. I'll need it one day, but this job I need to work on the frame.

I had heard of putting a yoke in, but I forgot. Too many years since I've pulled a transmission. I could also have drained it and usually do that anyway to check for metal in the pan before I pull a transmission.

Thanks for the reminder.

My bad - it is mistakenly painted like a 350/450 (white& red)

Now, which tractor did you see? Maybe the M I have someone put white paint on the grill.

Andy, if you don't happen to have an extra yoke laying around. haha I picked up a half dozen of each of these and they work well:
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JB

I've got lots of yolks, but they're still in eggs...

May have to buy that kit. Thanks!
 

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