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Compressor motor conversion

dantecl

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Howdy,

Trying to convert my Jenny W5B-60 from gas to electric. Manual says 5hp 1750rpm motor, but I can’t seem to find anything costing less than arm and leg together. I see a lot of 5hp motors going for low 200s but they’re all 3450rpm. Anyone know of a 1750-ish motor that goes on the cheap?


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Weg is a good motor and usually cheaper than the big names. I wouldn't expect much less than 500. Can sometimes find used.
 

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The RPM can controlled by pulley size on the motor, I have a 3450RPM motor running a pump at about 1000RPM ( Eaton pump), the pulley is 4". The motor & tank was from a Husky compressor.


This place usually has good prices on motors,
https://www.surpluscenter.com/Electric-Motors/AC-Single-Phase-Motors/Air-Compressor-Motors/

Keep in mind a true 5HP motor will be 20-22amps (and need a magnetic starter likely), not the 15a "special" motors that have the HP numbers inflated.
 

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The motor RPM isn't critical assuming you have the correct pulley ratio and you aren't exceeding the power that can be transmitted via the belt (small pulleys will limit power transfer).

You might need to get a bigger flywheel based on the minimum size pulley you will need on the motor. If so then you are probably better off just getting the lower speed motor.
 

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Wouldn’t a 3450 2,5hp motor do the same work as a 1750 5 hp after geared down with pulleys?
 

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Wouldn’t a 3450 2,5hp motor do the same work as a 1750 5 hp after geared down with pulleys?
No. Gearing down changes the torque and RPM but not the power. A 3450 rpm 5hp motor has half the torque at twice the speed as a 1740 rpm 5hp motor. Gearing the 3450 rpm 5hp motor down to 1740 rpm results in the motors having essentially identical performance.
 
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I mean, what's an "arm and a leg". I'm seeing about $600-1000, which seems about right. You could go WEG, which will pull that down to $500 or so.

Wouldn’t a 3450 2,5hp motor do the same work as a 1750 5 hp after geared down with pulleys?
No. A 3450 RPM 2.5HP motor has 1/4 the torque of a 1725 RPM 5HP motor. Gearing it down to 1725 RPM would result in the effective torque being 1/2 that of a 5HP 1725 RPM motor.
 

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I don't know if it is still true but when I was younger IC motors were universally over rated about double. A five hp gas was equivalent to a 2 1/2 hp electric.
 

NC Fabricator25

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I don't know if it is still true but when I was younger IC motors were universally over rated about double. A five hp gas was equivalent to a 2 1/2 hp electric.
I have heard this as well, never seen it defined anywhere though. Regardless, to determine if you could use a smaller HP motor, or what the HP needs to be, you should look at the pump rating in CFM and pressure at a rated rpm input and determine your needs. A bit of a way to cheat would be to just compare those specs to other compressors and see what HP they run, but as noted previously be wary of HP ratings tied to the motors that list the duty rating as “spl” or “special”….those are the inflated HP motors. Watch the amps, that will tell the story.

Also someone mentioned using a 2 pole motor and “gearing it down”, which would mean dropping the size of the pulley, typically to 1/2 the diameter of an equivalent 4 pole motor. Since the compressor pulley is a fixed diameter (it’s integral to the pump serving as a flywheel and cooling fan) you can only adjust the motor pulley. Dropping the diameter in half may start to put you in the realm of not having enough diameter, which translates to length of belt in contact with the pulley groove, to transmit the HP. Again, there are tables and information available on the web.

What CFM and pressure is the pump?
 

NC Fabricator25

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I couldn’t help myself and had to look up your model….admitting that I was thinking of the smaller, portable Jenny compressors in my post above. A quick search delivered this chart. It‘s a full blown 2 stage unit delivering 17.5CFM at 175psi using 760 rpm pump speed - which clears things up pretty quick, you need a quality 5hp, 4 pole (1725/1750rpm) motor to serve that pump properly. Leeson, Baldor, Weg, used to be Century and Marathon )but I’m unsure if they’re still around) would all fit the bill.

That’s a nice quality unit you‘ve got. Curious what engine is driving it now and how many HP it is?

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