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mille755

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In the new tool arrival thread, someone posted about getting some connector pliers it looks like the brand was "merry".

Any other brands to look at?
Also these are intended to depress the release tab and pull the connector out? Is that right, just curious, because the pliers don't look that robust, are they only intended to depress the tab?

Asking because I've never seen these in person, but can definitely see the value of them.

It's a PIA to press the tab and pull/pry/give up and grab the pliers with little regard to shredding the connector.
 
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https://www.frankstools.com/ktccoplad.html

https://www.lislecorp.com/specialty-tools/35070-button-connector-pliers/

https://www.lislecorp.com/specialty-tools/disconnect-pliers/

Here are three types of connector pliers. Merry is a Japanese tool brand and are similar to the KTC model in the first link. They are quite handy but, not as strong or durable as a pair of long nose hose grip pliers. Yes they are meant to depress the connector tab.

https://www.knipex.com/index.php?id=1216&L=1&page=art_detail&parentID=1336&groupID=1340&artID=1540
 

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Asking because I've never seen these in person, but can definitely see the value of them.

It's a PIA to press the tab and pull/pry/give up and grab the pliers with little regard to shredding the connector.


I can't think of a single connector that any of those pliers would help with (this is just my personal opinion)

Most connectors get a lot easier, in my personal experience, if you push the connector onto its mate while depressing whatever button/lever/whatever. As you push 2 connectors together you reduce the friction on whatever button that needs to be pressed, making it generally pretty easy to do.

Those pliers would all make life 1000000x more difficult, IMO

Just imagining trying to use those KTC pliers for literally anything is painful. Maybe they're designed for some kind of connector that I have no experience with. What would you guys use those on? I keep considering buying connector pliers myself (actually I was thinking about this more when I was into Audis which was a few years ago - I had trouble with some of the connectors on those) but a lot of them just don't look that useful to me.
 
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Sounds like you prefer using hose grip pliers in this application?

Hose pliers have more leverage, but you risk damaging brittle connectors more easily. Most of these types of tools have jaws which do not fully close the tips, to help prevent this.


I can't think of a single connector that any of those pliers would help with (this is just my personal opinion)

Most connectors get a lot easier, in my personal experience, if you push the connector onto its mate while depressing whatever button/lever/whatever. As you push 2 connectors together you reduce the friction on whatever button that needs to be pressed, making it generally pretty easy to do.

Those pliers would all make life 1000000x more difficult, IMO

Just imagining trying to use those KTC pliers for literally anything is painful. Maybe they're designed for some kind of connector that I have no experience with. What would you guys use those on? I keep considering buying connector pliers myself (actually I was thinking about this more when I was into Audis which was a few years ago - I had trouble with some of the connectors on those) but a lot of them just don't look that useful to me.

Not to be argumentative, or disparaging, but do you work on cars professionally? Merry pliers and the long reach cable pliers from Lisle are amazing if you don't have DIY luxuries like removing extra parts, or replacing things which are ****** and old and aught to just be replaced. You're paid what you're paid, and anything deviating from the best case scenario makes you the bad guy and work for no additional pay.

The merry pliers are for seized and inaccessible connectors. Imagine an oil soaked connector whose weatherpack seals hold tight, obscured by a part which will break if removed, which you will not be paid to replace if it is damaged. I used them recently on an 02 connector, because it was right next to the 700*F converter which just cam back from a 30min test drive and I need this sensor out NOW. Wrap your hand in a rag to remove the sensor, and the reinstall the same way. That, or a severe burn using my hand on the connector.

You use the Lisle cable pliers for things you can't normally reach, or have access to depress. For instance - A Dodge "ESIM" which is basically the canister and mechanical vent valve on a variety of models. They fail, a lot. One hose connection for the pickups is above the tank, with a "quick" disconnect. It's obscured by a razor sharp shield, and covered in dust. Those cable pliers are the difference between dropping the tank (unpaid) and doing the job within the time allotted. The normal pliers they make are amazing after you've been up to your armpits in a full fuel tank fishing out a dislodged float, and now you need to go to the next car and use your battered fingers to disconnect plastic BS. As the connectors get full of dirt and dust, soaked in oil, it makes life so much easier to use 1 hand (via pliers) to depress the clips and wrestle it with the other hand.

Breaking it is not an option. Replacing it is not an option. Surgical strike, touch NOTHING not required, swap your part, and get out. These sorts of tools support that.


