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Concrete, how cold is too cold?

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Well, as things go, it's getting farther into the year and I'm beginning to get concerned about doing the flatwork in my "yet to friggin get started" build. So the question begs, how cold is too cold to pour the floor? The building will be up, but won't be insulated or heated. I do realize there are additives for the mix, but I'm also concerned with the final finnish as I hope to have the floor polished in the end. So, cement guru's, where's my cutoff ? :headscrat
 
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Hang a propane salamander 5 feet above the floor for 24 hours ahead of time and you can pour at any temperature.

Two things are important, ground temperature and ground temperature. In 2007 we even have ground heaters that accomodate pours that must be made in the open, unlike 1960. Since concrete is exothermic it will pretty much prevent itself from freezing before curing if the ground temperature is above 40°.
 
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I don't know what effect ground temp. will have as this is going to have hydronic heat, therefore the pour will be going over 2" Dow board. I was more concerned with the ambient air temperature, how long until the pour was workable and any ill effects of water curing when near freezing temperatures were possible.
 

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yeah; once it's placed and starts to cure, ambient temperature is pretty much a non issue.
 

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The limitation here is when the redimix place closes. When it gets too cold to mix and truck it, it won't matter what kind of site preparations you have made. Maybe in Pa they run year around.
 

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They can mix ethelene glycol in the concrete and keep it from setting to fast or freezing up.
 
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Beings that you are in Pennsylvania, you are still going to have some warm days. I remember two years ago the wife and I were trimming trees the week before Christmas in short sleeves. I have seen it 70 on Thanksgiving before. So if you get things ready you still have a good month yet. As longs as it's around 40 you are good. It will be awhile before the ground freezes and you can't work the ground for concrete if the ground is froze as you will get frost heave. But before the ground freezes and you get your base down, you can get the concrete poured.

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I'm not sure about the USA, but up here in Canada most plants have boilers and run all year. Heated concrete starts on November 15 every year. The producer will add varying percentages of hot water to the mix (depending on aggregate and ambient temperatures).

Ground temperature should never be below freezing or concrete can freeze on contact. The recommended minimum ground temperature is 40 F (5C). Concrete will produce heat by the process of hydration, but this process is severely retarded with lowered temperatures. The concrete will quickly lose heat and freeze at the surface if subjected to freezing air temperatures at an early age. You can protect the concrete from freezing with insulated tarps, straw or heaters.
DO NOT use heaters which exhaust directly into the heat source such as many salamanders. The concrete reacts with the carbon dioxide in the exhaust and will cause dusting of the surface by a process called carbonation. Most contractors in my area use indirect fired heaters (exhausted outdoors).

Canadian standards recommend concrete be protected from temperatures of 50F (10C) or below until it reaches 2500psi (17.5Mpa), which usually occurs within three to four days.

There are a number of set accelerators and concrete anti freezes that can be used for cold weather concreting.
 

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Thanks for all the info guys, I'm hoping to get a foundation poured in the next few weeks in South-West lower Mi.


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So in summation, it looks like 40* is the magic number? My main concern was that the surface water would want to freeze and create dusting or other " to be found out later" problems were the ambient temp.too low. A few years ago I was in Oklahoma at this time of year and it was 17* there and 65* here, so yes, I do realize there some nice days yet ahead, but it can go either way. Thanks for the replies fellas.
 

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I used to work for a ready mix company in Kansas, they kept the plant open most year round and kept running loads till it got fairly cold. In honesty I was the safety guy, not a batch plant hand or mixer driver so I would have to say alot of what I saw posted here jibes with what little bit I remember. Good luck with your pour.
 

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My main concern was that the surface water would want to freeze and create dusting or other " to be found out later" problems were the ambient temp.too low.


You definitely do not want to let the surface freeze - which can happen. But you should not have a problem if the temps are above freezing and the ground is not too cool. They do use thermal blankets over the pour when the temps are going to dip overnight.
 
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