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Compressor: Worst deal ever?

Don1357

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I was browsing the local CL tool section when I came across a $1,500 compressor. I figure for that kinda money it has to be all sorts of awesome so let's click on it. It is an 80 gallon, 220v 3 phase. Where it gets weird is that the motor itself is only 1.5hp. I'm thinking maybe the 3 phase does some sort of magical math that makes it all super powerful and stuff? Nope. SCFM is 5.2 @ 80 PSI, with a 90 PSI maximum pressure...

https://anchorage.craigslist.org/tls/d/wasilla-speedaire-compressor-3ph/7227330530.html

What was the logic of even manufacturing something like this?
 
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That’s a special compressor utilized for dry sprinkler systems. Definitely not anything you want.
 
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I still failing to understand what this $5k compressor does that a $1k compressor with higher psi and a 100% duty cycle couldn't.
 

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Worst deal ever? Actually, that’s a pretty good deal for that kind of a compressor. Certifications come at a price. That compressor was probably upwards of three grand when new.
 
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It's a $5k unit current pricing, it's located in Alaska and it's actually a pair of 5.2 CFM units on a single tank, so 10.4 CFM if set to run simultaneous, and is for climate control systems....Anything in Ak is going to **** shipping cost wise.

If I remember correctly, using the old Glenn Highway, Anchorage is 50 miles from Palmer.
 
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Don1357

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Worst deal ever? Actually, that’s a pretty good deal for that kind of a compressor. Certifications come at a price. That compressor was probably upwards of three grand when new.

So what kind of magical compressed air does it put out that a unit costing 1/5th doesn't?
 

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The description mentioned low oil carry over. So it’s got more engineering in it as it’s designed to minimize oil in the air. Think of an extreme example - SCUBA tanks.

The compressors used to fill SCUBA tanks are designed such that no oil gets in the air you breathe. It has to be clean of even small amounts of oil if you’re breathing it. So some of them have ceramic cylinders with o-rings on the piston and don’t use oil.

In this case, the ad mentions for fire suppression systems. Something about that application maybe can’t have oil in it.

Of course that doesn’t matter for air tools in the workshop. So no, the average guy isn’t buying that for the workshop.

Someone may have got it at a sale, googled the cost of a new unit and set the price based on that. It wasn’t meant to be used in the workshop for air tools.
 

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So what kind of magical compressed air does it put out that a unit costing 1/5th doesn't?

You still don't get it. The price has nothing to do with the performance of the unit. Certification for use in a fire suppression system requires expensive testing. That testing and the resulting paperwork is what you are paying for. In addition, part of that price goes to buy liability insurance for the company that made it, should it ever cause a problem that leads to injury or death in a fire. This compressor has nothing to do with any application you have. Stop losing sleep over it.
 

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The only real issue for DIY shop is it 3ph, it’s 90 psi, weighs a ton..........other than that it would make a great shop for DIY guy. Crank the pressure to 150 ..........change the motors and it’s ready to work!!!!!
 
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The only real issue for DIY shop is it 3ph, it’s 90 psi, weighs a ton..........other than that it would make a great shop for DIY guy. Crank the pressure to 150 ..........change the motors and it’s ready to work!!!!!

I disagree; those single-cylinder pumps are tiny. This is very similar to the duplex air compressors used on pneumatic-control HVAC systems - they are low-flow, low-pressure, high-reliability compressors designed to run for decades with minimal maintenance.

So you crank up the pressure and change the motors to spin them a bit faster - you still only have 6-7cfm @ 125psi when you are done. That's a joke for a real shop compressor.

Skip this compressor, even for free.

For those of you who don't know, this compressor is for dry-pipe fire sprinkler systems. What is that, you ask? Well let's say that you have an unheated area that you want to put fire sprinklers in, and you don't want to heat-trace the wet-pipe system. You install a dry-pipe system in the area that you want to protect. The dry-pipe system uses compressed air inside of it so there is no water to freeze.

The temperature-sensitive capsules at the heads operate in exactly the same way as they do in a wet-pipe system - they break and allow flow. Then there is a flow-sensing valve that turns on a water valve (located in a heated portion of the building) which floods the dry piping with water and then it operates just like a wet pipe system does.

It's more expensive but this system can be used outdoors, say underneath the overhang of a building, over a loading dock, in an engine generator room that could possibly freeze in the winter when the generator runs, and so on.
 
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