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visionguru

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Our local Micro Center has a good selection of tools for electronics, used to have 4~5 German screwdrivers choices.

Here is a Felo. Impressive German engineering and workmanship! I've seen better ones at Harbor Freight.
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You say the engineering and workmanship is impressive, yet you say you've seen better screwdrivers at Harbor Freight. Count me in as confused.
 

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Probably going to regret asking but what's the issue? Flash on the handle?
 

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I have the exact same Felo driver and like it a lot. The packaging is a joke but the driver and bits are excellent. I don't store the bits in the original packaging. Mine also has some flash on the rubber part of the handle but it's not a big deal imho. I've seen flash on molded parts of screwdrivers of all price ranges. You could trim it off.
 

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I wouldn’t say Germany is immune, every country and company has klunkers now and then. But overwhelmingly most every German made tool I own is of the highest quality and workmanship.
 

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Is your opinion based on looking at them in the store or actually using the tools?

I have several German brands of tools and for the most part they have been very good quality.


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Our local Micro Center has a good selection of tools for electronics, used to have 4~5 German screwdrivers choices.

Here is a Felo. Impressive German engineering and workmanship! I've seen better ones at Harbor Freight.

Is there an issue with the screwdriver? :headscrat
 

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A bit of flashing is normal. If you want to make fun of German tools, you poke fun at tools that are poorly thought out. Knipex has at least one or two pliers designs that look kind of useless like the Raptor.
 

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I thought buying a nice German made pair of Knipex I wouldn't have to deal with sharp factory edges like I do with Channellock and Klein. FALSE. They're still great pliers but seems that things like deburring aren't a priority for many modern pliers mfgs.
 

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I wouldn't say 'above ridicule.' Sometimes the German stuff is ridiculed for being "too complicated" or "overengineered." Or because "hey, why aren't the Germans perfect?" But I think I'd have to point out two things:

1. I have on more than one occasion borrowed a tool from my dad or a friend, thought "darn, this is really good" and when I've looked on it for a brand or marking have found an obscure private label and the words "Made in Germany." I think that says something when even contract produced items that are not part of 'brand image' strategies are noticeably well made and functional.

2. In manufacturing the small cleanup operations can be quite expensive, especially when using high-cost German labor. I would kind of see it as a positive that really good bits and handles are available at a moderate price, and minor flash and packaging were what was compromised to keep the cost low, not offshoring to cheaper labor, or using inferior steel.

I wouldn't say it's a 100% guarantee, I do have a set of extractors that were German made that I'd give a fail, but I'd say that I see a much stronger correlation between the quality and the COO with Germany than anywhere else, YMMV.
 

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Are you really complaining about a VDE certified insulated bitholder and 11 bits, in a store, for $20?

Some flashing on a place where hands will never go seems like a reasonable bit of cost cutting to get...a VDE certified insulated bitholder and 11 bits in a case for just $20.
 
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It's like newegg with a store front in east coast mostly....

We have on in socal.


I love Microcenter. When I built my PC, I used pcpartpicker to find the best online prices, and microcenter price matched everything so I wouldn't have to wait on shipping and returns/exchanges would be easier.
 

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Our local Micro Center has a good selection of tools for electronics, used to have 4~5 German screwdrivers choices.

Here is a Felo. Impressive German engineering and workmanship! I've seen better ones at Harbor Freight.
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You got to be kidding right? I smell troll
 

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You got to be kidding right? I smell troll

Might not be... the tools at Microcenter is not the sharpest of the bunch many of the case almost junk... but some of the stuff are hard to find especially pc parts, like the long reach security torx bits and the smaller screw driver sets.. Hobby grade and geared toward hobby stuff or IT guys ... so... so the picture of that screw driver is probably consider premium grade or what nots.

I think OP might be just pointing out that it is made in Germany but not so much the grades of tools you normally see that is out of Germany...
 

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$20 set of German tools, that does not have the fit and finish, of a NASA Mars Lander? :headscrat

No wonder SBD is in no big hurry, for releasing the re-shored Cman hand tools.

IMO the finish and quality of HF screwdrivers is pretty good.
 
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While I would judge a tool on how it works, I do agree with the OP that the flashing make the tool look substandard.
 

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Ouch... That can make whole lot of problems in functionality...
 

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Ouch... That can make whole lot of problems in functionality...

Likely not, but at one time, no self-respecting German Company, would put out a product with a finish, that looks like it came from Big Lots.

That not how it works (worked), but for twenty bucks, maybe they just don't give a **** any more, like everybody else.

That might have been the point.
 
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Here's mine. The flash is tiny and it's located on the ferrule, not the grip, so I haven't bothered to trim it off. This is a common site for flash and shown in the photo of the PB Swiss driver by another forum member. On the Felo, it's soft rubber, not hard plastic. The entire handle is over molded with soft rubber. The black cap is hard plastic. The shaft is over molded with hard plastic. It's quite nice in my opinion. I also like the bits. Here's a photo of a Felo slotted next to a $3 PB Swiss slotted. The profile is very similar to the "parallel tip".

I bought mine for $13.88 shipped free during a sale at Detroit Metalworking. They also gave away a free Bondhus hex key set with every purchase during the sale. They are also sold locally at Fleet Farm for around $20.

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I have one and it looks perfectly fine to me. Looks like that one got beat up during shipping and handling, and is quite dirty too. Possibly a return put back on the shelf?
 

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Likely not, but at one time, no self-respecting German Company, would put out a product with a finish, that looks like it came from Big Lots.

That not how it works (worked), but for twenty bucks, maybe they just don't give a **** any more, like everybody else.

That might have been the point.



Normally the injection point is on the inside, out of sight. Try doing that with a screwdriver handle. The PB and Felo have that from the production process, why make a tool more expensive trying to get rid of a small dot of 3mm that has no negative impact on the tool whatsoever?

Open up a injection molded tool, chances are it’s a real shitshow with toolmarks, flashing, ejector spots and die reworks.
 

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While I'll admit the flashing is a bit sloppy, the rest of the hold molding (where you actually hold it) looks excellent.

I used to work in manufacturing - a modern shop with million dollar multi-spindle CNC machines. I'm really not even sure if we could have bought all the materials, machined the screwdriver shaft, broached the hex, and then make all the bit inserts for less than $20 our cost. The fact that they can make that thing in Germany, and sell it for $20 at a profit is amazing.
 

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Y'all the prissiest bunch of old ladies sitting on a forum polishing screwdriver handles I've ever seen. It's a bit cringey tbh
 
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