Concrete truck on Driveway / Yard...

[anuccite]

My concrete guys assumed they would be able to bring a truck close to where they needed to pour.

I'm worried they may crack the edge of driveway when they roll off of it.

I'm also worried the truck might get stuck in the lawn.

I don't care if the lawn gets messed up, as i need to make a driveway later....

I have 3 options, and all are my responsibility

1) Let the truck try and go into back yard like origional plan
2) Get a Concrete Line Pump, Which I'm having a bit of trouble sourcing
3) Get two concrete buggy's and probably lay down some plywood to help them from sinking.

Thoughts on my issue?

My concern for the last option is the buggy will only be able to dump from 2 sides of pad.

Generally speaking, would they want to drive the buggy on the pad? The footings are already dug, since it will be a Monolithic slab.

here's what the yard looks like currently

 

[Slednut]

I went with the pump truck, it was the longest reach truck they had.

 

[anuccite]

I went with the pump truck, it was the longest reach truck they had.

What was your additional cost.... ?

 

[Hilltopmasonry]

What was your additional cost.... ?

Yea that looks expensive...all the concrete guys i know just shuttle the concrete with their bobcats unless its a huge pour or have high foundation walls


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[anuccite]

Yea that looks expensive...all the concrete guys i know just shuttle the concrete with their bobcats unless its a huge pour or have high foundation walls


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I wouldn't call it Huge.... But 30x44 pad with 12"x12" footings.....

 

[GMCGarage]

can you lay some crushed stone down on your driveway and where the new drive will be, that will help distribute the load out a bit. kind of build a bit of a ramp at the edge of your drive.

Or, if it cracks, when you pour your new drive, saw it back a bit and replace.

 

[Slednut]

What was your additional cost.... ?

I had a GC do the concrete and framing for a price, all I know is the longer reach truck was $300.

 

[Hilltopmasonry]

I had a GC do the concrete and framing for a price, all I know is the longer reach truck was $300.

Thats not bad at all for that truck


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[zmotorsports]

On my last shop, I had my concrete done a few years before I was able to build the shop so I had to rent a pump truck to go up and over the house and reach into the back yard. If memory serves I think it was about $600 per use. I rented it 3 times, once for footings, once for foundation and lastly for the floor and shop apron to tie into the existing driveway. That was a hard $1800.00 to spend but I am sure it saved me much more.

On my new garage/shop that I am building, I have no concrete on the side of the house so the garage/shop will be completely built before I pour the driveway going from the shop in the backyard and working my way towards the street.

Already they have damaged the sidewalk at the front of the yard from driving the gravel trucks over it so the contractor will be replacing that when doing the driveway.

Mike.

 

[Davefr]

My concrete guys assumed they would be able to bring a truck close to where they needed to pour.

I'm worried they may crack the edge of driveway when they roll off of it.

I'm also worried the truck might get stuck in the lawn.

I don't care if the lawn gets messed up, as i need to make a driveway later....

I have 3 options, and all are my responsibility

1) Let the truck try and go into back yard like origional plan
2) Get a Concrete Line Pump, Which I'm having a bit of trouble sourcing
3) Get two concrete buggy's and probably lay down some plywood to help them from sinking.

Thoughts on my issue?

My concern for the last option is the buggy will only be able to dump from 2 sides of pad.

Generally speaking, would they want to drive the buggy on the pad? The footings are already dug, since it will be a Monolithic slab.

here's what the yard looks like currently

#2. The concrete company should be able to help get a line pump scheduled. They can reach 300'+. I wouldn't chance getting the cement truck back there. They usually tell you curbside delivery only.

 

[gordo9742000]

When we had our pool apron done I had the same concerns. What we ended up doing is piling a bunch of crushed stone at the edge of the driveway to help prevent the cracking. I also talked to the concrete company and they sent out the trucks half loaded to help.

 

[ard]

Is it me or was the most important picture a picture of the thing you are worried about breaking??

When I've built, site grading and foundation excavation includes a rough driveway, then lay roadbase...then over the next 3-15 months you are compacting the base for the finished drive.....

A load of dirt, gravel, over unusual profiles can help distrubute tire pressure from a truck, but if you have just dirt- AND it might be soft/waterlogged, a pump truck might be safest.

Simple truck, lines on the ground- no boom- have run me 300 a pour. Kind of a 4-5 hour gig from start to finish.

 

[anuccite]

Is it me or was the most important picture a picture of the thing you are worried about breaking??

When I've built, site grading and foundation excavation includes a rough driveway, then lay roadbase...then over the next 3-15 months you are compacting the base for the finished drive.....