Any "quick" disconnect plastic connector will benefit from the lisle tools listed. The Merry pliers are more fore standard electrical connectors. Sometimes I can't fit my hand in an area then bend it at a 90* angle to interface with the tab..... but I can wiggle a pair of pliers in there and get what I need. Same idea as snaking an air impact down through an engine bay and then using channel locks to operate the trigger. Why work in such an insane way? Because the POS you're working on can't be disassembled without dying on the rack, and Becky NEEDS to pick up this car before the full labor time billed has even occurred.

Removing the bumper pays 1 hour. Changing the marker light, which includes bumper removal, pays 0.3. Get to work! :lol:
 

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I'm a computer programmer. I've done almost everything to a car that is possible to do except "rebuild" stuff. But the good thing to me is that I'm not on the clock because, yes, I am slow.

I posted my thoughts specifically because I wanted you guys to debunk me and tell me what I am missing out on here, not because I wanted to be negative. So in that respect, thanks for the information.

That said, non-professionals are allowed to have opinions too. There's often so much judgment going on from the pros around here... Why? What's the benefit of even asking someone if they are a pro? Am I unwanted here because I am not a pro? Maybe ignore me if you don't like it? I don't understand the whole "pros" vs "guys that want to discuss and learn about tools" thing going on here. Every time a user asks another if they're a professional, it's in the context of "if you're not, then your opinion doesn't matter." Your post spends a lot of time discussing how to save yourself time and I see how that's valuable to you. But I am just trying to learn what some of the tools linked are used for.

I'm mostly thinking about the electrical connector aspect of this, and thinking about how the various pliers would help (if at all) and like I look at those really thin KTC pliers and I'm like... man, why would I ever want to use those? I can't think of anything I've ever done in my life that I would want to try those KTC pliers on. But they exist for a reason, right? I don't know. Maybe there is some connector you guys have found they work well on. I was hoping someone would be able to comment on that. Like, oh, these actually work really well on ____.
 
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I'm a computer programmer. I've done almost everything to a car that is possible to do except "rebuild" stuff. But the good thing to me is that I'm not on the clock because, yes, I am slow.

I posted my thoughts specifically because I wanted you guys to debunk me and tell me what I am missing out on here, not because I wanted to be negative. So in that respect, thanks for the information.

That said, non-professionals are allowed to have opinions too. There's often so much judgment going on from the pros around here... Why? What's the benefit of even asking someone if they are a pro? Am I unwanted here because I am not a pro? Maybe ignore me if you don't like it? I don't understand the whole "pros" vs "guys that want to discuss and learn about tools" thing going on here. Every time a user asks another if they're a professional, it's in the context of "if you're not, then your opinion doesn't matter"

I'm mostly thinking about the electrical connector aspect of this, and thinking about how the various pliers would help (if at all) and like I look at those really thin KTC pliers and I'm like... man, why would I ever want to use those? I can't think of anything I've ever done in my life that I would want to try those KTC pliers on. But they exist for a reason, right? I don't know. Maybe there is some connector you guys have found they work well on. I was hoping someone would be able to comment on that. Like, oh, these actually work really well on ____.


Oh, I mean no disrespect - just explaining the actual point of odd tools like this. Most people don't "get" why I love 20" long 3/8 drive ratchets, or why I spend big $$$ on labscopes and accessories. Such tools make little sense until one is up against the clock, or performing repairs outside common sense "good practice" due to cost limitations. "Just use a 1/2 drive breaker bar" or "Just disassemble and inspect" simply doesn't work when you're making a living by the minute. The breaker bar doesn't fit, meaning moving things for free. Disassembly takes time and gaskets, and I won't be paid for it either.

My opinion was just that, your lack of having the clock up against your back mean you have little or no need for some of these tools. For someone doing your own repairs, the extra 5min on a single connector is acceptable because you simply don't encounter that many. As a percentage of my life, I will spend much more time fighting electrical and "quick" disconnect fittings, thus odd tools become my best friend.

DIY people are also more likely to be working sensibly - in so far that they expect complications, and plan for them. For instance, a DIY repair of a heated PCV line on a BMW includes replacement of all the brittle and heat stressed plastic within the working area. Why? Because that's intelligent. I don't always get such a luxury, and often have to save or avoid touching parts which are objectively garbage and should be replaced. Service info says "remove bumper". Well this bumper is held on with tape, zipties, and a prayer...... guess this radiator is coming out without bumper removal.



