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shocksystems

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Not sure why I never posted mine as I read this thread regularly. It is a Maxus, I do not see many of these on here (do not think I saw this brand in the thread yet). I am happy with it. I mounted it on Hockey Pucks and replaced the petcock with an extension pipe and shutoff valve to make it easier to drain.

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Cheers!

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I finally finished plumbing in my compressor. We had about two weeks worth of 90+degree weather and 95% humidity and no moisture came out of the take offs after the dryer/regulator when I was sandblasting. Tons of water in the drop legs and tank, but none in the second dryer setup. It's overkill, but I had bought the refrigerated dryer about a year ago for $100 and then picked up the 5 stage from HTP. The first regulator and takeoff after the tank is for quick jobs, so I am not too worried about moisture there. The black box with the lighted switch cuts off the contactor so the compressor cannot start and possibly burn up if a problem occurs. I also have a main air shutoff right out of the tank. I tried to implement everything I learned here - thanks for all the great posts guys!

Dave
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AussieDan

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Here's my new-to-me Craftsman 5hp 60gal, it was made in 2000:



Finally got it hooked up today with 1/2" hydraulic hose & fittings to the Numatics filter/coalescer/regulator set. I had to replace the 1/2" pipe from the pump to the tank because it was leaking, and I added a brass shutoff for the drain.

One thing that's concerning me is that it seems to be really loud when it first starts up, then quiets down after 15-20 seconds. Could that be a symptom of bad bearings in the pump?

I'm also trying to decide how I want to arrange the garage piping and where to put a reel. Right now I'm leaning toward a couple of drops on the walls and a reel in the center of the ceiling.
 

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I recently got an Ingersoll Rand 80 gal, 175 psi, two-stage compressor. Nice upgrade from the 20y.o. 11gal Campbell Hausfield I was using. I upgraded for several reasons, not the least of which was to run a new blast cabinet (960FL from TP tools). Got it for 999 at TSC though it's typically priced at ~1399 everywhere else. Seemed like a really good deal, for a US made, continuous duty cycle machine. This is the V-twin T-30 head. 14.7 cfm at max pressure.

Very first day I used it, the third fill cycle I believe, and it made a funny sound. Turns out the rear bearing is bad. Guy came to look at it after 10 days or so - they don't usually go to private homes bit made an exception for me(????). As I predicted to my buddy, I came home that night to find the pump head gone. They took it with them. Said it's a rod or something. Can't imagine how long this is going to take. In the ienterim I hooked up my old compressor to the big tank. Let it fill, then swap hoses and blast for a bit. Repeat, repeat, repeat. When the tank is filled up, I can blast for quite a long time before the compressor cycles on again. Of course, that's with 175 psi. The little guy only puts out 125 max. So the cycles are quite frequent but enough to play around with.

btw, when I got the unit, I can see absolutely no made in USA tags. The motor is a Mexican Emerson, the pump has no label, and the tank has no label. Leads me to believe it is simply assembled in the US. Oh well, I can't really claim surprise since they had to do something to come in at that price. I really would have liked the Champion my buddy got but it for 600 bucks more it was a hard sell. Usually I tell myself that 600 bucks over 40 years is negligable. Oh well.

Here is the my setup now. A headless industrial compressor driven by an old, beat-up yet reliable, loud as balls, economy job. Hope the pump comes back soon.
 

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I work for a motor manufacturer - not Emerson. I would not buy a motor made in Mexico... I've seen their quality vs US first-hand.
 

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Hmmm, that 11 gallon job looks a lot like my circa 1987 direct driven CH compressor. The compressor that built my cottage and pole building. I just used it Sunday. Tough little beastie!
As for the new unit, I hope you did the 20 minute no load break-in to seat the rings and lube the pump? Unfortunately, I had read about the motor and pump head issues on those IR's when shopping for my new big gun, so I passed on the IR.
 

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I work for a motor manufacturer - not Emerson. I would not buy a motor made in Mexico... I've seen their quality vs US first-hand.

Southern Missouri? Baldor! :thumbup: I grew up in STL and my best friend's Dad has been a top-level machinist there for probably 40 years.

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Here's my DeVilbiss 220V belt-drive compressor with 20 gallon hot-dog tank. Made in USA in 1993. Runs at a paltry 125 PSI, but rated at a comfy 10.2 SCFM at 90 PSI. Beats the heck out of the newer vertical 120V oil-less CH I replaced with it. Bought this for $75 and sold that for $140. Win!

