Columbian vise with odd u in name

[Nmhuntr]

I have a 204-1/2 M2 with the “u” raised up and not uniform font. Any idea why these are this way? I have seen a few in pics but don’t know why. Thanks

 

[akasrick]

I have a 204-1/2 M2 with the “u” raised up and not uniform font. Any idea why these are this way? I have seen a few in pics but don’t know why. Thanks

If you follow the link it will take you to the trademark info.
Why it's classified in those catorgies I have no clue other than someone thinking they'll never find this one.
U info

akasrick

 

[1982fxr]

Can you post a pic?

 

[akasrick]

Can you post a pic?

akasrick

 

[Nmhuntr]

Here is a pic

 

[exmaxima1]

Yep, it is intentional as it is like that on numerous Columbian vises

 

[1982fxr]

It was just the logo. That's all.

 

[Fierljeppen]

The earliest ad I could find with that particular style logo showed up in 1919. It replaced the older "triangle C" logo.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

The earliest ad I could find with that particular style logo showed up in 1918.

What's interesting about that is that the Columbian Vise & Manufacturing Co. TM application, filed on June 22, 1954, granted May 3, 1955, claimed first use on July 7, 1952. Methinks that means first use explicitly for levels. They did make levels in the 50's and 60's. Oddly, there is no history of its use as a trademark on other goods, i.e., vises, in the TM record at the USPTO. The other aspect in play here is the name of the business entity. Columbia Hardware Co. may have registered that TM for vises earlier than 1927.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Columbian Hardware Co. may have registered that TM for vises earlier than 1927.

That is exactly the case. I already found it.

This is the TM record that vintage Columbian vise collectors want to reference, not the other one, which was, as I hunched, to extend it to levels.

Note that it was registered by Columbian Hardware in 1926 and renewed by Columbian Vise & Mfg in 1946, when the name changed.

The coolest factoid is the extensive and prideful first use note, which claims "since as early as the year 1890."

 

[akasrick]

That is exactly the case. I already found it.

This is the TM record that vintage Columbian vise collectors want to reference, not the other one, which was, as I hunched, to extend it to levels.

Note that it was registered by Columbian Hardware in 1926 and renewed by Columbian Vise & Mfg in 1946, when the name changed.

The coolest factoid is the extensive and prideful first use note, which claims "since as early as the year 1890."


Fierjeppen:
The earliest ad I could find with that particular style logo showed up in 1918. It replaced the older "triangle C" logo.

akasrick wrote,
Why it's classified in those catorgies I have no clue other than someone thinking they'll never find this one.
Lol whoops

akasrick

 

[TheRealZeus]

Intrinsic identifiers are rad, Man.

 

[akasrick]

Intrinsic identifiers are rad, Man.

akasrick

 

[TheRealZeus]

I’ll call.. Columbian no name at all. 3s. over 6.

 

[Fierljeppen]

That is exactly the case. I already found it.

This is the TM record that vintage Columbian vise collectors want to reference, not the other one, which was, as I hunched, to extend it to levels.

Note that it was registered by Columbian Hardware in 1926 and renewed by Columbian Vise & Mfg in 1946, when the name changed.

The coolest factoid is the extensive and prideful first use note, which claims "since as early as the year 1890."

Very interesting, I've added that document to my notes...thanks!

I'm not sure how the Columbian Hardware Co. could have used the trademark in 1890, since they weren't organized until 1901?

I went back and looked at my Columbian Hardware database to see if the trademark showed up in any pre-1919 advertisements, which it did not. It shows up in all of the "Sledge-Tested" advertisements, which started in 1919, however, it wasn't until 1960, when the trademark started showing up on the castings of the new "M2" machinist vises. This continued, even after Wilton acquired them in the 1990's and until the Columbian vise line was discontinued around 2015.

For the record, the Columbian Hardware Co. changed their name to the Columbian Vise & Mfg. Co. in the Spring of 1926.

 

[TheRealZeus]

Beyond definitive documentation of facts. That is pretty cool! thanks for sharing.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I'm not sure how the Columbian Hardware Co. could have used the trademark in 1890, since they weren't organized until 1901?

I think it's a reference to a predecessor. Did you read the whole thing? I only quoted the first part. It reminds me of an SAT question. Seriously.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

It reminds me of an SAT question. Seriously.

This is the part that may need some interdisciplinary calculus...

"...in actual use as a trade-mark by the applicant (and applicant's predecessors from who title was derived) for ten years next preceding February 25, 1905."

 

[Fierljeppen]

I think it's a reference to a predecessor. Did you read the whole thing? I only quoted the first part. It reminds me of an SAT question. Seriously.

I did read the whole thing and downloaded the most current trade-mark information available. I found the latest from the Warren Tool Co. and JPW Industries, which owns Wilton.



Their predecessor was the Van Wagoner & Williams Hardware Co. So I'm confused how they would have used the trade-mark as illustrated.



Either way, it was fun research and good Columbian vise education for myself. The JPW Industries document gave me better insight when Wilton acquired the Warren Tool Co. and the Columbian line of vises.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Maybe as a brand, and the 1890/1892 is mushy? Either way, I'm still trying figure out the math in that stilted English.

 

[akasrick]

I have a 204-1/2 M2 with the “u” raised up and not uniform font. Any idea why these are this way? I have seen a few in pics but don’t know why. Thanks

After reading the hours of research your question generated. This little brain comes to the "conclusion" that the ununiform font that I think I'm seeing also is actually a representation of the companys beginnings, a horseshoe "u" between a vise "LM", not obvious in this age but maybe back then.
Then they wanted to make levels. - _

akasrick

 

[TheRealZeus]

Maybe a case of Apophenia… but I do like that idea.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Either way, I'm still trying figure out the math in that stilted English.

I've decided on this...

..in actual use as a trade-mark by the applicant (and applicant's predecessors from who title was derived) for ten years next preceding February 25, 1905."

...being 1895.

 

[akasrick]

^^
Then there is another thought line where...middle management gives the job of registering a TM the Co. already owns to the office lady, she somehow ducks it into textiles and senior management is none the wiser till the Co. sells.

All fantasy here.

akasrick

 

[TheRealZeus]