Construction Type

[Tscott]

Hello all,
I am currently getting ready to build a new house in a new city and we all know what that means, I get a new stand alone garage.

So my question is what ype of construction is the easiest fastest and most economical?

So far I have priced Steel buildings, frame and arch types. I have also found a company pretty near that sells engineered pole barn kits and they quoted me roughly $12600 for all the material for a 40x60x12 with 2 role up doors (1-10x12,1-10x10). From what I can tell, this is a great price compared to the same size steel buildings. This does not include the concrete pad just like the rest don't.

I have never priced out a grage before, So I have no idea what it should cost per square foot. I live in North Florida just south of Jacksonville.

I am not married to the size of 40 x 60, I realize that is a huge building. i would like a good sized shop though.

What size shops do you all have? I am coming from a standard 2 car garage and I think I may lose my mind if i have to go back to one.

I want room for at least 3 cars plus a lift. it has to be tall enough to handle my boat ( about 11' tall).

I realize i have packed alot in this post, and I apologize, but i am trying to pull together as much info as I can before i start.

 

[shopking68]

That is a very good price on that 40x60. Close to what I payed for mine a year ago. Always go big and tall, cause later on u wish u did, I am glad I went a extra 10ft and 2ft tall, that is room for a lift right there.

Its up to you on what size and how much money you want to spend

 

[Tscott]

What type of costruction did you go with? I have seen alot of block on the net, but it gets very pricey very fast.

The pole barn would be all wood with a metal web truss for high cieling clearence.

If you don't mind, how much did you pay for concrete?

Tom

 

[Tscott]

What type of costruction did you go with? I have seen alot of block on the net, but it gets very pricey very fast.

The pole barn would be all wood with a metal web truss for high cieling clearence.

If you don't mind, how much did you pay for concrete?

Tom

Bump, still looking fo some advice

 

[shopking68]

I went with wood trusses, I wanted metal but the size I was wanting I was getting very high price quotes, so I decided just to go with wood.

I payed about $80/yard for my concrete.

I had about 35-40 yards total, too much money

 

[wantedabiggergarage]

If you go wood, due to price, then a couple of things to consider!
What is the termite situation in your area?
Do you want an overhead crane, for assisting with lifting engines and such?

With the second one, you could put one steel beam across the shed, supported by two steel uprights. So you would have a crane that could be rolled across your shed.

Just my thoughts.

 

[Tscott]

Not a bad idea. I currently use a cherry picker, but the nose on my corvette is to long, so I have to pull off a front wheel and come in from the side. Not exactly easy, but it has worked so far.

I think a rolling A frame crane would be the best. I have seen one on Amercan hotrod. It looks pretty easy to build, just a single tube supported by 2 a frame supports on either side. On the show they have what apppears to be an air operated hoist of some type. It appears to move in very minute ammounts which is great for positioning heavy loads. It looks to be relatively lite and pretty mobile. and if I built it I could set it up so it collapses against a wall for storage.

So it seems like most have gone with wood frame buildings. At first I was hung up on the idea of getting a steel building ( living in Florida I like the idea of a steel building for hurricane protection) but with steel prices going crazy I dont think I want one anymore.

Did you all build you own shops or contract it out?

I am very capable of doing it myself, but to be honest with you I just dont think I have the time any longer. With the new wife and the new job I think it would be easier to pay someone else to do the work. I think I would rather spend my tiem building my cars rather than a barn to put them is.

Anyone have any ball park figures for a price per square foor to shoot for?
Nothing fancy, no heat, no air, just frame walls and smooth concrete floor.