I have another 20 gallon hot-dog tank that had a **** belt-drive oil-less compressor that spit the belt. My landlord gave it to me. I'm going to build a stand over this compressor for that tank so I can plumb them together for a cheap 40 gallon setup. Not as nice as a good vertical 60-80 gallon, but can't get one of those for $75. :)

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SgtRauksauff

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A couple pages up, you can see the Quincy QT-5 that I got for $250. Well, I should've given the guy $50. After cycling it a few times I drained the oil, and since it was making a bit more rattling/clanking than I liked, I figured the bearings were out. no big deal, I'll just yank off the head, cylinder jugs, and take a look!

Turns out, the High pressure piston, which has a needle bearing around the wristpin, was all out of needles. I could turn that piston 20-30 degrees on top of the rod. Speaking of the rod, once I got down that far, the friggin' big end was egg-shaped!!! by nearly a quarter inch!!! Low pressure side piston was mostly ok, although the rings were no longer springy. no major play on that side, like the high pressure side.

The crankshaft was essentially worn a bit also, a little raised spot in the middle of the journals. I thought it might be just able to be polished and re-used. The cylinders had some vertical scoring, I think from the bottom edge/corners of the piston skirts when they were twisting. The high pressure side massively, but a little on the LP side also.

I took it to a shop, and I'm 90% sure that he just didn't want to do the work, so he told me it was basically unfixable. I know it IS fixable, but it's going to take a long time, and some custom sized things like oversized bearings because the crank needs to be turned, and new rods, and pistons, and rings, and depending on how deep the scoring in the cylinders are, a good honing MIGHT work, but chances are it'll need to be bored oversize. I was told that quincy no longer offers oversized rings for the QT5 anymore, so I'd have to get a whole new jug/piston assembly.

Ugh. I'll keep it around for a while, maybe tinker with it when I'm bored, to see if it can be made to work well again. It charged up the whole tank, which I believe is a 200 gallon, not a 120gal like I originally thought, in about 15 minutes. Other than the obnoxious noises it made, it was a solid little compressor!!

I've got some photos of the carnage, but I can't seem to find where I filed them away at. I'll post them up later on, including some of the beautiful half-inch sludge in the crankcase. I think the reason why it croaked was because it was run on low oil and wasn't checked/changed. Such a pity. 10 bucks a year, for new oil, and 10 minutes out of a day, to change it. That's all it would've taken....

But, I kept looking around, and found another Quincy up in Minnesota. This one was a QR series, Model 325. Pressure lubricated, kinda huge compared to the QT-5. There was a new Baldor 5hp 3-phase motor, and the guy selling it had modified the motor mounting so belt alignment and tension is easily adjusted. New belts, new safety valve, and freshly painted, too. kind of overdone, almost, but it was still a good deal at $600.

So, here are a few photos. We used some axle straps and the cherry picker to lift it up while in the pickup bed, and drove the pickup out from underneath it. Then we lowered it to the driveway (gravel) and used some old chain-link fence posts to roll it right in. it was actually really really easy to get it into the garage!

Here it sits on the ground, almost ready to roll into the garage. After leaving the house at 6:30am, and getting home at 3:30 pm, it was time for lunch, so we took a break. Kinda felt like Egyptians moving the pyramids..
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Here's another angle of it. I might just give this one a name, maybe Gargamel or something smurf-like...
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Here's the intake side. I didn't even realize until tonight when I was going to test out an intake idea I had, but it uses at least 1" NPT for the inlet, as opposed to the 3/4" of my QT5. You can see where the belts were covering the flywheel, as it was not the smurf blue of the rest. In the upper left of that pic, you can almost see the corner of the garage that its' going into. Non-insulated 2x4 walls at this point. you can also see my Baldor 5hp single-phase motor sitting over the bucket of kitty litter. That's the motor that I'm using on the compressor, since I don't actually have 3-phase power available.
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Here's the "Business End" of the compressor. I put the tape measure on there to show some friends just how large this sucker is. The flywheel is 16" diameter. The sheave on the motor is kinda neat. it's adjustable!! there's one setscrew that holds the sheave against the keyway, and two other setscrews that when loosened, allow the outer parts of the pulley to be screwed in or out, effectively changing the diameter!! The max diameter is 5.5", but it was set to approximately 4.5" when I got it. I did the math, and with my 1725rpm motor spinning the 4.5" pulley, it's cranking the pump at a whopping 485rpm. I plan to adjust the sheave to it's max diameter of 5.5", which will put it right around 593rpm. I think that'll be enough to power what I need to without running out of breath.
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I mentioned the corner of the garage was un-insulated 2x4 walls. Well, not anymore. We decided that since the corner was all cleaned up, why not go buy some insulation (R13 for $25 bucks after rebate from Menards) and stuff it in there, and throw on some 7/16" OSB that we happened to have sitting around. 1/2" would've been nicer, but it'll do the trick of keeping heat inside the garage. Of course, they couldn't have used perfect 16" on-center studs. You can see in the bottom middle of the picture, there are two rows of cinderblocks on the sides of the foundation. Well, ok, MOST of the sides. everything but the last 43" apparently. I think we were able to use the full-width of four batt sections, everything else had to be cut lengthwise. right next to the overhead door to the corner was a 39" section. Then, it was a 43" section along the side wall, and the third piece was a 48" section, but it had to be cut on the bottom to go around the cinderblocks. Ah well, it's done, and ain't necessarily pretty, but at least it'll keep the garage a little warmer now.
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So that's the latest chapter in my compressor saga....

