Converting attic space in ranch home - what to do with wires

[wcp0611]

I'm converting our attic space over our ranch home to living space in the coming weeks. Its not too much work besides adding more joists and subflooring it all. In years prior, we did a few remodels where some rewiring had to be done in the attic from room to room. This caused a bunch of junction boxes up there that are just nailed to the current ceiling joists. What is the code or what is the procedure for those if I close in the floor up there? Its going to be a lot of work if I have to run all new wiring to do away with the junction boxes but I read somewhere that junction boxes cannot be buried. Just looking for ideas.

 

[PCustoms]

Junction boxes all have to be accessible without removing any of the structure.

In other words, mount the box flush to the wall or floor and use a solid cover plate

 

[wyliesdiesels]

as said above, splices have to be in an accessible junction box that doesnt require removing of finishes etc.

so if you have junction boxes in the floor your options are to not cover them with flooring or run new wire.

 

[walta]

I did see this splice

“They are designed and approved for use in rework within existing structures. Splice and Tap Kits also eliminate wire nuts for installation and replace the conventional method for adding a splice or tap for non-metallic cable without the need for exposed and unsightly junction boxes. NEC approved Article 334-40b.”

Tyco Electronics Romex Splice Kit 2 Wire, 1/Clam A22899-000 - The Home Depot

Experience fast and reliable way of splicing or tapping metallic cables with this Romex Splice Kit from Tyco Electronics.

www.homedepot.com

Walta

 

[dave*99]

I did see this splice

“They are designed and approved for use in rework within existing structures. Splice and Tap Kits also eliminate wire nuts for installation and replace the conventional method for adding a splice or tap for non-metallic cable without the need for exposed and unsightly junction boxes. NEC approved Article 334-40b.”

Tyco Electronics Romex Splice Kit 2 Wire, 1/Clam A22899-000 - The Home Depot

Experience fast and reliable way of splicing or tapping metallic cables with this Romex Splice Kit from Tyco Electronics.

www.homedepot.com

Walta

I've seen several references indicating this product has been discontinued by the manufacturer. There may be some available on eBay.

 

[nadogail]

I've seen several references indicating this product has been discontinued by the manufacturer. There may be some available on eBay.

Perhaps the manufacturer became informed about their possible liability if their products were found to be “noncompliant”

 

[PCustoms]

Perhaps the manufacturer became informed about their possible liability if their products were found to be “noncompliant”

WTF does that even mean

Guarantee the know how listings work

 

[larry4406]

Your attic conversion won’t go all the way to the eaves.

Typically there are knee walls around 4-5’ tall before slope ceiling begins.

Put your junctions in the knee space accessible via an access panel.

Or put your junctions on the back wall of a closet and blanked off.

 

[dscheidt]

I did see this splice

“They are designed and approved for use in rework within existing structures. Splice and Tap Kits also eliminate wire nuts for installation and replace the conventional method for adding a splice or tap for non-metallic cable without the need for exposed and unsightly junction boxes. NEC approved Article 334-40b.”

Tyco Electronics Romex Splice Kit 2 Wire, 1/Clam A22899-000 - The Home Depot

Experience fast and reliable way of splicing or tapping metallic cables with this Romex Splice Kit from Tyco Electronics.

www.homedepot.com

Walta

The allowed uses of those by recent code is very narrow, and they're very hard to find for retail sale. Since the 14 cycle, they're only approved for repair, not for extension. That means you can use them to fix a wire hit by a nail, but not so you can add a new outlet. you can use them for extension and rework where the wire is allowed be exposed, but if you convert the space to a use where they require concealment, you have to remove them. But even in earlier cycles, where they were allowed for modification, they were required to be fished, and you don't have ceilings yet, so they'd be not allowed.

 

[whateg01]

Your attic conversion won’t go all the way to the eaves.

Typically there are knee walls around 4-5’ tall before slope ceiling begins.

Put your junctions in the knee space accessible via an access panel.

Or put your junctions on the back wall of a closet and blanked off.

That's all going to require rewiring, which op is trying to avoid. At least that's how I read it. You usually/often can't move an existing junction box without stretching (extending) some wires, which is going to require a junction box where the original one was. Yeah, that doesn't make a lot of sense, does it?

 

[wyliesdiesels]

Your attic conversion won’t go all the way to the eaves.

Typically there are knee walls around 4-5’ tall before slope ceiling begins.

Put your junctions in the knee space accessible via an access panel.

Or put your junctions on the back wall of a closet and blanked off.

how will that remove junction boxes/splices from the floor?

 

[larry4406]

how will that remove junction boxes/splices from the floor?

You undo them and chase the wire back to a point that you can junction it in an accessible location and refeed to where it needs to go.

No free lunch.