Strouty
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Red Dawn? They can ship those people over here cheap, 100 or so to a container.
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You tell him! In the UK we only let corporations and the wealthy dodge taxes.
PCO6
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Who can't take a joke now.Ladies and gentlemen, humour has left the building
EDIT: What sort of dodgy website have you linked there! "Helping" Canada's provinces join the USA?! Yikes!!!
demographic
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PCO6
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What's the old saying? ... "We're all welcome to our opinions ... but not our own facts."Touche!
There are some interesting opinions on that site but I certainly don't share most of them. I do find the facts page interesting though. For example, I was certain we drank more than our friends to the south. Who knew that the "USA has 6.8% higher alcohol consumption in terms of total liters consumed per capita
... USA 8.8 ... Canada 8.2". We have some work to do.
The wage thing was clearly stated on the news, I'll try to find it.
I have a video of chinese miners at work. Basically they are crawling around in cracks clawing at lumps of rock with their bare hands which they load into baskets and pass out to other workers. If the ground shifts they are toast as there is no shoring. Chinese miners seem to accept that their lives are insignificant and if they survive they will make a little money. Apparently there are about 5000 deaths in chinese coal mines annually.
Under the deal the Murray River Coal Mine is responsible for health and welfare of the workers and the canadian gov is not responsible? wtf?
zakmartin
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Please explain.
Gee, what happened to the good old days when US MFG"s went to China? Here the GM CEO giving oral in China. Many of you have probably seen it already.
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=Lvl5Gan69Wo
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=Lvl5Gan69Wo
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what does canada make anyway ?
Actually... The Peace River region of BC supplies metallurgical coal, used to produce steel. It's sent to China, thrown in a fire with raw iron ore, cast into bars and formed into your Harbor Freight wrenches.
I just came from Tumbler Ridge. Talking with the higher ups at Peace River Coal, they are sure the introduction of Chinese workers in that region will not be well received. Someone said they'll have to build a home on the mine site and never step foot off the property.
Now for COO origins.... I see your perspective, but keep forgetting that everything is not produced in China, Mexico or other 3rd world country. The exploration drill rigs I work on are Italian produced, but made with German steel. And they are overbuilt, and by that I mean the grade of steel is harder and thicker than the rigs built in America or China. I'm able to tell this just by how well I can drill, cut or burn a hole in the chassis, to mount accessories.
You get what you pay for, nearly twice the cost than a comparable American made drill rig.
I'm gonna buy a load of German made tools, to support their companies and prevent China from snuffing out all of their competition.
Same thing happen in the US. Alot of temporary Hispanic workers are brought into the US to do jobs American refuse to do. Then they get blame for taking jobs away from American.
You're probably just not shopping in the classy stores
And yet, no one in Canada is smart enough to do the work without training from the Chinese. You must be very proud.
Miskin
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I will give a free advice. Do not believe TV. TV lies. In every channel, in every city, in every country TV lies. If the taxes was the problem in Greece, why the same thing happen to Portugal, Spain, Ireland and now Italy? Greece is just the beginning. Other european countries will follow. Not because of the taxes, or the lazy people or something stupid TV says. Because the global economy works that way.
bcradio
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Most of your oil. Most of everything you import for that matter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_largest_trading_partners_of_the_United_States
Sweet, you guys should all be filthy rich. Figuring out how to make oil should be almost as big of a discovery as curing cancer.
KPSquared
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We are filthy rich. . .
Ok, maybe not, but the average wage in Alberta is $25/hour. That's across the board. . .I'm doing my part to try and bring that average WAY up. . .
Hell, the average cashier makes $12/hour.
I don't think this has anything to do with the Chinese miners in BC. . .hmm.
I read that they weren't allowed to leave the camps they are going to be living in...I think they already tried that with the Japanese during WWII in BC and it didn't go over so well. . .
I know you're attempting to be sarcastic, but making oil (from bitumen) is closer to the truth in this case than you probably realise. They are definitely not just pumping liquid out of the ground and into a barrel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_sands
And yes, it has made a lot of people very, very wealthy. And a whole lot more people just plain old wealthy.
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PCO6
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Ditto ... and from someone who doesn't say where he's from.One of the more ignorant comments I have seen in a while. Spoken like a true champ
what does canada make anyway ?
http://pomegranatephone.com/
The coolest thing I've seen come out of The Great White North in a while.
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TheCarbideRat
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It's not about refusing to do any certain type of work, what happens is the "job" changes into something that shouldn't be a job in America in the first place. They don't "take jobs away" they help the employers trash the labor landscape is what they do. Have a nice day.