--sarge
 

fatboy99

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Oh great, so now I get to worry about the motor failing next. Thanks!

Run the hell out of it wile under warrenty my Emmerson motor on mine went up in flames!! Was out of warranty when i put in service because it sat for 2 years before i got the shop done. Called the satisfaction Gurenteed # I wasnt satisfied.I bought another off e bay for a 1/3 of what they wanted for a replacement. Havnt had any issues with this one:)
 

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But, I kept looking around, and found another Quincy up in Minnesota. This one was a QR series, Model 325. Pressure lubricated, kinda huge compared to the QT-5. There was a new Baldor 5hp 3-phase motor, and the guy selling it had modified the motor mounting so belt alignment and tension is easily adjusted. New belts, new safety valve, and freshly painted, too. kind of overdone, almost, but it was still a good deal at $600.

So, here are a few photos. We used some axle straps and the cherry picker to lift it up while in the pickup bed, and drove the pickup out from underneath it. Then we lowered it to the driveway (gravel) and used some old chain-link fence posts to roll it right in. it was actually really really easy to get it into the garage!

Here it sits on the ground, almost ready to roll into the garage. After leaving the house at 6:30am, and getting home at 3:30 pm, it was time for lunch, so we took a break. Kinda felt like Egyptians moving the pyramids..
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That one looks familar..... I think you will enjoy that 325, I know I like mine. I even replaced a 3 phase Baldor with a 5 HP single phase Baldor like you are doing.

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SgtRauksauff

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GeorgiaHybrid, That's great! Looks like we're running the same Siemens contactor box, too! I put a Hand/Off/Auto switch in my box. I bet yours is newer than mine, though. I see you've got the screw-on oil filter, mine doesn't have that. According to the tag, the Record Of Change on mine is 13. I'm pretty sure they're way up in the 100+ ROC's these days. My tank tag says 1951. I'm fairly sure it's not the same tank that came with the pump originally, though.

--sarge
 

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Turns out, the High pressure piston, which has a needle bearing around the wristpin, was all out of needles. I could turn that piston 20-30 degrees on top of the rod. Speaking of the rod, once I got down that far, the friggin' big end was egg-shaped!!! by nearly a quarter inch!!! Low pressure side piston was mostly ok, although the rings were no longer springy. no major play on that side, like the high pressure side.


--sarge

My 390 had the same problem ( well almost as the small rod end has a bushing not roller bearings ) It made a nasty slapping sound when it wasn't under load...

Your new pump is 500% better than the QT style.
Looks like you may have to make a belt guard as your pump/motor is mounted backwards from normal. I guess that you could mount a stock one upside down if you have one. They are not too bad to make ( I had to replace mine due to the damage is received when its prior owner decided to dump it over:-(


William....
 

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I've actually got a belt guard, just haven't got it put on yet. Between getting the tension/alignment right, and adjusting the drive sheave, and wanting to get a set of new belts, I just haven't put it on. It's not the stock piece, it weighs about 40 lbs, and seems to be made of 1/8" plate (ok, maybe not quite 1/8, but it's HEAVY!!

