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kornjulio

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OK - so here's my situation: I have a DeWalt 12V cordless drill. Bought it about 15 years ago & works fine - even has a Jacobs chuck. I'm now on my 2nd set of batteries, and they're failing.

Replacement batteries ain't cheap; so am I better off getting a new drill kit or just keep buying batteries? Are the new drills better or worse than the old ones?

Help!!!
 
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Strouty

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The newer drills are better, but your 12 volt batteries will have a longer life cycle than the newer batteries with higher voltage. I am assuming they are nicads. The new batteries charge faster and hotter, this hurts the batteries and shortens the life. I would look on ebay, some guys actually replace the cells in your battery packs. That may be cheaper.
 

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toss them old ni-cads.

i have lithium all around, some 12v some 18v and some 36v.

my batteries take serious abuse and are still alive and kicking.

they indeed will out perform any other battery (nicd or nimh)

i had a 12v nicad dewalt, replaced a battery pack at 70 bucks, then looked up a new drill of the exact model, the new drill with 2 batts and charger was cheaper than a battery pack.

so do yourself a favor, retire the dewalt, and move onto lithium 18v. you will be very happy you did!!!
 

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Cordless drills have a place, but I've become disenfranchized with them. I've converted back to corded, and I'm doing just fine.
Found an old Skil drill - pukey grey polycarbonate body - at the local Habitat store for $12. "No time limit lifetime warranty" sticker still visible on th handle. Had a new trigger and 12' power cord installed on it - allows me to walk around and reach everywhere on a unit while plugged into the AC disconnect. Never have a lack of torque problem, and no batteries to quit right in the middle of a job. Best option IMHO.
 

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i did away with cords a few years ago, and cant turn back.

i get lots of work done with one charge, then when it dies, i have the other all ready to work.

i have more than just 2 batteries for each style that i have.

4 m18 batteries, 4 36v batteries, 4 bosch 12v batts, 3 12v milwaukee batts.


plenty to get me through the work.

i never have to wait for one to charge.
 

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I agree that the Ni-Cd batteries are crappy but when my Dewalt batteries died (2nd time...:mad:) I found replacements on Amazon for 1/3 of what they were at the hardware or tool store. As I recall, Batteries Plus price wasn't too far off, either.
That is, if you can't bring yourself to buy a whole new drill.
 

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It just seems a damn shame to toss an otherwise perfectly good drill just because the battery died and the replacement is so horribly expensive. I'm like the OP.. have a Dewalt 12V drill with 2 dead packs. I love that drill - so nicely balanced, plenty of power, got me through many jobs. But, our throwaway society now dictates I buy a whole new drill all for the sake of a battery.
 

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We send them to interstate up the street to get rebuilt. They do it within two days. I don't know what it costs, I'll try to remember to check tomorrow. If you have an interstate near you, call them.
 

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Here is a good tip and I read on this.Remove the batteries from the tool when the tool is not in use.Batteries last longer and read this in Handy Magazine a few years ago on power tool batteries which did an article on this.I get this magazine since I am a master life member of the Handyman Club of America.Another way to kill power tool batteries is tape the trigger down and this is a huge no.If you hear anyone doing this,telling you this and they are full of BS.Damage will be done,reverses the battery cells and ruins the cells in the process.this was in the article too
 
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open up the battery packs and see what type of batteries are inside...usually they will be small lower voltage batteries soldered together in series. Look online there are tons of merchants out there.
I also saw on the www.instructables.com a method to break down the crystalline dendrite structures that form in the batteries, causing a "memory" never allowing them to fully charge. It suggested using a MIG welder and utilizing this process I was able to revive several of my old ni-cad batteries. Don't know if any of that helps.
 

