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The angle grinder thread got me thinking about one of the most startling learnings I've had about tools-- right up there with air compressors being rated by suction flow;).

Namely, what is the actual difference between an angle grinder rated 6 amps vs 9 amps vs 12amps or 15 amps? If you plug these grinders into a metered outlet and measure the current draw with no load, you'll find nothing at all like the rating amperage.

And if you dig in hard on a tool, you'll find you can pull far more current than the rating amperage. I've had a 4.5" grinder trip a 15a breaker when I was seriously abusing it with an oversized cup brush and extension cord doing cast iron cookware refinishing and it's rated nowhere near 15 amps. It was so hot it was burning my hands through leather gloves.

Conversely, you can plug in a 15a beast of a grinder and get a no load draw as low as 6amps. What gives?

The Amperage rating is a measure of MAX POWER DISSIPATION-- in other words, cooling capacity. It's the most amount of current that the tool can sustain indefinitely on some standardized test lab condition (temp, humidity, etc).

This is why we see so many angle grinders "burn up" -- they get full of particles and debris and they loose their cooling capacity. Especially in metal shops where metallic dust is attracted to motor magnets.
What the current rating CANNOT tell you is how efficient the tool is. It tells you nothing about the motor's current draw as a function of load. It only tells you how much current the thing can flow before it will start to overheat, as defined by whatever temperature threshold is the operating limit of the test protocol .

And of course, that current rating is a clean, fresh, new tool used in a spanky clean lab. What's the real current/heat capacity of that crusty old Makita caked in rusty dust? Nobody knows. But certainly less than new.

This is why when you use otherwise identical tools-- like a 4.5" angle grinder-- with vastly different current ratings, the first thing you will observe about the high amp tool is the cooling flow. The high amp tools move a LOT of air compared to their low amp counterparts. They are much louder and noisier.
The implications of this knowledge are pretty significant. For example, if you have mostly light duty work to do, a low-amp grinder might not only be cheaper, but it will almost certainly be lighter and MIGHT LAST LONGER.

Last longer? Yes. Because the rate at which dust and debris is sucked into the motor is a function of fan airflow rate, given the same amount of crud in the air. Less airflow, less debris intrusion.

If you have a high amp grinder, wrap a rag around the air inlet ports and do some light work with it. Take note of just how much crud appears on the rag-- crud that your tool would have ingested.

It turns out that corded power tool selection is like many other things in life, more is not always better.

These days, I prefer the smallest lightest 4.5" grinder I can get. I grab it first.
 
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My experiences doesn't agree. I've killed four 4 1/2 grinders in the 4.5 to 6 amp range before I finally upgraded to an 11 amp Milwaukee 4 1/2 grinder that has done more work than the previous four combined and is still going strong.
 

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I think you both may be correct. Big grinder for big jobs, but a smaller grinder for light jobs might make more sense, especially in a dirty environment.
 
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My experiences doesn't agree. I've killed four 4 1/2 grinders in the 4.5 to 6 amp range before I finally upgraded to an 11 amp Milwaukee 4 1/2 grinder that has done more work than the previous four combined and is still going strong.
it really depends on the kind of work you are doing, so I'm not sure we disagree so much as your data point is from a different point on the spectrum, which is totally reasonable.
Also, I wanted to point out that it's often apples to oranges to compare across amperage ratings because unless the tools are from the same brand and have similar design theory, there's a lot more to it than just amperage rating.
I'd put an 8amp Makita SJS up against just about anything, regardless of amp rating.
 

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You are technically right. But generally all grinders use universal brushed motors, which all have similar efficiency, so different amperages are comparable.

So an 11a motor is going to be more powerful than a 6a. This breaks down when you compare brushless vs brushed tools. It's entirely possible for a 6a brushless to have more jam than an 8a brushed.

Some manufacturers, DeWalt mainly, have also started publishing output or shaft power of their tools. Which obviously is a more accurate way of comparing power.
 
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You are technically right. But generally all grinders use universal brushed motors, which all have similar efficiency, so different amperages are comparable.

So an 11a motor is going to be more powerful than a 6a. This breaks down when you compare brushless vs brushed tools. It's entirely possible for a 6a brushless to have more jam than an 8a brushed.

Some manufacturers, DeWalt mainly, have also started publishing output or shaft power of their tools. Which obviously is a more accurate way of comparing power.
Agreed.
Amperages might be comparable in power output, but not comparable in durability, as the post I was replying to was talking about how upgrading to the higher amp grinder went from failure to non failure. That was the context and why amperage alone isn't the reason a grinder fails or doesn't.

But, as you point out, amperage does generally indicate power output because its so highly correlated.

There are still some rather sketchy claims out there. MetaboHPT claims my 7" GA18 has 2500W of output. I'm not sure how you can get 2500W from an 1800W outlet? I suppose if you put in a 20a breaker it can pull even more power up to 2400w?

I can say this about that grinder-- I've yet to find a load high enough that it really even breaks a sweat. Just an absolute beast.
 

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Motor efficiency varies.
Some tool companies, particularly ones that make or made tools for industrial use, used yo publish input and output amperage or watt ratings.
Simply because a tool has a lower wattage or amperage rating, doesn’t mean the tool is less powerful though.
The Dewalt DW625 “3horsepower” router was tested at one point by a woodworking magazine, and beat a 15 amp rated Bosch router. (the magazine was testing the actual maximum torque the routers could produce)
Black & Decker/Dewalt had been tweaking the engineering on the router for decades judging by different variations of the model.
 

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There's some truth to all of that. But mentioning no load draw is pointless as the motor only draws enough current to do the task at hand. So spinning a disk in open air via a geartrain is pretty light work, no matter the rating of the grinder. Maybe with a disclaimer of all else being equal, your post might be more accurate, but my I've killed one old harbor freight grinder and none of my dewalt. Small sample size, sure. I can tell you this, I can lean into my dewalt where doing so on the old orange harbor freight grinder stalls it. That's where the amp rating means something. One could probably apply your theory to a low-amp grinder if you continually stall it out, meaning only heat generation with no air flow. Sticking within the 4-5 inch variety, I'll continue to use my 15A dewalts over my 8A (or whatever they are) harbor freight grinders for heavy work.
 
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To be sure, an amp rating might only have the lab value of higher cooling/power dissipation, but it certainly *usually* means just a more robust and capable tool. I don't doubt your experience at all. I'm just suggesting that some of your experience is explained by other factors: DeWalt vs HF brand(quality differences), having beefier bearings, etc.

If your DeWalt had the cooling passages restricted that it reduced the "rating" to 8a or such, it would still have a larger motor, beefier bearings, better debris ingress protection, etc.

In other words, it's not the cooling capacity that makes it a better grinder. It's a better grinder for lots of reasons, one of which is better cooling.
 
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