COO ridicule, Germany is immune?

[bob15]

Here's mine. The flash is tiny and it's located on the ferrule, not the grip, so I haven't bothered to trim it off. This is a common site for flash and shown in the photo of the PB Swiss driver by another forum member. On the Felo, it's soft rubber, not hard plastic. The entire handle is over molded with soft rubber. The black cap is hard plastic. The shaft is over molded with hard plastic. It's quite nice in my opinion. I also like the bits. Here's a photo of a Felo slotted next to a $3 PB Swiss slotted. The profile is very similar to the "parallel tip"

You can actually use that driver with the flash on it? You mean it doesn't affect it performance and usage? Wow, who would have thought?

 

[ChrisLS8]

This I do find sloppy and not what I expected from knipex.

This I can kind of agree with only cause how much they go for. It doesn't affect performance at all so I could never be bothered to try and exchange it

 

[Jack84]

This I can kind of agree with only cause how much they go for. It doesn't affect performance at all so I could never be bothered to try and exchange it

Indeed, like I said. Not what I expected. No reason not to use it, it’s an awesome tool.

 

[zendriver]

Normally the injection point is on the inside, out of sight. Try doing that with a screwdriver handle. The PB and Felo have that from the production process, why make a tool more expensive trying to get rid of a small dot of 3mm that has no negative impact on the tool whatsoever?

Open up a injection molded tool, chances are it’s a real shitshow with toolmarks, flashing, ejector spots and die reworks.

I've never seen any flash on the dozen of screwdrivers, purchased from HF, or from most the hundreds of other ones, from many other manufacturers, I have used over the decades.

IMO It's not that the flash occurs, but that it it still on the product.

It used to be an employee's responsibility to remove it.

Now apparently it's the customer's.

I agree, that the tool functions just fine.

 

[dogdog]

LOL I think the OP is just pointing out the double standard you guys have between the COOs... Not that the tool is not functional... but given the response... you guys basically confirmed it.



I don't think this post is about the functionality of the tool...

 

[chevy302dz]

LOL I think the OP is just pointing out the double standard you guys have between the COOs... Not that the tool is not functional... but given the response... you guys basically confirmed it.



I don't think this post is about the functionality of the tool...

I'm pretty sure this was the point also.

 

[finn]

Y'all the prissiest bunch of old ladies sitting on a forum polishing screwdriver handles I've ever seen. It's a bit cringey tbh

Agree: creepy is the best I can do to describe the hand wring.

They’re for working with, not looking at.

 

[measuredtwice]

LOL I think the OP is just pointing out the double standard you guys have between the COOs... Not that the tool is not functional... but given the response... you guys basically confirmed it.



I don't think this post is about the functionality of the tool...

Sounds like the only thing that is confirmed is trolling. Nobody said flash is okay on the ferrule of German tools but not China tools.

In fact several of us criticized other German tools. I said the packaging is a joke. Someone pointed out a flaw in a Knipex.

I haven't made any comment about COO in this topic. I've only commented on the screwdriver... But why does every Harbor Freight smell so terrible.

This JKS USA (photo below) is the worst flash that I've seen on a screwdriver. This is not really acceptable imo. It's made in the USA but it is a cheapo with low quality materials, manufacturing, and finishing.

 

[1cargarage]

It's like newegg with a store front in east coast mostly....

We have on in socal.


I love Microcenter. When I built my PC, I used pcpartpicker to find the best online prices, and microcenter price matched everything so I wouldn't have to wait on shipping and returns/exchanges would be easier.

Got it. I'd never heard of it. Sounds like Fry's Electronics. I know Fry's has a little section for (primarily) little tools. I've seen some neat stuff there from some brands I had never heard of.

As far as the inexcusable lack of QC for the FELO drive in question... I have nothing to say. Could I be speechless? Or is it just noise? I guess I'll never know.

 

[Jack84]

Likely not, but at one time, no self-respecting German Company, would put out a product with a finish, that looks like it came from Big Lots.

That not how it works (worked), but for twenty bucks, maybe they just don't give a **** any more, like everybody else.

That might have been the point.

Define “at one time”. Maybe I have some old stuff laying around to compare.

 

[Aaron_W]

Meh, Germany is Switzerland's China.

 

[1cargarage]

Meh, Germany is Switzerland's China.