A load of dirt, gravel, over unusual profiles can help distrubute tire pressure from a truck, but if you have just dirt- AND it might be soft/waterlogged, a pump truck might be safest.

Simple truck, lines on the ground- no boom- have run me 300 a pour. Kind of a 4-5 hour gig from start to finish.

I know.... I need to get a pic of the driveway...... it's an existing driveway that's been there for 8 years..... I'm all for the pump method, as it may actually turn out cheaper than the buggys / wood route.

 

[anuccite]

We put the gravel there because there was fresh dirt there when the driveway pipe was extended.

 

[hefnerconstructionlc]

Pump, will cost some money to rent. But can be saved on the placement of the concrete. I thin you will find it is a wash. Lots of wasted time in shuttling that much material. It will save the guys finishing energy for the finish as well as give more time to scree, float, and finish. I think your six and one, half a dozen of the other. But this saves you a lot of tracking, compaction, mess. You will be the one playing clean-up.

 

[Supergumby5000]

In my commercial concrete experience, we would typically have issues on soil when repetitive trucks backed over the same line of traffic and the tires would heave the soil out. Keep in mind that is for 500+ cy pours. Lots of trucks. We would just throw down a couple sheets of plywood and run with it. This is what I would do if you are not worried about the ground too much. 2-3 sheets of plywood set over soft spots goes a long ways. Dont waste your time with 1 loose sheet though, the truck will blow it apart. Depending on your area it will most likely be cheaper to throw away several sheets of plywood than rent a pump truck.

As far as the edge of the driveway, I would be surprised if driving off the edge would cause cracking. Maybe if they drive over a corner or something.

 

[kbs2244]

My guy used a pump and a 4 inch hose laying on the grass from the curb 100 feet to the slab.
No extra cost.

He had the pump already and saved the cost of wheelbarrow labor.
I was amazed to see it had duct tape patches.
He said on a flat run like mine you do not buildup much pressure.

The cement came out like tooth past and the guys could aim it where they needed it at will.

 

[cajunfirehawk]

IMHO concrete cost more than my actual building, my 30' x40' slab with 20' apron to join to my old driveway, between footings and heavier psi, etc was over $1ok, stuff is over $100/yd here

 

[Jackfre]

I'm a fan of pump trucks. Makes the pour go so much faster and as a result you end up with a better product. What services re underground between the road and the site that you don't want crushed?

 

[anuccite]

I'm a fan of pump trucks. Makes the pour go so much faster and as a result you end up with a better product. What services re underground between the road and the site that you don't want crushed?

Nothing underground but electric and cable..... and they are deep enough, at least the electric is for sure....

I'm more concerned with the truck getting stuck

 

[DaveIRL]

Mexicans with wheel barrows, they will shift the concrete pretty damn fast, especially with three or four

 

[MattN03]

Shouldn't the concrete guy eat the cost if he didn't realize the truck would have an issue?

 

[LX-Markham]

If you go the pumping route, make sure the concrete mix is appropriate. Make sure they use the proper plasticizer instead of adding water. You need a high slump mix to pump.

For a slab, less water the better. More water will cause more shrinkage cracks and curling.

 

[anuccite]

Shouldn't the concrete guy eat the cost if he didn't realize the truck would have an issue?

He expected the truck to be able to make it ...... I had the concerns....

Driveway / sinking..... I'm willing to throw a little at it to ease my mind, A Pump Truck would be my best option, but I am leaning towards getting 20 sheets of plywood and hoping for the best

 

[readhead]

You will spend the money on plywood or a pump. When it is over the pump will be gone or you will have a stack of wrecked plywood to get rid of. The chute will not reach all the way anyway so I think I would go for the pump.

 

[anuccite]

My Concrete guy is trying to find me a pump.....

 

[captain14]

Neighbor had the second concrete truck get stuck in his side yard loaded. He was doing the pour himself. There was a lot of heated words about whose fault if was.

Needless to say , 3 or 4 friends helped move the full load of concrete in Wheelbarrows while he finished it. Man was I tired after that.

Save the energy for the finished product.

 

[TractorJeff]

When I was a kid:
"Neighbor had the first concrete truck get stuck in his side yard loaded. He was doing the pour himself. There were no heated words about whose fault if was. 3 or 4 neighbors/relatives helped move the full load of concrete in Wheelbarrows while they finished it. Every guy was tired after that! But that was the way it used to be, neighbors helped neighbors!"

 

[forAK]

I went the pump route and it was an additional $800. My pour was exactly 30 yards. They charge for the truck time and how many yards they pump. One thing to think about also and its a big one. Clean up. The pump guys will want to clean their rigs out and its a huge mess. Make sure you have a hole or an area they can get nasty in. All the aggregate and cement, even watered down, gets pretty heavy to move when it dries.

