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Composite Tile Floor - Solid versus 'Freeflow'

OrneryDuck

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Hello GJ faithful, I've been away for a long time, because life gets busy, so busy in fact I'm now six garages divided from the first one I started when I first joined GJ. In that original garage I had a PU-epoxy floor professionally installed and it performed wonderfully but did have a few challenges.

Issues with -good- epoxy flooring:
-My circa 1940's Walker Roll-A-Car jack, AKA 'Big Bertha', would sometimes mar the chips from rolling or more-so sliding if the wheel hung up for any reason. This is normal and why the chips are there, to hide blemishes, but a consideration that would magnify with time. (I never experienced any finish failure, peeling, or other such concerns over 3yrs, so despite the wear, the finish never failed or even wore through.)
-Dropping a fastener mid-repair may have well been a wrap on the day. It'd result in at best a 5 minute detour to differentiate the small bolt from the various chips and textures of the floor, and at worst a 2 hour derailing.
-The cost and impact of install was very high. It was several thousand to do a 900sq.ft. garage, and while worth it for the quality that resulted, it meant a few days where NOTHING could be in the garage or even venture into it until cured. This was not a worry when I did the first 'grown up' garage, as we had it coated before we moved in. Now in my newest home, we're a few months into living here and the garage is chock-o-block with stuff and no where to stash it for floor refinishing.

Solution:
Enter something I've been hesitant of for many years, composite (plastic) tile flooring, though GJ has done nothing but reinforce how good it is / can be. Initially I was considering the plastic as a stop gap, buy me 3yrs, then get the floors professionally epoxied, but looking at them and several long-term reviews, I'm more and more sold on just going plastic as the final fix.

The question is -- what plastic flooring should I use? The two that stand out to me are SupraTile and RaceDeck, which having narrowed down to these two brands, I'm already closer to a solution. Which style is best though, in context of my use-case and needs?

Requirements:
-Tolerant to cars parked for extended periods
-Tolerant to rolling floor jacks, jack stands, and eventually QuickJacks
-Impact resistant to dropped tools
-Reduce slip hazards
-Resistance to chemical damage from potential spills (coolant, brake fluid, oil, or brake cleaner)
-Ease of cleaning in the event of a fluid spill
-Ease of cleaning in the accumulation of metal or wood dust
-Ease of cleaning for natural accumulations (dust, sand, and leaves)
-Mitigation for mold and mildew
-Tolerant to a high heat and high humidity environment (Florida is often upwards of 70-100f* and 60-90% humidity)
-UV stable (Allowing for use even if the garage door is open for a few hours a day without damage)

Wants:
-Ability to wash a car in the garage
-Quiet (minimal clicking/settling/rattling while walking on floor)
-Improved standing (or kneeling) comfort over concrete
-Positive light reflection versus absorption (To give the feeling of more light)
-Color selection a plus (though targeting a mixture of: light gray, dark gray, and medium blue)
-Affordable (Targeting 50% reduction in cost over a professional epoxy installation)
-Self-installable (All variants appear to be self-install friendly)

I like the idea of free-flow tiles, but worry about long-term risks if used to its benefit of washing, rinsing, etc. I don't have floor drains, but the floor is graded toward the door. I know from a recent coolant spill, that means little as it stays put until mopped up. I don't want standing water causing mildew/mold or even worse a slow degradation of the concrete below. Given the humidity and heat considerations of Florida, is this a worry? What about solid tiles as an alternative?

Who has used SupraTile in their garage/shop? How do you like it after some time? Which finish did you go with (coin, etc)? If you did it over again, would you still go the same way?

RaceDeck's floor designer is fun, and I've already got a tentative design in mind based on their options. The design here was done using their standard 12" tiles and some simplification to my garage (The main area for the cars/bikes is ~22.5ft by 19ft, with a 3" rise to the front (house entry) that is the 22.5ft width of the garage and about 50" deep at the deepest point (wall extends in and out a bit to a minimum depth of 28" -- dead space due to walls illustrated in 'black tiles') Their XLC flooring looks even better, but is it worth the presumed price difference, or even needed?

