Comparing ceiling fans?

[tom-ky]

Wanted to get a couple fans put up to help pull some heat down. I thought about one with a remote just so that I can do less wiring. Looked at these too fans and the is a large difference in their rated CFM of air movement. I wonder if the Canarm is not realistically rated. What would you choose?

Just comparing these 2:
https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200436482_200436482

https://www.menards.com/main/lighti...65-c-7487.htm?tid=-8176540137210810643&ipos=5

 

[Kaizen]

I have hunter in the house and all are whisper quiet ten years later. But I do not run them to circulate the heat unless I have the pellet stove running. Even on reverse the increased air movement makes me feel colder


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[yeldogt]

For heat -- you don't need a huge about of air movement. You just want to get things moving -- I still find that keeping the fan down works best vs the conventional theory to go up.

I have many rooms with very high ceilings. The thing nice about the old school Hunter originals -- is the pitch of the blades ..... the 52" moves a lot of air on low and medium without blowing. Lots of fans need the thing spinning like a prop because the pitch of the blade is shallow (the motors are not as strong) -- slower is better.

My guess would be the winglets -- as long as it can spin slow.

 

[Bert_]

I have installed the canarms. They (and any other industrial fan) will move a ton of air it you run them full blast. Normally you would put a variable speed fan control on the wall. Most are infinitely variable from high to barely running.

Wiring is easy. I hate remotes for stuff like this. All it takes is #14 to run even several fans. A fan control on the wall is simple, it just works.

 

[bullnerd]

I like the looks of that canarm fan, but I cant find anywhere if it comes with a controller or not?

Im looking for a couple fans also.

 

[Bert_]

You buy the controller separate. The variable speed controllers are rated in amps, you have to get one big enough for the number of fans you are controlling.

 

[bullnerd]

You buy the controller separate. The variable speed controllers are rated in amps, you have to get one big enough for the number of fans you are controlling.

Makes sense, thanks Bert.

 

[tom-ky]

I have installed the canarms. They (and any other industrial fan) will move a ton of air it you run them full blast. Normally you would put a variable speed fan control on the wall. Most are infinitely variable from high to barely running.

Wiring is easy. I hate remotes for stuff like this. All it takes is #14 to run even several fans. A fan control on the wall is simple, it just works.

I looked at the controller at Northern Tool. If I put up 2 fans they would both have to run the same speed and at the same time unless I put a switch in between them, correct?

I guess I could just have both running real low.

 

[Bert_]

I looked at the controller at Northern Tool. If I put up 2 fans they would both have to run the same speed and at the same time unless I put a switch in between them, correct?

I guess I could just have both running real low.

I guess you could do separate control, no real need though. Most of the variable speed controls can be set so that the fans are barely even turning on low. Like 20 or 30 rpm.

 

[Blazinzuk]

I bought 2 of these
Westinghouse 7812700 Industrial 56-Inch Three Indoor White Steel Blades Ceiling Fan https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000LNV7IA/?tag=atomicindus08-20

My shop is 1200 square feet. They do pretty decent. On high they really kick out some wind. Like can't keep a cheap lighter lit anywhere out in the open.

Also used this as a controller as the factory controller only controlled one fan

KBWC-16K (H9001) Wall Mount AC Fan Motor Control https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007YA2YLC/?tag=atomicindus08-20.
The fans make some noise that you can hear if I don't have any other noise going on. Not loud or annoying just a hum

 

[yeldogt]

How big is the space ? I have two in my 32x50 space -- separate controls.

 

[tom-ky]

I bought 2 of these
Westinghouse 7812700 Industrial 56-Inch Three Indoor White Steel Blades Ceiling Fan https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000LNV7IA/?tag=atomicindus08-20

My shop is 1200 square feet. They do pretty decent. On high they really kick out some wind. Like can't keep a cheap lighter lit anywhere out in the open.

Also used this as a controller as the factory controller only controlled one fan

KBWC-16K (H9001) Wall Mount AC Fan Motor Control https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007YA2YLC/?tag=atomicindus08-20.
The fans make some noise that you can hear if I don't have any other noise going on. Not loud or annoying just a hum

Good price on the fans, wish they were reversible.

 

[tom-ky]

How big is the space ? I have two in my 32x50 space -- separate controls.

30x40 with 12 foot ceilings.

 

[DpSyChO]

Home Depot has the Westinghouse linked above (or very close). Some stores also carry a Hampton Bay 60" for under $ 100.
https://www.homedepot.com/b/Lightin...CNI-5&storeSelection=8493,3627,3605,3661,3651
Ive got two of those in a 30x44 with 12' ceilings and satisfied with them.

Edit: Im happy with the actual fans but not fond of the included speed control. Reason being is to me it is "backwards". The fan/controller has four speeds. It is a slide controller where all way down is off, next notch up is speed 4, the fastest it will go then all the way up is speed 1, the slowest setting. In other words you have to go through the faster speeds to get to the slowest. There is a minor delay that I assume is from electronic controller so it doesnt speed up real fast only to slow down. To me all way down should be off, next notch up speed 1 (slowest) and all way up would be speed 4 (fastest).