 

[Radix2]

When I was a kid:
"Neighbor had the first concrete truck get stuck in his side yard loaded. He was doing the pour himself. There were no heated words about whose fault if was. 3 or 4 neighbors/relatives helped move the full load of concrete in Wheelbarrows while they finished it. Every guy was tired after that! But that was the way it used to be, neighbors helped neighbors!"

Yeah, those rose colored memories...

...truckers have been cussing about getting their carts stuck since 3000BC.

 

[matt_i]

The "paperclip truck" is a huge time & labor saver. Cost $700 both times I used it, but it was so much better than pouring the footings with buggies and 3 guys (won't do that again). The rebar doesn't have to be disturbed, can be set on chairs while its placed.

As above you will probably have to order 1 extra yard of concrete, and this has to be pulled back into the hopper at the end to cleanout the tube. Then the truck operator has to dump the 1 yard out of the hopper. I didn't have anything setup for that, ended up putting a thin sheet of plastic down and then dumping on that. I broke it all up with a sledge hammer the same day while it was still curing and that was a big plus. Now have some "crushed" concrete of various sizes to use for my driveway base. However had I waited 1 day and attempted this the next day I'd have a big monolithic chunk to break up, much harder work.

 

[TractorJeff]

LOL!
Yeah, those rose colored memories...
...truckers have been cussing about getting their carts stuck since 3000BC

This young driver was there on a Saturday morning, Vietnam Vet, nothing excited him! Still doesn't to this day. Everybody knew everybody, pretty soon the guy up the road came down with a Tractor. A Township Truck came rolling up the road. Driver laughed and said to move the Tractor, he hooked the Township Truck on and pulled the Concrete Truck out. Told them they owed him a Beer at the Legion Hall tonight!
True Story!

 

[anuccite]

I went the pump route and it was an additional $800. My pour was exactly 30 yards. They charge for the truck time and how many yards they pump. One thing to think about also and its a big one. Clean up. The pump guys will want to clean their rigs out and its a huge mess. Make sure you have a hole or an area they can get nasty in. All the aggregate and cement, even watered down, gets pretty heavy to move when it dries.

As above you will probably have to order 1 extra yard of concrete, and this has to be pulled back into the hopper at the end to cleanout the tube. Then the truck operator has to dump the 1 yard out of the hopper. I didn't have anything setup for that, ended up putting a thin sheet of plastic down and then dumping on that. I broke it all up with a sledge hammer the same day while it was still curing and that was a big plus. Now have some "crushed" concrete of various sizes to use for my driveway base. However had I waited 1 day and attempted this the next day I'd have a big monolithic chunk to break up, much harder work.

I plan to form up the end of that driveway, so they have a place to dump extra.... Even if I just get a foundation there

 

[Davefr]

I plan to form up the end of that driveway, so they have a place to dump extra.... Even if I just get a foundation there

A decent line pump operator will produce very little waste/mess. As the pour is approaching the end they send water thru the hose to push out the remaining concrete. One minute you have concrete and within a few seconds you have the water flush with minimal mess.

The line pump is operated by wireless remote control and a good operator will know when it's time for the final water/slurry purge.

 

[ozyborn]

When my dad poured the slab for the garage in the backyard long time ago. It was myself and 3 of my friends with the wheelbarrows. Had a nice workout. Years later I know why he had us use the wheelbarrows. Having my kids do the same. Lol

 

[allenb12]

IMHO and 45 years around concrete pumping is the way to go. Concrete trucks are too heavy for ply wood and will destroy it. The placement will go much faster and you will get a better job if it is pumped.

 

[4 FN 27]

See if they have a Conveyor Truck available. We used one of these on my building saving the cost of a Pumper...

 

[Dave in Mass]

See if they have a Conveyor Truck available. We used one of these on my building saving the cost of a Pumper...

Thinking that first picture might belong in the WTF thread...

 

[joes169]

See if they have a Conveyor Truck available. We used one of these on my building saving the cost of a Pumper...

I was going to suggest a conveyor as well, but a stand alone because I doubt the mixer/conveyor will reach the slab, and will be hard for subsequent trucks to load the hopper. The one's like that here only reach about 50-55', so I don't think that will be enough for the OP. Most stand-alone telebelts will reach 110-120', or more. The bonus is they're usually cheaper rent, no extra concrete gets wasted, they can convey any slump from 1" up, and they're far less likely to have mechanical problems during the pour vs. a pump.

 

[nes999]

They used buggys with mine and had no issues. I didn't put down any ply or anything. However he didn't charge me anymore for it. If I was paying I would take a strong look at a pump truck. I would see the price difference between the different options the pump truck might not be that much more.

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