 

[64dragnwagon]

I just spent a lot of time researching this exact question. I am building a 40' X 100' X 13' building this spring. I priced red iron, Miracle Truss, pole barns, concrete block and traditional framing. My conclusion was that traditional framing was the least expensive for me. I priced materials for 2x6 framing, wood trusses, metal siding and roof, one 10x10 and two 9x9 overhead doors, two service doors, two windows, 4" slab with 6" under the lift and 12"x 12" footers. The materials only, not including any electrical, plumbing, HVAC was $17,000. I am going to go this route since I am very experienced at traditional framing and I have never worked with steel or pole building construction. Red iron materials not including concrete ran about 25/35K, Pole building erected with concrete was about 55k, Miracle truss material only without concrete was about 35K, Concrete block was the closest at about 25K for all materials, slab, and the block being laid by a contractor. With 2x6 walls I will be able to insulate it very well and it will be easy to hang drywall on and wire for electrical. I am putting one course of block on top of the slab to gain height and get the sill plate up off the ground.

 

[Charles (in GA)]

I think a rolling A frame crane would be the best. I have seen one on Amercan hotrod. It looks pretty easy to build, just a single tube supported by 2 a frame supports on either side. On the show they have what apppears to be an air operated hoist of some type. It appears to move in very minute ammounts which is great for positioning heavy loads. It looks to be relatively lite and pretty mobile. and if I built it I could set it up so it collapses against a wall for storage.

This is a known as a Portable Gantry Crane

If you make one yourself, do the research to determine how much weight the crossbar will carry in the dead middle, the weight of the trolly and hoist should be included in this weight. If you undersize the parts and it bends or collapses, it could prove to be dangerous.

Charles

 

[chaingang]

If you are going with steel and are considering adding a beam to the structure for a crane, be sure to have the engineers figure this when they design the building. This will change the loading on the columns as the are designed for specific known loads and anything extra needs to be accounted for. As said in a previous post it could be dangerous or catastrophic.

 

[OzCop]

I built a 40x50, with 14ft walls, steel building back in 2002, with 6 inch concrete floor, white insulation, 3 four ft. long vents, 1 ten by ten roll up door, 2 twelve by twelve roll up doors, (one front, one rear) 1 walk through door and one window in front. The builder handled all the concrete work, and welded all the steel framing, wrapped it with the insulation, then covered it with metal siding. I also had a sink cabinet with hot and cold water installed. This was just north of Forth Worth, Texas in a little burg called Haslet. At that time, the total cost for EVERYTHING, including it's own 400 amp electrical and wiring, including three 220 outlets and a 120 outlet every 8 feet on each side, three on the back wall, and two on the center front wall, an outside and inside 50 amp plug, security lights all around, and large dusk to dawn on front, all for less than 40K....I could park my 35' Class A RV in there and still have room to work on, and store at least 6 other cars...
The saddest day of my life was moving from there after my spouse retired from Verizon last year (I had already been retired for several years) because she felt the need to be closer to her aging parents in KY...couldn't argue with her logic...especially if I wanted to stay married after 25 years.
Needless to say, I miss that garage and trying to put my 10 pounds of **** into a 5 pound box has been an impossible undertaking...

 

[Tscott]

Thanks for sall the info everyone. So far I am leaning towards the wood pole barn design. It seems to be the most affordable, expandable, and flexible for my needs. It will be a while before I get moving, but maybe in the next 4 or 5 months. I'll keep you all posted on the progress. Pisture a plenty will be coming.

Tom

 

[Krodad]

Have you considered ICF? (insulated concrete forms)

By default you'd have hurricane windload resistance built in and a 4hr fire wall perimeter.

 

[Tscott]

Have you considered ICF? (insulated concrete forms)

By default you'd have hurricane windload resistance built in and a 4hr fire wall perimeter.

We did look at that option for the neew house, but it looks to be to be more expensive than frame construction. For the shop, I had not thought of it for the same reason as above. As far as fire is concerned with the shop, I am not all that concerned. the shop will be a rather large space and most of the sheeting on the building will be metal and therefore will not burn. I think the risk of fire will be kept at minimum. Although I have been known to blow stuf up from time to time.

In your experience has this method of construction been more economical than I am making it out to be?

At this point I am considering all options and methods of building.

Tom