Over the weekend, I took off the long 4x4 runners on the bottom of the tank, and made my own feet. I just used a chunk of 4x6 that I had around, and took a sawzall and die grinder to a tire that I had sitting around with a sidewal puncture. Because the floor seems to be slightly uneven in that spot, it was rocking a bit with the runners on. With the new individual feet, it quieted things a bit, and doesn't shake anymore!

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--sarge
 

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Hey everyone. I'm new to GJ and this site is awesome. Just got done reading over all 44 pages of this thread. Ton of information and I'm in gray matter overload. I just picked up this Kobalt off Craig's list. The owner said he has about 4hrs on it. The air filter is still really clean, which I want to change out if I can adapt a regular one like on the IR compressors the round car type air filters. I don't like the cheesy foam filter it has on it now.

Now to build a place out back of my garage to put this thing and then plumb it all up.

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I just got this yesterday and the kid who was selling it had no idea if it worked and only knows that it was being used as a reserve tank. It was in an Auto Mechanic Garage and appears that it was in use at some time.

It is a 120 Gallon tank, a Champion R-30 A Pump, and a Dayton 3 Phase 10 HP motor. The pump turns quite easily and the oil has no visible metallic pieces in it.

My neighbor and good (actually great) friend and I are going to be cleaning it and getting a better look at things and we are really hoping that it is an issue with the motor.

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Heres mine, its a champion r-30 pump and a brand new marathon 7.5hp motor. I picked it up for $100 with a 3ph motor. I spent $400 on the new motor, and $100 on the starter. It runs awsome, pumps from 0 to 170psi in 3mins. It runs about 28cfm.
 

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Here is my restored Ingersoll-Rand, 1-1/2 HP, T30 compressor, circa 1939. I painted it with Dupont Imron, color "Guards Red" left over from some work on a Porsche 944 several years ago.

The GE motor loups along at 1760 RPM and is very quiet. I use it primarily for bead blasting.
 

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787B

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Here is my restored Ingersoll-Rand, 1-1/2 HP, T30 compressor, circa 1939. I painted it with Dupont Imron, color "Guards Red" left over from some work on a Porsche 944 several years ago.

That's a really old compressor. Looks great. Any concern with corrosion in a 70 year old tank? Have you visually inspected inside?
 

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That's a really old compressor. Looks great. Any concern with corrosion in a 70 year old tank? Have you visually inspected inside?

Ditto, great looking find. Also have vintage compressors and tanks concerned myself about PSI limits since I can not find any one close to Hydro check the tank and can't really see in mine unless I rent a bore-scope.
 

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Learn how to perform a hydrostatic test (the only really definitive condition test for a pressure vessel) and do it yourself.
 

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787B - I did open the upper and lower inspection ports on the receiver during the restoration process. The side walls had minor surface rust, but the lower dome had quite a bit of sludge accumulation and some scaling. I power washed the inside and was able to remove the majority of the grease and loose rust. I then dried the receiver with heated air for several days and finally fogged the inside with Boeshield T-9.
 

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Heres mine, its a champion r-30 pump and a brand new marathon 7.5hp motor. I picked it up for $100 with a 3ph motor. I spent $400 on the new motor, and $100 on the starter. It runs awsome, pumps from 0 to 170psi in 3mins. It runs about 28cfm.

Hey lucky I have the same pump, Im about to put my compressor together, what size pulley are you running on the motor?
 

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Here is my restored Ingersoll-Rand, 1-1/2 HP, T30 compressor, circa 1939. I painted it with Dupont Imron, color "Guards Red" left over from some work on a Porsche 944 several years ago.

The GE motor loups along at 1760 RPM and is very quiet. I use it primarily for bead blasting.

That's awesome. I love it. Hopefully you get many good years out of it.
 

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well...bucking the trend for a change...i have an hft compressor - it is their largest one - 80 gal, 7.5h, 2 stage - as i did the research, i found out that as a great exception to their rule, this private labeled item is made on shore in South Carolina by ABAC - the electric motor is by baldor, the compressor is abac's and i assume the tank (certified) is abac's as well - abac's own brand is "Belaire" - i confirmed this by calling abac's tech help for the abac part number to supposedly replace something on the US General compressor - he gave it to me and confirmed that this was their compressor - hft has them for 1,400 - with a sale and a coupon i was out the door at 900 - which is pretty good when the identical belaire sells for double that - sorry i don't have pictures...by the way, hft still sells the same compressor (and the manager gripes that they have practically no margin on it - so even if you pay near the marked price it is a bargain)...thanks, ed