This is hilarious.

Although I'd wager Germany is more like their Taiwan and Eastern European companies are their PRC (If we were to extend the metaphor?).

 

[zendriver]

Define “at one time”. Maybe I have some old stuff laying around to compare.

I've never owned German drivers, but I have had pliers and used German manufacturing and consumer equipment, from decades ago.

It all always seems to be very smooth, ergonomic, tight and solid.

Maybe the OP set was just a fluke.

Personally, If I had receive those as a gift, I'd be grateful but annoyed with the rough way they look.

 

[usdemt]

The last 3 sets of car tires I bought came with flash on them. They looked like they had fur!!!! It takes forever to flush cut all those little ends off. But dont worry, now they are much better and I will be going with re treads next time as I hear they dont have the same problem.

 

[Jack84]

German manufacturing and consumer equipment, from decades ago.

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Found a German made flathead from decades ago and you’re right. This one doesn’t have flashing at all.

 

[zendriver]

Found a German made flathead from decades ago and you’re right. This one doesn’t have flashing at all.

My point was never about what material, it was made of.

FWIW I have seen enough tools, with crappy. poor fitting wood handles, but the image you posted, looks to be great quality and fit.

It's probably just OCD me, as about the only plastic things I want to see, with the flashing still attached, would be a model car kit.

 

[LXCam]

Found a German made flathead from decades ago and you’re right. This one doesn’t have flashing at all.

Ahh yes, from back in the day when they took pride with injection molded wood.

 

[American Locomotive]

Ahh yes, from back in the day when they took pride with injection molded wood.

You joke, but Vessel does it:

 

[LXCam]

100% natural real imitated simulated wood.

You joke, but Vessel does it:

 

[Lassen Forge]

You know how silly this is?

If I got a set of drivers with that flash, and it bothered me, I'd probably get out my lighter and melt it down smooth or break out the xacto blades and trim it myself... I've done that with tools regatdless of COO. I'm usually buying a tool because I need it to do a job... not because it necessarily looks pretty.

There's a lot of reasons this happens, but usually it's either because presses and molds wear, or it saves 12 cents off each tool's production to not have the natural gas burners that would normally melt this manufacturing flash down to the handle. Just like any other business the owner is trying to squeeze an extra cent out of profit out of each euro to make payroll, pay their taxes, pay their overhead.

 

[1cargarage]

100% natural real imitated simulated wood.

They joke. The real fake wood driver handles from Vessel are actually quite nice. My local hardwood and hardware store stocks Vessel and the real fake wood set calls my name every time I go in there.

 

[Bigblue&Goldie]

They joke. The real fake wood driver handles from Vessel are actually quite nice. My local hardwood and hardware store stocks Vessel and the real fake wood set calls my name every time I go in there.

I have a set and like them. The way they grind their tips works well for modern guns. Mine are my "in house" set, so they don't get oily/greasy. I think they look bitchin also.

 

[American Locomotive]

But the whole point is to get them oily and greasy! I was working on the oil tank of a machine once, and had to tighten a hose clamp down in the sump sitting in 400 gallons of oil. The shop's Wera and Wiha "non-slip" drivers were useless - couldn't even get a tiny bit of torque at all on them. The Vessels didn't slip at all in comparison.

Granted after months of that kind of stuff, the handles started looking nasty. A quick shot with electrical contact cleaner always dissolved the oil right back out though.

 

[Nineeightyone]

For whatever reason, GJ seems to love to pick on China/Taiwan, but German (and Czech, looking at you Wera) are excluded.

Personally, I love my Wera items, though they're a little pricey. Tekton has also been rolling out some tools from Taiwan that are, in my opinion, top-notch.

 

[measuredtwice]

For whatever reason, GJ seems to love to pick on China/Taiwan, but German (and Czech, looking at you Wera) are excluded.

Personally, I love my Wera items, though they're a little pricey. Tekton has also been rolling out some tools from Taiwan that are, in my opinion, top-notch.

Nah. It's just the China/Taiwan fanboys love to play the victim while they troll and shill for Harbor Freight.

Some of Wera and Wiha products are actually made in China/Taiwan.

If it weren't for the shilling and trolling for China/Taiwan, I doubt there would be much fighting about it.

