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Ryanjax

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What is the ideal placement for the electrical service conduit in a slab?

320 amp service.
Should I run 3" or 4" conduit?

18" below grade?

Long sweep elbow and cap it?

How far above the slab should I have it run?

I'm also going to have runs to the house and barn with 200 amp services. Same questions apply.

Thanks!


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your first and best stop for this information is your power company that will - hopefully be supplying your power needs.

They will determine what amperage service will be available to you and at what cost. Normally they are OK with your verbal needs, but may want to see power budgets to justify anything over 200 amp service, or multiple service drops on the same property or bill.

Once the supply is OKed, they will then tell you what size conduit, depth, gnd, sweeps, etc. - IF - "they" allow you to do it, on their behalf. Often times they will ask you to plant a stake where you want the service stub - and they do the work, for a price or ...

It all depends.

Where I am, in TN, they have a 3 page simple drawing of what they expect completed. In my case I simply asked for a second 200 amp service to my garage. I trenched from the garage to the pole stake they specified, I planted the conduit, per their drawing and prepared the ground rod and layed it in the trench. Apply some red tape to the entire ditch and across it at regular intervals and I was done. They were there two days later to plant the pole and tie everything in. Done in 4-5 hours.

In VA, you picked up the phone to Dominion Power and they sent an engineer out to assess and design. Gave you an invoice for the install, which included the minimum charges for that service and once paid, scheduled the install. 3 months later the service was trenched and completed to the garage.
 
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Ryanjax

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Ok, that solved half the battle. The POCO says 3" service riser and either a 3 or 3.5 Entrance run. The engineer has already been to the site and approved the 320 amp service. They will trench and lay the wire, I just need to the the meterbase and adjoining equipment ready.

After doing a little more reading, my plan was to have the meterbase outside a shed I'm going to build and put the disconnects for the barn and house inside, there will also be a small load center there.

Can I put the disconnects inside?
 

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local code will likey specify the meterbase be between 3' and 6.5' and firmly attached to some structure (pole, wall, kendorf, etc)

The shed will likely meet those requirements. Unless listed for damp/wet locations, the equipment should be inside. Special locations gear will cost more. Don't skimp here...use the right gear for the right environment.
 
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Ryanjax

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Here is the shed I was thinking of. I had originally just planned on a H frame for the electric and a combo meterbase and load center, but I need a conditioned space for the well equipment.
 

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Ryanjax - You may very well have all this logically figured out, so you apparently have WAY higher power needs than 98% of us?

Gonna be quite an exemplary property if the rest is commensurate to your stated power needs.

Just assuming anything even remotely close to "typical", and drawing from the info you have given, this service is WAY WAY overkill.

NO ??

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Ryanjax

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Ryanjax - You may very well have all this logically figured out, so you apparently have WAY higher power needs than 98% of us?

Gonna be quite an exemplary property if the rest is commensurate to your stated power needs.

Just assuming anything even remotely close to "typical", and drawing from the info you have given, this service is WAY WAY overkill.

NO ??

Marc

Marc,

This is for my farm in Northern Indiana. The barn feed (200A) will be for powering three walk in coolers and all of my garage equipment including air compressor, welders, woodworking equipment and a future plasma table.

The house will be a standard 200A service.
 

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If it will be a one, or two worker shop, unless, again, it is somehow out of norm exemplary, 100 would be more than ample.

Even w three walk in coolers, a significant , but not huge load.

Sure doesn't hurt to have more, if you have the unhindered cash available.

I guess if you get like a CNC plasma cutter, and want to run that while you weld, and have unhindered power to run large compressor, to have ability to run all 3 potentially simultaneously, well then maybe that's why you legitimately want 200.

Don't forget yer voltage drop cypherin, what w your apparent longish distances.

Just askin, more than most of us have or need.

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Marc,

This is for my farm in Northern Indiana. The barn feed (200A) will be for powering three walk in coolers and all of my garage equipment including air compressor, welders, woodworking equipment and a future plasma table.

The house will be a standard 200A service.

So will the barn and house be off the same 400a(320a continuous) service?

If so then the house and barn would be branch feeders off the main service and not have their own service.

How big is the house? what electric loads will you have?

200a is an awful lot for a house.

Post up you wire lengths and we can help with wire size. U need to figure this out first before picking conduit sizes.
 
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Ryanjax

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So will the barn and house be off the same 400a(320a continuous) service?

If so then the house and barn would be branch feeders off the main service and not have their own service.

How big is the house? what electric loads will you have?

200a is an awful lot for a house.

Post up you wire lengths and we can help with wire size. U need to figure this out first before picking conduit sizes.

Yes, same service. Plan is to run from the pole to the meter base at the shed and have two disconnects. One for the barn and one for the house. The house is not built yet so I'm not going to make that run yet, just preparing for the future house. For info purposes it's about ~120' from the shed to the house.

I've had a 100A service for a house before and have run out of capacity so I'm not going to make that mistake again.
 

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If your going with copper you need 2" min and 3/0. Pricey. If going with aluminum I'd pull 250 mcm and install in 2.5". That's what I would do.
 
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