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Thank you in advance for suffering my rambling and any advice you have to offer. :)
 
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OrneryDuck

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Here is an alternative design that better illustrates the 'walls' on the raised area and moves the blue outline in a bit to account for the distance from wall to the garage door opening, as I plan to do some shelves down the side(s)

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Based on what you're looking for, I'd go with a free flow tile since you're looking to wash the car in the garage. I have the solid tile. After getting samples from multiple companies I went with the "garagedeck" flooring from bigfloors.com. I do love the floor and how it turned out, but one of the drawbacks to the solid floor is moisture/fluids. The seams of the tile are somewhat tight but by no means watertight. Any fluid that leaks on the tile will leak through the seam and onto the floor below. But since there is a small gap in the seam the water should theoretically evaporate but it does take a while. The problem is if something spills on the tile that isnt water you'll probably want to lift up the tile to clean underneath. And removing the tiles is not easy. The first one will likely break if you're trying to pull up a tile from the middle of the garage.
So if I'm doing any work where I expect to be making a mess, I put plastic down on the floor first.
Regarding jacks and jackstands, I've heard a few people say that jackstands dont cause any damage if you're using the kind that have flat "feet" on them. I have pre-cut pieces of plywood that I put down under jackstands as well as my jack.

Below is a link to a review that I wrote up about the floor (after doing way too much research(
 

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Oh, and one more thing, I don't care what anyone says, the floor is plastic and it will expand in heat/direct sunlight. I left a good inch around the perimeter of the garage to allow for expansion but the tiles will still lift up/buckle if I have the garage door open for more than 30-45 minutes on a hot day. Not a big deal, but something to keep in mind.
 

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I've had Racedeck solid tile in my 1600sf home shop for 13 years. I used landscape fabric underneath it to eliminate clicking when you walk, and I'm glad I did. It's comfortable to kneel and lie on when working under vehicles. If you spill quickly evaporating fluids (organic solvents, water) on the floor you can generally just wipe them up and any that seeps through won't cause a problem. If you spill pre-mixed gas on the floor, the gas will evaporate and then the oil will cause the tile to buckle and curl. I've replaced tiles about a dozen times when this has occurred (buy extra, btw, because you'll need them!). Don't ignore the instructions to leave 1/2-3/4 of an inch at all edges to allow for heat expansion, as was mentioned above.

One of our garages at the car track had free flow tiles, and within 2-3 days of taking possession of that space, I was cussing that **** loudly. First, you will not be able to kneel on the surface without some type of pad. Lying is almost as bad on your shoulder blades. Second, if you drop a small bolt/washer/nut, and it's not magnetic, have fun getting it out of the tile. Finally, while fluids do go into the cracks in the tile, unless it's water, and in a lower humidity climate, it's going to take hours-days to evaporate. And wiping an oil/brake fluid spill only gets it off of the top surface....it'll still collect dust along the edges of the tile piece that you can't get your rag to.

I cannot even fathom washing a car on the surface, without floor drains, and that's considering I live in Tucson, where humidity (other than monsoon) is about 8-10%. Higher humidity climates? Nope.

A few months after getting that garage space with the free flow tiles, I traded (up) to a garage with epoxy. It's older and has considerable wear, but is way easier to work on, for reasons related to my comments above.

Finally, as I'm remodeling a big chunk of my home shop space, I've put down porcelain in the main work bay, and will doing polyurea on the balance of the space that will used primarily for vehicle storage.
 

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500 sf of RaceDeck Free Flow in my garage for almost 7 years. Not a true working garage but I did remove and re-install the motor in my Mustang. Light things like oil changes also. I park the Mustang in the center of the garage for washing to minimize splashing the walls. Love the Free Flow for washing and all of the winter ice, snow, slush and whatever else she drags in with her daily driver just drains through and under the tiles to the overhead door. No issues with floor jacks, engine hoist, engine stand or jack stands as long as the leg bottoms are not sharp. No complaints. And no clicking. I did not put anything under the tiles either. I was concerned that an underlayment might trap dirt. Good luck. CJDave.
 