Quote below is the most obvious spam that I've seen and guess who it's for... Yep. Harbor Freight. Posted today.

Screwdriver, tool, usually hand-operated, for turning screws with slotted heads. For screws with one straight diametral slot cut across the head, standard screwdrivers with flat blade tips and in a variety of sizes are used. Special screws with cross-shaped slots in their heads require a special screwdriver with a blade tip that fits the slots. The most common special screw is the Phillips head (Phillips Screw) .

The screwdriver shank is made of tough steel, and the tip is hardened to minimize wear. The handle is made of wood, metal, or plastic.

If a screw cannot be reached with a straight-shank screwdriver, an offset screwdriver is used; this tool has no handle but has a shank with a right-angle bend at both ends. One blade tip is in line with the shank, and the other is at right angles to the shank.
Screwdriver bits can be clamped in a brace, an automatic handle that rotates on being pushed toward the screwhead, or a gear reduction drive in a power drill.

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[Seanny]

You joke, but Vessel does it:

I thought the Vessels were resin mixed with wood?


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[dogdog]

Nah. It's just the China/Taiwan fanboys love to play the victim while they troll and shill for Harbor Freight.

Some of Wera and Wiha products are actually made in China/Taiwan.

If it weren't for the shilling and trolling for China/Taiwan, I doubt there would be much fighting about it.

Quote below is the most obvious spam that I've seen and guess who it's for... Yep. Harbor Freight. Posted today.

Some people just can't handle the truth, no matter how much it is smacking them on the face.

 

[Ryan]

Nah. It's just the China/Taiwan fanboys love to play the victim while they troll and shill for Harbor Freight.

Some of Wera and Wiha products are actually made in China/Taiwan.

If it weren't for the shilling and trolling for China/Taiwan, I doubt there would be much fighting about it.

Quote below is the most obvious spam that I've seen and guess who it's for... Yep. Harbor Freight. Posted today.

I've banned that user and sent an email to Harbor Freight requesting a response. I sure hope that's not a paid bot...

 

[measuredtwice]

Some people just can't handle the truth, no matter how much it is smacking them on the face.

Your trolling proves my point.

I've banned that user and sent an email to Harbor Freight requesting a response. I sure hope that's not a paid bot...

Thank you.

 

[jacked_72]

Damn. Now I have to read the whole thread to see who got banned and why.

 

[Jack84]

They joke. The real fake wood driver handles from Vessel are actually quite nice. My local hardwood and hardware store stocks Vessel and the real fake wood set calls my name every time I go in there.

I want to try them someday, heard positive things about them.

 

[dogdog]

Your trolling proves my point.



Thank you.

Just some one that points out the truth and your fallacy is trolling ?

 

[dogdog]

Damn. Now I have to read the whole thread to see who got banned and why.

Ryan is referring to this guy "evanroman"

 

[Ryan]

Your trolling proves my point.



Thank you.

All good... but please stop with the trolling accusations, drama, and what not. We are talking about tools here... not politics, religion, or college football... There's no need for it man.

 

[Ryan]

Ok, talked to HF... They say the spam is not coming from them. I will continue to watch it obviously.

 

[measuredtwice]

All good... but please stop with the trolling accusations, drama, and what not. We are talking about tools here... not politics, religion, or college football... There's no need for it man.

Ryan. If you look at my first 2 posts in this topic, they are only about the driver shown in the photo. It was dogdog that made this discussion about the people posting here rather than the tools themselves

LOL I think the OP is just pointing out the double standard you guys have between the COOs... Not that the tool is not functional... but given the response... you guys basically confirmed it.



I don't think this post is about the functionality of the tool...

And his post below had no purpose except to be insult.

Some people just can't handle the truth, no matter how much it is smacking them on the face.

If it hadn't been for folks like dogdog throwing insults, then my only posts would have been about the tools. Dogdog took it off topic with insults.

 

[Ryan]

Ryan. If you look at my first 2 posts in this topic, they are only about the driver shown in the photo. It was dogdog that made this discussion about the people posting here rather than the tools themselves



And his post below had no purpose except to be insult.



If it hadn't been for folks like dogdog throwing insults, then my only posts would have been about the tools. Dogdog took it off topic with insults.

Right on. I hate reading that stuff... It bores the hell out of me. Next time, just report it rather than respond to it.

Thanks!