It's not that your opinion doesn't matter, you just haven't been placed in areas where your brain has to think about these odd scenarios. Like the dodge ESIM connection on top of the tank. The DIY mindset is to simply lower the tank a bit. Tank straps ******? Well they should be replaced, common sense. I don't get that luxury, so you see mechanics going nuts over all sorts of odd tools which make our lives amazing but have no real use if you're not against the clock.


Take relative compression on a labscope. Sure, you can just take a compression test manually. But I will not be paid for that. I will be paid 1 hour maximum to diagnose, and will not paid for any disassembly. Thus you see people getting wild with borescopes, current waveforms, ANYTHING to save disassembly or a single minute.



EDIT: Another huge value for the Merry pliers are those stupid Nissan cam/crank sensor clips where you need to pull back the green lock tab then depress it with 50 ft/lbs to remove the connector.
 

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EDIT: Another huge value for the Merry pliers are those stupid Nissan cam/crank sensor clips where you need to pull back the green lock tab then depress it with 50 ft/lbs to remove the connector.

That's the exact kind of thing I was asking. That's a connector I have never pulled before and those pliers definitely seem like they suit that connector more than other connectors I have pulled. Most connectors I've used, those sorts of pliers look like they'd just slip off or just break it or something, because the ends are clearly really small. So I was wondering what kind of connector would use that sort of plier. I see the one you mentioned has a very small tab that looks somewhat awkward to use by hand.

I have learned something. Thanks.

I don't own any Nissans but I still appreciate that I know more than I did a few minutes ago.

As a DIYer, I want the cool tools too, but sometimes tools are sold and I'm not sure what applications they are good for. Sometimes a tool even looks downright silly to me, but I'm fully aware that usually that's just because I don't understand the application. So I make some post like "haha that tool looks stupid and silly to me because I don't understand it - what am I over-looking?"
 
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I have both the Merry and the KTC pliers and they both work well. I can't understand how someone who has never used a tool can make a statement as to its effectiveness. Those types of opinions are worthless.
 

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Does anyone have those lisle 35070 cable type connector pliers? Especially on how they may work on electrical connectors?

I would love to have something like that to work on electrical connectors, that would work on depressing the tabs and stay on pressing the tabs while I stick a pocket screwdriver between the two parts to pry/twist them apart.

And I’m a DIY guy that would find that useful. I’ve spent too much time and yelled too much profanity on non destructively separating electrical connectors in my life already. Or someone should tell engineers that your wrist does not turn that way, nor can you pull off a connector when your fingers are already getting pinched between two other metal parts.
 
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I’m interested in hearing about those 35070 pliers as well. After using the remote cable hose clamp pliers I can see the great advantage of locking the tab open so you have more hand position options. BTW the cable hose clamp pliers are a life changer!
 
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2ndgearrubber it's funny that you mention working on removing the O2 sensor connector from a hot cat, as that was the most recent job that I was thinking about when looking at this type of tool.

I think the locking cable type would be the most useful, but $109 dollars is a bit steep, I will probably get one of the other variants.
 

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Does anyone have those lisle 35070 cable type connector pliers? Especially on how they may work on electrical connectors?

I would love to have something like that to work on electrical connectors, that would work on depressing the tabs and stay on pressing the tabs while I stick a pocket screwdriver between the two parts to pry/twist them apart.

And I’m a DIY guy that would find that useful. I’ve spent too much time and yelled too much profanity on non destructively separating electrical connectors in my life already. Or someone should tell engineers that your wrist does not turn that way, nor can you pull off a connector when your fingers are already getting pinched between two other metal parts.

I’m interested in hearing about those 35070 pliers as well. After using the remote cable hose clamp pliers I can see the great advantage of locking the tab open so you have more hand position options. BTW the cable hose clamp pliers are a life changer!

2ndgearrubber it's funny that you mention working on removing the O2 sensor connector from a hot cat, as that was the most recent job that I was thinking about when looking at this type of tool.

I think the locking cable type would be the most useful, but $109 dollars is a bit steep, I will probably get one of the other variants.