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I have spent about 10 years debating RaceDeck or even something like Supratile in two separate garages. I'm close to doing something and a bit OCD so I have been experimenting with two 3' x 6' sections of RaceDeck diamond, coin and TuffShield mixed with TrueLock Diamond and HDXT. One is all freeflow and one is a mix of coin and diamond. I also have 4 Supratiles. I have been experimenting on a pitched piece of concrete that I'm getting rid of next to my house and in my garage. The Supratile is the quietest, less liguid gets through the joints and is the most comfortable to walk on. A few negatives. If you like hidden joints then it is at least 25% more expensive than RaceDeck. It does not sweep nearly as easily and certain chemicals can stain it. Also the hot tire pickup is real and I only had motorcycle tires on it. Bright colors would not do well with tires. Now the freeflow. If you are just washing or parking cars then it works fine. For most other uses I find too many negatives. Any oil or other fluids you spill will go straight through the freeflow and is not going to just magically flow out the door. You would not want oil to do so anyway. You are either going to have to pop tiles or use a wet vac. The you still have to deal with the oil on the tiles. Regarding water, some will drain out but most actually evaporates and a lot of crud is left behind which will need vacuuming or tile removal to sweep. Anything with small metal wheels like floor jacks, low shop stools, creepers and motorcycle jacks/lifts are just ok at rolling . They vibrate quite a bit over the grooves. They are way less prone to the expansion lift when they get hot. They are not comfortable to kneel or lay on. The solid tiles are far more comfortable to kneel or lay on, things roll easier and spilled liquids clean up easier. The extreme coin HDXT is much easier to roll across than any other pattern but more difficult to clean. The actual RaceDeck tiles have much tighter seams than the Truelock tiles so no liquid gets through if you do a quick cleanup. I determined the cleanup ease by the following method. I had a small spill of oil that I cleaned up with drysweep. I then dumped it on top of all the tiles and left it like that for a week while purposely walking on it and rubbing it in a bit with my shoes. The one TuffShield tile had a bunch of small noticeable scratches but was still glossy. After all this I am going to go with RaceDeck diamond as my main tile with freeflow around the perimeter to help ease my expansion concerns.

James
 

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Oh, and one more thing, I don't care what anyone says, the floor is plastic and it will expand in heat/direct sunlight. I left a good inch around the perimeter of the garage to allow for expansion but the tiles will still lift up/buckle if I have the garage door open for more than 30-45 minutes on a hot day. Not a big deal, but something to keep in mind.
Wow, really? I left 1/4" all the way around on my garage floor and I've never had that problem. I'm using RaceDeck Free Flow tiles, so maybe they don't expand as much as solid plastic tiles.
 

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White Shadow, I agree completely. I see no expansion or contraction with my Free Flow tiles. My black edge pieces at the overhead door opening will sometimes buckle up in one spot only. Possibly "garagedeck" is prone to this more so than RaceDeck. Dave R.
 
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I used the 18" Freeflow for the first few rows then 18" solid Racedeck for the rest. No buckle with the Freeflow at the garage door even with full sun hitting it. I went with the 18" tile because it took less tile and had less seams. When I did damage a tile they were easy to replace. It took less then a day to install and done. You can see them in my avatar thingy.
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Wow, really? I left 1/4" all the way around on my garage floor and I've never had that problem. I'm using RaceDeck Free Flow tiles, so maybe they don't expand as much as solid plastic tiles.
Yeah, could be that the racedeck products don't expand as much. I'm assuming they're higher quality. I didn't look at racedeck because of the cost. I also put the landscape fabric underneath but I think that might be making the issue worse. I wonder if the little plastic "feet" under the tile are getting hung up on the fabric rather than sliding across the surface of the concrete floor.
It doesn't really bother me. Only happens on hot days when the door is open for a while. And only happens by the door opening. I can usually just slide my feet across it to smooth it out
 

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Yeah, could be that the racedeck products don't expand as much. I'm assuming they're higher quality. I didn't look at racedeck because of the cost. I also put the landscape fabric underneath but I think that might be making the issue worse. I wonder if the little plastic "feet" under the tile are getting hung up on the fabric rather than sliding across the surface of the concrete floor.
It doesn't really bother me. Only happens on hot days when the door is open for a while. And only happens by the door opening. I can usually just slide my feet across it to smooth it out
I did quite a bit of research before I bought mine and it all seems to buckle in the door opening when exposed to sun across all the brands. I did read where a lot of people would use the free flow tiles the first few rows and it eliminated the issue. I think the free flow with the open construction doesn't absorb the heat as much and therefore does not buckle.
 

