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dondb

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i'm running 10/2 for a possible window a/c. It's probably a 60 foot pull, i had to go through a joist and the wire covering was ripped, no damage to the internal wires. Can i just pull the covering back together and tape it with electrical tape or something else someone can recommend?? Or do i have to put a junction box there???
 
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Norcal

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This is from another forum.

Sometimes, when you're installing Romex (NM cable), the jacket can get snagged and torn open a tiny bit. The inside conductor insulation is not damaged by any means. What do you do? Scrap that piece and run another? Tape the snag up? Just leave it alone? See what Gill Moniz of NEMA and Dave Mercier of SouthWire Corporation had to say about it during an IAEI meeting:


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When Gil visited us previously, he made a splash by noting that the transparent nylon covering THHN/THWN, while arguably making them **** compared to THW, is not required to maintain the conductor's dielectric properties. Therefore, if in the course of installation the nylon suffers the odd nick, or unsightly run, or even is scraped off, the conductor is fine so long as the insulation underneath remains intact. Learning this much, we had to have Dave over for more of the story.

Unless conductors are exposed to gasoline or oil, or submerged for an extended period we're talking many months--the nylon covering offers strictly a mechanical protection, Dave explained, with the underlying PVC supplying the dielectric properties as Gil had told us. The nylon actually is stripped away for the UL acceptance test. Therefore, if the nylon is scraped off, but the plastic underneath is intact, an appropriate response usually is "Good; it's done its job," and a green tag.

It's not just the nylon covering on THHN/THWN, we learned, but the sheaths on cable assemblies also often are optional. A cable installer nicked the sheath of a nonmetallic cable installed in a dry indoor location, and responded in a curious way: he turned the cable so the nick faced toward the wall. Not a bad response, Dave opined (while not wholeheartedly endorsing); this way, people glancing at it in passing wouldn't be unnecessarily concerned.
You may detect from this that Dave is quite an engaging speaker; moreover he's one with 19 years' product and Code experience under his belt to give plenty of clout to the information.

Damage is not necessarily limited solely to cable sheaths, of course. If a cable appears damaged, Dave recommends cutting a window in the sheath so you can examine the conductor insulation beneath. If that's good, you can "reinstall the window."

What should you do when you do want to, or need to, repair a cable sheath? Vinyl tape does just fine, Dave said, except in a wet location, and self-sealing mastic tape does even better. Best is a layer of self-fusing tape covered by a layer of vinyl. It even can be used outdoors on UF or SE cable, so long as it is not buried. For that, you need the sealing coverings that come with a Listed underground splice kit.
Art asked whether NM or SE cable repaired in this way still meets the UL standard. Dave commented that it is tough to say. There needs to be a dialogue between the manufacturer, AHJ, and installer. A qualified installer of repair materials should be able to make a repair acceptable to the AHJ, and Southwire's warranty will remain in effect. "Qualified?" Jim Wooten asked. "Someone who has received certified training in using the material, either in an apprenticeship class, or continuing education such as is offered by tape manufacturers." Even damaged Medium Voltage cable remains warrantied, so long as the shielded jacket, which is there for mechanical protection like that of MC, is fixed using a Listed repair kit installed by a qualified person.

We hope to co-sponsor such a class with 3M or Raychem or some such organization.
 

porschedude996TT

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I don't think you can repair a damaged outer cable, but nothing says you can't run the cable thru a junction box at the torn outer covering. Don't even cut the wires. You may need to ground it to make it to code.
 

Charles (in GA)

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Use a good quality tape as mentioned in the article above and move forward.

Only issue is if it is to be inspected, then you may want to consult the inspector first, he might allow taping it if he sees no damage to the conductors themselves.

Charles
 
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5mall5nail5

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If you are having it inspected I'd leave it open and repair it as the inspector requires. If you're not having it inspected, cut a window in the insulation to confirm its truly just the outer jacket that's compromised and then tape it up.
 
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dondb

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Thanks for all the responses.....i'll take the advice and wait for inspection and repair it to his satisfaction:thumbup:
 

Fishplate

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I nicked my 10/2 for my compressor 10' from the end of the run. Through the sheath and through the black insulation. Didn't hurt the wire, but...

As much as it hurt my wallet, I bought a new piece and swapped it out. I plan to use the (now shorter) piece to add another outlet for the welder, so it isn't completely wasted.

I plan to learn from this, and the hurt on the wallet reinforces the lesson.
 

Aceman

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Just tape it up if the conductors inside aren't damaged. It's standard procedure. There isn't any reason to show the inspector, he's got bigger things to worry about.
 
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