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I am meeting a guy on Monday about building a specialized trailer. He claims he cannot hire anyone and he is down East about an hour from Toronto.
TheCarbideRat
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LOL, you call that a reply? What's wrong you don't have a brain?
All you have done is prove my point. I am a former farm worker and the conditions of the job have been brought down to untenable conditions in a race to the bottom with illegals being enticed to come here to collude with agribisness owners. I will not be living 15 people to one apartment, thanks.
I would advise you to either argue with your own reply instead of a link to a newspaper article as well as walking in our shoes before you judge us. Have a nice day.
TheCarbideRat
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That's nice. What wages and conditions is he offering and are they on a par with the expected norms of the area?
btbsandman
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I think we both read different articles. Lets just agree to disagree on this issue.
TheCarbideRat
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You are not entitiled to your own facts.
btbsandman
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I am however entitled to my own opinions. And my opinion is that you and I are reading the article differently.
TheCarbideRat
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From the comments section on that article [by the way i read that article the day it was printed]:
. . . what we should do, then, is to exploit Mexicans by giving THEM back-breaking work at low wages? What about the rest of us paying a little more for our food because the ever-whining farmers are forced to make available a better wage and better working conditions for their stoop labor?
The NYT habitually runs these articles on the invaluable work done by Illegals -- and then cries in its latte about the high unemployment rate in America.
Farmers work on supply and demand principles, same as everyone else. If they cannot take advantage of the Illegals then they will have no choice but to make it worth their while for American citizens to take these jobs. Yes, our french fries will be pricier at McDonalds and strawberrys will go up a few nickels a pint.
What a weird system liberalism is! It laments the exploitation of domestic workers and then endorses the import of foreign workers (Illegals) in order that they be exploited even worse!
With friends like this, the working man and woman do not need enemies!
. . . what we should do, then, is to exploit Mexicans by giving THEM back-breaking work at low wages? What about the rest of us paying a little more for our food because the ever-whining farmers are forced to make available a better wage and better working conditions for their stoop labor?
The NYT habitually runs these articles on the invaluable work done by Illegals -- and then cries in its latte about the high unemployment rate in America.
Farmers work on supply and demand principles, same as everyone else. If they cannot take advantage of the Illegals then they will have no choice but to make it worth their while for American citizens to take these jobs. Yes, our french fries will be pricier at McDonalds and strawberrys will go up a few nickels a pint.
What a weird system liberalism is! It laments the exploitation of domestic workers and then endorses the import of foreign workers (Illegals) in order that they be exploited even worse!
With friends like this, the working man and woman do not need enemies!
TheCarbideRat
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I'll agree that you can't [or won't] see through their flim-flam.
TheCarbideRat
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Q: A peach costs about $5 in Japan, .....know why??
btbsandman
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Then exactly what job should be an American job?
I personally think it is stupid that cheap-labor has to be utilized in order to be competitive in a a price-takers market.
However can you qualitatively and quantitatively explain the econometrics for an American job?
I would love to discuss this via PM.
I personally think it is stupid that cheap-labor has to be utilized in order to be competitive in a a price-takers market.
However can you qualitatively and quantitatively explain the econometrics for an American job?
I would love to discuss this via PM.
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btbsandman
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Simple!We have the most subsidized agriculture in the world. Consequently we pay the cheapest for food.
I work on my own ranch. So I have walked in your shoes.
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TheCarbideRat
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What job? Any job in America.
Econometrics: you mean justifying treating people as pieces of meat via a numbers game? No thanks i will leave that to the real crooks.
Maexle
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O.k., so, how can Switzerland / Germany / Sweden / Finland , be still competitive (outrageous hourly wages / taxes....), IMHO it's all in the effectiveness / automation / quality control, outsource the cheap parts / assembly with skilled super visors / good tools / automation to cheap labor countries and keep the high-tech jobs here.....
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I couldn't help but laugh at this. We buy food at a reduced cost due to government subsidies which are funded by the taxpayer to begin with. So unless you don't pay taxes you not only pay your fair share you pay yours plus the non taxpayer. I never realized this until just now.
I was going to say it kinda of seems like robbing your left pocket to pay your right but that is not true. In actuality you are robbing your left pocket, throwing away half the money, then paying your right with what is left.
foolishpride
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I totally agree with this. But what happens when the farm subsidies disappear, and farmers can no longer afford to raise corn, soybeans, and wheat? America needs farmers, but I doubt if it's economically feasible to start out farming without having the family farms passed down to you.
TheCarbideRat
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There are plenty of big money farmers too, how about subsidizing the goddam worker for once? Give the AMERICAN worker an advantage or is that too dam mucking fuch to ask?
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