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Many professional detailers are using the flow-through product. Keeps your walking surface dry and clean. If your floor has never been sealed or painted I would throw something cheap down just to keep chemicals from soaking in. Solid tiles will pose an issue for your application because they will be hard to clean under
 

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White Shadow, I agree completely. I see no expansion or contraction with my Free Flow tiles. My black edge pieces at the overhead door opening will sometimes buckle up in one spot only. Possibly "garagedeck" is prone to this more so than RaceDeck. Dave R.
Garage Deck ribbed and RaceDeck Freeflow are the exact same tile made by the same company - Snaplock Industries. The other Garage Deck tiles are also made by them and have the same understructure as the ribbed and RaceDeck Freeflow. All of the solid RaceDeck tiles have a different understructure that is more rigid with a better locking mechanism which is why they have tighter seams. There is no difference at all in the ribbed/freeflow tiles.

James
 

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Many professional detailers are using the flow-through product. Keeps your walking surface dry and clean. If your floor has never been sealed or painted I would throw something cheap down just to keep chemicals from soaking in. Solid tiles will pose an issue for your application because they will be hard to clean under

I'm considering RaceDeck Freeflow but had that same concern, especially if I were to put down landscape fabric. Spilling oil means that I'd be cleaning tiles, landscape fabric (good luck), and areas where it soaked into the concrete. Sounds like a massive pain. Agree that it might be worth putting down some kind of coating, but I'm definitely not going to go through the trouble of grinding the entire floor and coating just to have something to put tiles over.
 

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I'm considering RaceDeck Freeflow but had that same concern, especially if I were to put down landscape fabric. Spilling oil means that I'd be cleaning tiles, landscape fabric (good luck), and areas where it soaked into the concrete. Sounds like a massive pain. Agree that it might be worth putting down some kind of coating, but I'm definitely not going to go through the trouble of grinding the entire floor and coating just to have something to put tiles over.
Well, I'll know shortly if the solid tiles were a mistake in my install. I decided on the solid as I wanted to cut down on the dust and dirt from my deteriorating concrete where the tires of the car drive over. I am also now able to use a leaf blower to blow the floor clean and it is really nice. With the free flow, I couldn't as it would just fill up the garage with dust.

All the other concrete was solid and smooth but where the car tires drove on those two strips it was down to the aggregate. I am going to be curious to see what the clumps of ice that form behind the wheels do when they sit on this floor. My garage is about 40-50 degrees all winter long and everything melts off the vehicles by morning. My floor was not sealed or protected so all that water just absorbed into the floor and disappeared within a day or so. From what I have seen so far on these floor tiles is it just sits on top and does not evaporate quickly.

My plan is to have a squeegee to push the debris and water out the door. My other thought is a floor to protect the floor so to speak. Does it ever end lol! I see items like these and they may be the solution. Just put them down in the winter and they should absorb most of the water and can be cleaned and stored for the warmer months.

 

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I'm considering RaceDeck Freeflow but had that same concern, especially if I were to put down landscape fabric. Spilling oil means that I'd be cleaning tiles, landscape fabric (good luck), and areas where it soaked into the concrete. Sounds like a massive pain. Agree that it might be worth putting down some kind of coating, but I'm definitely not going to go through the trouble of grinding the entire floor and coating just to have something to put tiles over.
I would not use landscape fabric under free flow tiles unless your floor is terrible. We only use it under solid tile or in our showroom where the floor was absolutely horrible.
 

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Thanks for considering Racedeck. As Justin mentioned, landscape fabric is not recommended nor needed with FreeFlow or FreeFlow XLC flooring. All of our modular flooring is a full-suspension channeled understructure that allows liquids to flow freely to drains or out the door on sloped garages, the open rib design also allows maximum air-floor for rapid evaporation. In addition, should you need to access under a single module or section, you can simply unlock to access the sub-floor

See the commercial grade FreeFlow XLC ( 18"x18"x3/4") > https://racedeck.com/racedeck-products/free-flow-xlc/
and our FreeFlow https://racedeck.com/racedeck-products/free-flow/
 
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