 

[tom-ky]

I guess you could do separate control, no real need though. Most of the variable speed controls can be set so that the fans are barely even turning on low. Like 20 or 30 rpm.

If you hook 2 fans to one control, how are you wiring? It looks like you need a 4 conductor wire. Can you run to one fan and then jumper in that box on to the second or do you have to run separate wires to each fan from the control?

 

[Bert_]

If you hook 2 fans to one control, how are you wiring? It looks like you need a 4 conductor wire. Can you run to one fan and then jumper in that box on to the second or do you have to run separate wires to each fan from the control?

Some fans can be reversed. I've only wired them that way in one shop. It's just doesn't make much difference. I run a two conductors only.

Can be daisy chained.

 

[Bert_]

Home Depot has the Westinghouse linked above (or very close). Some stores also carry a Hampton Bay 60" for under $ 100.
https://www.homedepot.com/b/Lightin...CNI-5&storeSelection=8493,3627,3605,3661,3651
Ive got two of those in a 30x44 with 12' ceilings and satisfied with them.

Edit: Im happy with the actual fans but not fond of the included speed control. Reason being is to me it is "backwards". The fan/controller has four speeds. It is a slide controller where all way down is off, next notch up is speed 4, the fastest it will go then all the way up is speed 1, the slowest setting. In other words you have to go through the faster speeds to get to the slowest. There is a minor delay that I assume is from electronic controller so it doesnt speed up real fast only to slow down. To me all way down should be off, next notch up speed 1 (slowest) and all way up would be speed 4 (fastest).

Almost all fan controls are designed that way. If you could go straight to low the fan might stall and burn the motor. Starting at high makes sure the fan gets spinning.

Most variable speed controls also have a minimum speed adjustment under the plate. It is to make sure the fans don't stall when set all the way down.

 

[Blazinzuk]

I did a lot of research in reversible fans. Because it was a concern for me.

My fans at their lowest setting are mixing the air well enough that the temp is slightly warmer at my ceiling. Maybe a couple degrees.

From what I have read moving air is more important than the direction of flow. And in the short time I have had my shop that is proving to be true.

They are moving enough air I turn em up to half speed when there is water in the shop ( snow that is melting) and they dry the water very well.

I bought the cheapest because it's what my budget dictated. But they are doing exactly what I wanted them to do.

On the highest set it's breezy in my shop.

 

[Jaguar Fan]

In addition to CFM, consider length of the blades and the "cone" of air turbulence the fan generates. Indoors we had a high CFM fan, but a person felt little air movement unless you are within the narrow cone of turbulence essentially directly underneath the fan. We swapped it out to a unit with much longer blades - it actually had lower CFM but it now feels much better throughout the room.

 

[MFolks]

Another company to look at is www.bigassfans.com

 

[VeemanOH]

For the ceiling fans discussed above, some of them need to be installed at least 10' off of the floor.

I'm assuming the fans may be installed above or right near the same level as the lights to get the right height.

With how light LED fixtures are these days, any concerns with the fans making the lights sway if they're suspended on chains, etc.? Not an issue if the lights are hard mounted to the ceiling, but anyone have any feedback?

 

[Blazinzuk]

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You can see my fans that are dropped 12" from the ceiling are close to my lights. My lights are surface mounted on the ceiling. My fans do have a bit of light flutter but it's not a big deal. I have less than half of my lights up so I think more lighting will help.

So yes I have a bit of light flutter but it's barely noticeable

 

[nsula_country]

I vote these. Big, powerful, non reversible, quiet, moves about 11,000 cfm at full speed. I have 4 in a 40x60x17 with a 4/12 pitch roof. Using a 3 speed fan controller, they push heat down on lowest setting.

As a testament of reliability, We have 4 in our shop, 2 on the porches at our house, put 2 in friend's shop, put 2 in another friend's shop and he wants 1 more. 0 issues with them. I really like Emerson products, they are high quality.

https://www.amazon.com/Emerson-HF1160BS-Ceiling-60-Inch-Brushed/dp/B004NL0JDK?th=1

https://ceilingfans.emerson.com/en-us/shop/fan/fan-sku-hf1160bq

CT

 

[PT Doc]

Just an FYI. I bought a 72” 9 blade fan from Lowe’s. They had different ratings on a few of the boxes. One had over 10000 cfm and the other was about 5500. I called the manufacturer and they said the Slinger fans are no different and have had no changes made to the, and that they are forced to test differently and report according to accepted standards for energy use. Difficult to believe how they were testing before. Anyways.....

 

[Hands001]

Thoughts on DC motor, from what I understand to be brushless, powered ceiling fans? Expensive, but I sure love brushless motors in my power tools and they should run silent.

 

[bullnerd]

Any updates Tom?

 

[tom-ky]

Any updates Tom?

I ordered a couple of the Northern Tool fans. Just got them in and have to install them. Hope they are good.