FWIW the lisle tools listed aren't technically for connectors, they're for "quick" release plastic couplers like those found on fuel/evap/vacuum lines. IMO the cable operated lisle tool doesn't have the positive clamping force to grab and hold a connector while you unplug it. I have used it while gripping the handles myself, then unplugging the connector, but it's really outside the intended scope of the tool. They are great for their intended purpose though. They're about light consistent pressure to push the detents of the locking connector, not so much the solid PUSH required for electrical connectors.


The merry pliers seem to do well on most automotive connectors. Obviously there is no magic bullet, but when I reach for them I'm typically quite pleased, and my tired fingers thank them. They pinch the tab and give you some leverage to wiggle. Fed linked the hose gripping pliers which can be used in the same manor, but you need to be careful not to simply crush the connector with the added leverage. I should try the merry pliers out on those hateful bosch/VAG connectors, but I'm worried they will just snap the tab off. Maybe one will come in tomorrow I can play with.
 

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~ Merry pliers and the long reach cable pliers from Lisle are amazing if you don't have DIY luxuries like removing extra parts, or replacing things which are ****** and old and aught to just be replaced. ~
The merry pliers are for seized and inaccessible connectors. ~ The Merry pliers are more fore standard electrical connectors.
Fascinating ! I've always cussed at & typ broken all those newfangled connectors.

But which ones are the 'Merry' pliers? :question:
 

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IMO the cable operated lisle tool doesn't have the positive clamping force to grab and hold a connector while you unplug it. I have used it while gripping the handles myself, then unplugging the connector, but it's really outside the intended scope of the tool.

Fed linked the hose gripping pliers which can be used in the same manor, but you need to be careful not to simply crush the connector with the added leverage.

Yes, I’ve used hose gripping pliers a bit to help depress tabs, but all my hose grip pliers are like 12” or 16” long handles they don’t fit into the spaces I could really use help. it certainly would be nice to have something small that can pinch the tabs and keep them pinched while I can work on getting the two halves separated.

Re: cable style, You mention holding onto the handle To keep the force with one hand while unplugging with the other hand as being outside of the scope of the tool ... how has that worked overall? I’m looking for anything to save my fingers, just a bit more.
 
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BTW: The lisle cable pliers are $70 and less online. Nice tool to have in the arsenal if you deal with stupid "quick" disconnects regularly.
 

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Fascinating ! I've always cussed at & typ broken all those newfangled connectors.

But which ones are the 'Merry' pliers? :question:

https://www.frankstools.com/mecoplhsbain.html


I call them the "merry" pliers, since most people on here who speak of the pliers company are just referencing their connector removal pliers. KTC? makes some with changeable tips, but I figured I'd just lose them
 

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Yes, I’ve used hose gripping pliers a bit to help depress tabs, but all my hose grip pliers are like 12” or 16” long handles they don’t fit into the spaces I could really use help. it certainly would be nice to have something small that can pinch the tabs and keep them pinched while I can work on getting the two halves separated.

Re: cable style, You mention holding onto the handle To keep the force with one hand while unplugging with the other hand as being outside of the scope of the tool ... how has that worked overall? I’m looking for anything to save my fingers, just a bit more.

Eh, I wouldn't buy them for that. They're quite unstable in that use, and want to slide around on the connector a bit. It requires one hand to secure the jaws, clamping them down, realizing you didn't place them just right, etc. They'll get you out of a trick connector situation occasionally, but it's not a strongsuit of the product. I'd rather use the standard connector pliers or another work around; it's unpleasant to use them for the task.


Put it this way: ford ecoboost 3.5 crank sensor in RWD layout applications. Labor is like 5 hours, pull the drivers turbo, blah blah blah. Using a borescope viewing a mirror, and sacrificing shoulder/neck pain later that day, you can get it in/out without removing anything but a little heat shield for the wiring harness. Is that a "good" way to do it? Absolutely not. But I will do it anytime I need to, as it saves me that much time. Like you could ever unbolt one of those turbos after 100k without a $500 bill worth of consumables anyways

Same deal as using the cable pliers on electrical connectors. It "works" but not that well, and really isn't worth the hassle outside the occasional "AH-HA" moment. Same deal with the borescope into the mirror thing, it "works", but I wouldn't recommend it. For what it's worth I have WAY more of those winning moments using the cable tool on push-connect fittings. That I would recommend it for.


For electrical connectors: 90/straight/hook/compound picks, pocket screwdriver, merry connector pliers. Other stuff will win out in certain scenarios, but it's rare enough to not be worth mentioning IMO.
 
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