Concrete Shortage
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Also keep in mind how much building supplies have been sent to NOLA. All the 84 Lumber yards closed around after Katrina, I heard they were moving south.
RbrtAWhyt
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I was quoted $95 a yard with no minimum amount. They did have a $100 delivery fee per load, though. I thought that was pretty reasonable...
Displaced Hokie
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I don't know, but I understand the concrete industry is one that may be badly affected by some possible future legislation. But that's future, not today, so I don't think it would affect pricing. Did a lot of places go out of business due to the turndown? That wouldn't help.
84 closed here in the south too. Concrete is high, ( I being a concrete engineer) is because the cost of fuel has increase the cost it take to make the raw material into cement products. It use to be that the kiln could burn old tires to generated the heat needed, but that as been stop, so fuel is the other method. its running about a $100 a yard here, while nine years ago it was $30 a yard. Its not coming down.
GarageEnvy
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It's actually a bit cheaper here than it was a few years ago. The prices vary wildly and it makes a huge difference whether you're a DIY guy ordering a one time deal or a big concrete contractor. I have the biggest contractor in my front yard right now and he gets as much concrete as he wants and whenever he wants it. I'd pay about $100-125 a yard. I'd be surprised if my contractor is paying 1/2 that amount. Oh and the 84 lumber in my area is still open.
Falcon67
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Buried in there is some more of that gubbermint short-sight BS. Old tires - a major waste problem - can be used to produce a great building material. I'm not sure what killed that, but something did (at least in Texas they blocked it) and now we pay 3X+ what we used to for concrete and the tires are piling up in all kinds of hidie-holes. Somebody needs to look at the big picture on that deal, really. The plants would buy the tires, no problem. Now you have to pay a disposal fee - how do you think that's working out.
meissen
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Around my area, the concrete shops are telling my father-in-law (who is a contractor and used to do cement work before the housing market collapsed) that most of the price right now in Metro Detroit is based off of the fact that there's no demand because there's no new houses being made, etc. Most around me are completely closed for the year because of the low demand and told us it would cost too much for them to open the yard just to do a few odd jobs.
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My local supplier charged me $95 a yard for a sidewalk I replaced (mid-August) between the house and the garage, with a 2 yard minimum. Not bad for a Saturday delivery, we had to wheelbarrow it too.
rwhite692
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4,500 PSI here in northern CA is currently at the same price (95 per yd) that it was in spring 2008 when I built my shop.
My concrete guy says there are no shortages, however, the concrete plants are running at less output, meaning less frequent batches are being mixed on any given day. So if you don't schedule your needs with them, you might show up on any given day where they have already run all that they had planned to run that day, and have nothing to sell to you.
My concrete guy says there are no shortages, however, the concrete plants are running at less output, meaning less frequent batches are being mixed on any given day. So if you don't schedule your needs with them, you might show up on any given day where they have already run all that they had planned to run that day, and have nothing to sell to you.
RbrtAWhyt
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Wheelbarrow it? My local Sunbet rental quoted me $68 a day for a ride on dummper buggy:
http://www.sunbeltrentals.com/equipment/equipment.aspx?itemid=0570008&catid=s319
Wanna Ride
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Wheelbarrow it? My local Sunbet rental quoted me $68 a day for a ride on dummper buggy:
http://www.sunbeltrentals.com/equipment/equipment.aspx?itemid=0570008&catid=s319
We were scheduled for a 7:30am pour on a Saturday morning. There was no rain in the forecast, and the sidewalk was only 70 feet from the street. The closest tool rental store (of any brand) is about 60 miles from me. For just two yards, it just wasn't worth the time to go pick one up. There was me and two buddies and both of them brought their wheelbarrows, so it wasn't bad at all.
Had it been more concrete, more distance, or fewer friends there to help, it would be an option.
blue dog
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Right now , Los angeles is averaging $90 - $100 per yard, when the market was booming they were getting $125 a yard, and in 03 we did a big job [ 900 yards ] and contracted it at $65 a yard, all over the map.
Three factors are/will affect concrete prices.
1. Regulation of fuel sources (emissions really) limits what is burned to natural gas and other "cleaner" fuels - no more tires etc in many states. Higher fuel cost goes right into higher concrete costs.
2. Ash. Coal fired electric plants (and other uses of coal) result in ash - just like in your BBQ. The ash has been used for all kinds of re-use, but among the biggest are wallboard and concrete. There are now proposals in DC to regulate ash as a toxic chemical, which would likely end those uses. Worst case the ash already in the environment would have to be remediated. Anyway if ash is removed from the concrete inputs, the price will rise as the replacement will cost more.
3. Carbon, specifically CO2. If we ever regulate carbon or have cap-and-trade, the cement industry will be hard hit as it is a big carbon emitter.
The good news is that somehow through all of this we will be creating green jobs.
1. Regulation of fuel sources (emissions really) limits what is burned to natural gas and other "cleaner" fuels - no more tires etc in many states. Higher fuel cost goes right into higher concrete costs.
2. Ash. Coal fired electric plants (and other uses of coal) result in ash - just like in your BBQ. The ash has been used for all kinds of re-use, but among the biggest are wallboard and concrete. There are now proposals in DC to regulate ash as a toxic chemical, which would likely end those uses. Worst case the ash already in the environment would have to be remediated. Anyway if ash is removed from the concrete inputs, the price will rise as the replacement will cost more.
3. Carbon, specifically CO2. If we ever regulate carbon or have cap-and-trade, the cement industry will be hard hit as it is a big carbon emitter.
The good news is that somehow through all of this we will be creating green jobs.
dolphin233
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They are also trying to ban flyash, because the environmental people are calling it a health hazzard. If that goes through I wonder what the result that will have on the price.
scottzilla
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I built my garrage back in April and found concrete was actually pretty stable. ASPHALT is through the roof though.
Nuccio
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depends where you are I am getting it for 60/cy plus 160-200 for delivery. It came down from a high of about 98/cy plus delivery 3-4 year ago. I also can call and get concrete same day now 3-4 years ago you needed 5 day notice.
madjack
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4 years ago I paid $95 a yard for the garage walls and foundation. I'm having the same contractor pour 120 feet of driveway on Friday, and he quoted me $105 delivered per yard. Don't think that's to bad.
venom50svt
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I have a friend that is in the concrete business in the north east. He told me that the bottom has dropped out of the market. Sales are tough at this time and the end users are beating them up on price...So right now the prices are not due to the MFG'er it is the fault of the your local supplier..My guess is they are trying to make up for the lack of homes etc being built...stevo