 

[Pruittx2]

I picked up a Turn of the Century® Industrial 56" White Indoor Ceiling Fan
https://www.menards.com/main/lighti...mote-ceiling-fan/fn56010w/p-1444438412460.htm
For $25 off of FB market place. new in the box. It comes with a very cheap, 5 speed fan controller.
I think I would prefer this
https://www.northerntool.com/shop/t...lckSjk76TAafwN8F8yAG7PqcKdrtVIThoC1qMQAvD_BwE

I'm thinking It would get it down to a very slow speed with this type of switch.

 

[tom-ky]

I picked up a Turn of the Century® Industrial 56" White Indoor Ceiling Fan
https://www.menards.com/main/lighti...mote-ceiling-fan/fn56010w/p-1444438412460.htm
For $25 off of FB market place. new in the box. It comes with a very cheap, 5 speed fan controller.
I think I would prefer this
https://www.northerntool.com/shop/t...lckSjk76TAafwN8F8yAG7PqcKdrtVIThoC1qMQAvD_BwE

I'm thinking It would get it down to a very slow speed with this type of switch.

I looked at those but since they were not reversible I passed on them.

 

[bullnerd]

I ordered a couple of the Northern Tool fans. Just got them in and have to install them. Hope they are good.

That's cool, try to update us when you can.

I might buy the same ones.

 

[tom-ky]

That's cool, try to update us when you can.

I might buy the same ones.

I hung one today. I used one of the controllers so that I can reverse them. They seem to move a lot of air. I have not ran it much but it seems to be noisier that any fan I have been around. The manual does say to allow a 24 hour break-in period for noise. Still have one more to hang.

If you do get these you have to have 4 wires running to the fan from the control box to use the reversible feature.

 

[Chetter]

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You can see my fans that are dropped 12" from the ceiling are close to my lights. My lights are surface mounted on the ceiling. My fans do have a bit of light flutter but it's not a big deal. I have less than half of my lights up so I think more lighting will help.

So yes I have a bit of light flutter but it's barely noticeable

I have one fan like the ones you have that was given to me by a friend that was moving and he never installed it. I bought speed controller and I run it on low 24/7 during the winter months to keep the air moving since I keep my heater set at 46* to keep things from freezing. That fan does a great job and in the summer moves the air nicely when I speed it up.

 

[tom-ky]

I hung one today. I used one of the controllers so that I can reverse them. They seem to move a lot of air. I have not ran it much but it seems to be noisier that any fan I have been around. The manual does say to allow a 24 hour break-in period for noise. Still have one more to hang.

If you do get these you have to have 4 wires running to the fan from the control box to use the reversible feature.

Hung the second one over the weekend. Both fans seem to speed up and slow down at low to medium speeds unable to tell at high speed. Both are noisier than expected at the lowest setting. I wish I would have bought some Hunter damp rated fans.

 

[Bert_]

Hung the second one over the weekend. Both fans seem to speed up and slow down at low to medium speeds unable to tell at high speed. Both are noisier than expected at the lowest setting. I wish I would have bought some Hunter damp rated fans.

What kind of speed control did you use? I've put those fans up before and they have been nearly silent at low speeds.

 

[tom-ky]

What kind of speed control did you use? I've put those fans up before and they have been nearly silent at low speeds.

https://www.northerntool.com/shop/t...t&utm_source=AskAndAnswer&utm_content=Default

Did any of them seem to vary in speed? You can hear these speed up and down.

 

[Steve R]

I just put up 3 of the "Turn of the Century" 56 inch industrial fans from Menards. The price was right (49.99) and I didn't have to order them. They each came with a 5 speed controller in the box, which I only used one as all three were tied together. They have a metal blades, single speed,and are NOT reversible which really isn't needed as long as the air is moving. I had them on low and on high speeds, they stayed steady and did not have any wobble to them.

 

[bullnerd]

Hung the second one over the weekend. Both fans seem to speed up and slow down at low to medium speeds unable to tell at high speed. Both are noisier than expected at the lowest setting. I wish I would have bought some Hunter damp rated fans.

That *****. Thanks for the update.

I just put up 3 of the "Turn of the Century" 56 inch industrial fans from Menards. The price was right (49.99) and I didn't have to order them. They each came with a 5 speed controller in the box, which I only used one as all three were tied together. They have a metal blades, single speed,and are NOT reversible which really isn't needed as long as the air is moving. I had them on low and on high speeds, they stayed steady and did not have any wobble to them.

I like that price!

 

[tom-ky]

I just put up 3 of the "Turn of the Century" 56 inch industrial fans from Menards. The price was right (49.99) and I didn't have to order them. They each came with a 5 speed controller in the box, which I only used one as all three were tied together. They have a metal blades, single speed,and are NOT reversible which really isn't needed as long as the air is moving. I had them on low and on high speeds, they stayed steady and did not have any wobble to them.

I looked really hard at those but wanted reversible.

 

[nsula_country]

I looked really hard at those but wanted reversible.

Why do you need reversible? Just curious...

I personally only use them to push heat down. In the summer they are useless. It is like a convection oven!


CT

 

[rebelranger]

My .02...https://www.homedepot.com/p/Home-De...g-Fan-with-Remote-Control-YG491A-NI/305363989

Best price I could find for large fans. Im not a huge fan of wind speed but sought something for air movement.