well ... funny what a few years will do ... moved from the southwest to the northeast in '08 - sold all the cars and garage equipment (lift, compressor, tool box, etc) in order to pay for the amazingly higher cost of living up here

well, after 2.25 years here my boss (aka as mother of my children) gave my a green light on the car hobby - so a week ago a 70 Cuda 440 4BL entered the garage - total project car - along with that a rotary 2 post lift (used) and for the compressor, i spent less than i did for the HFT US General compressor and pruchased a 1962 Saylor Beall, 3HP (Robbins-Meyer), 80G vertical, single phase compressor - it is a more than a machine, it is a work of industrial art from when we were great and getting set to put a man on the moon - here is a bunch of pictures - ran the 220v line to it last night, changed the oil and fired her up - about 3 times quiter than the Husky Pancake compressor that was next to it - what a tremondous machine

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My addition. Made in 2001 .Paid $350 CAD for it, which is kinda high for a used compressor, but the "pump" is fairly new, and sells for $400 @ Princess Auto.
This compressor originally came with a 2 cyl pump.
According to my test, the compressor takes 1:55 to fill from 90 to 135 PSI, which translates to 12.81 CFM @ 90-135 PSI average. Ambiant temperaturre was 7 celcius. If the garage was warmer, it probably would have performed better. Compressor was originally rated ar 12.5 cfm @ 100 PSI.
Feet are drilled hockey pucks $1 ea.
Metal tag on tank says heads are .094" and shell is .114" Eagle sure makes 'em thin. :headscrat
Overall I'm happy with it, for what it is.
 

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I took it to a shop, and I'm 90% sure that he just didn't want to do the work, so he told me it was basically unfixable. I know it IS fixable, but it's going to take a long time, and some custom sized things like oversized bearings because the crank needs to be turned, and new rods, and pistons, and rings, and depending on how deep the scoring in the cylinders are, a good honing MIGHT work, but chances are it'll need to be bored oversize. I was told that quincy no longer offers oversized rings for the QT5 anymore, so I'd have to get a whole new jug/piston assembly.

It can be fixed cheaply. Remember its a compressor, not a combustion engine, so you have quite a bit more leeway for creative fixes.

First, if the connecting rods are only worn top to bottom, you can have them re-bored to take up the slack. Yes it changes the distance to center and the piston wont rise all the way so you lose a very slight amount of air per revolution, but its saves the rods. Second, i would only have the cylinders honed gently to remove uneven areas then have the shop doing the work add some fresh crosshatching for new ring break in. It will be quite happy as long as nothing is digging into new rings or the piston skirts. The only real scoring you need to worry about is anything above the rings. Thats what would allow oil to pass through. Anything below the rings though shouldnt be a problem.

The connecting rod can be salvaged as well. Simply have the metal transfer removed and have it given a uniform thickness. If its off by a few thousandths of an inch from spec, so what? It might be a bit more noisy due to the additional slap but it will work.

This is what i would do, and have done successfully, anyway.
 

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My craftsman compressor came with a tiny foam intake filter in a plastic housing, which did nothing to cut down the intake noise and needed a new element ($9 from sears!).

Time to replace it with something a little better, picked up a NOS Solberg FS-15-100 for $25 shipped, but it is a 1" threaded fitting where the compressor uses a rectangular 2-bolt flange.

So I scrounged up a 1" 90, a short length of 1" black pipe and a piece of 1/4" plate and made an adapter, the 90 degree bend also helps to cut the intake noise.

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Here's my beautiful 1987 Ingersoll Rand. It's 5 hp, single stage 60 gal. Bought new in 1987
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RickC

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So .... since it's not complete just yet .... how 'bout I just show it in pieces as the project progresses ... ???

What will eventually be our 'new' compressor came to me and my son in pieces, a freebie if we wanted to haul it away. Just a pump and motor, sans tank.

The following pics: Fresh off the truck, apart for inspection, a little closer inspection revealing evidence of critter inhabitation, then the cap box. Kinda rough but the price was just right!
 

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RickC

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Hmmm ... ok ... looking at the post I see I need to process my pics for here with a bit better res and less compression ... next set should be better.

Still new here .... patience appreciated ....

Rick
 

FRANKIEWHIPIT

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ROCKLAND COUNTY, N.Y.
Here's my old DeVilbiss, I acquired it about 27 years ago, set it up at my Parents house, moved out 23 years ago & forgot all about it, This month I just went to get it, It still turns freely, no compression.
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