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The 12V and under tools are so nice when the job doesn't require the bigger tool. Keep the drill and either send them to http://www.voltmanbatteries.com/servlet/StoreFront to get rebuilt or buy the cells and do it yourself. The packs require sub c cells. The 12V pack has 10 of them.
As far as lithium having more power than nicad or nimh that's bs. 12V is 12V no matter what battery chemistry you use. Lithium has horrible cold performance and the batteries lose 5-10% a year from the day they are produced. I still prefer them over nicads but I would never get rid of a tool because it was not lithium.
 

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I have two LI battery operated tools now and I wouldn't go back. Lit Ion is the only way to go. Charge fast and hold their charge for a longer time.
 

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Just don't throw it away. A few months back the local Rural King store (kind of a Wal Mart for farmers) ran an add on 18V Dewalt cordless drills with charger and 2 batteries for $159 minus $100 trade in for ANY cordless drill with charger and at least one battery. Making the final price $59. I went through the shop and rounded up 6 old cordless drills including one $29 HF model and traded them all in on new drills. So for $354 I got 6 18V Dewalt drills, 6 chargers and 12 18V battery packs. Pays to be a pack rat sometimes.
 

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The 12V and under tools are so nice when the job doesn't require the bigger tool. Keep the drill and either send them to http://www.voltmanbatteries.com/servlet/StoreFront to get rebuilt or buy the cells and do it yourself. The packs require sub c cells. The 12V pack has 10 of them.
As far as lithium having more power than nicad or nimh that's bs. 12V is 12V no matter what battery chemistry you use. Lithium has horrible cold performance and the batteries lose 5-10% a year from the day they are produced. I still prefer them over nicads but I would never get rid of a tool because it was not lithium.



12v is not 12v.

power is not delivered just by the voltage.

battery capacity is everything.

this is where the mah com in to play.

mah - milliamp hour, or amp hour. literally meaning so many amps per hour.

the lower the mah, the lower the capacity, which means lower run time, and less power.

nicd and nimh have massive voltage drop, as long as your drilling, the voltage is dropping.

with lithium, the voltage does not drop until the capacity starts to dwindle.

so the battery with the highest mah-capacity, will last the longest, and will work the hardest of all your batteries.

higher voltage will allow for a higher powered electric motor which will deliver more torque.


i know, because i run R/C cars. so im all about the batteries.

for example: (my voltages may be off a littleas im not sitting here with my fluke and battery packs)lithium 18v pack, will probably have a full charge of around 20v.

it will stay at 20v for about 80% of the charge, then down to 18v, then to about 13v, in which your battery circutry will cut off the power to the drill so the lithium cells dont go below a certain voltage, if they do, the are permantly dead.


nimh and nicd cells, are charged up to about 19 or 20v on an 18v battery.

as soon as you start drilling, the voltage immediatly goes down---a few hundredths of a volt every few seconds.

and the tool user will usually run it down until the damn thing is dead and will go and recharge. these cells do not require a cut off feature.

so i have proven to myself time after time that the lithium cells are in deed the best battery chemistry on the market today.

im sure there will be a new technology soon, but as of now, lithium power is the way to go.

i chucked my 12v nicd dewalt and once i drilled with my m18 milwaukee, i forgot all about the dewalt until i read this thread. i chucked it a year ago.


so a 12v nicd or nimh will die sooner than a lithium 12v

you will have way more time and power with the lithium because lithium cells can carry a much higher capactiy.
 
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I have 18v nicad Dewalts at work and 18v Milwaukee lithiums at work and the Dewalt outperforms the Milwaukee hands down.The lithium battery spends too much time cutting out to "protect itself" while the nicad Dewalt keeps working and working.Time is money,I can't afford to wait for lithium batteries to "protect themselves" and effect my productivity.With heavy use you never know if when you pull the trigger the Milwaukee is going to work or do nothing.The Dewalt works everytime I pull the trigger.
 

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OK - so here's my situation: I have a DeWalt 12V cordless drill. Bought it about 15 years ago & works fine - even has a Jacobs chuck. I'm now on my 2nd set of batteries, and they're failing.

Replacement batteries ain't cheap; so am I better off getting a new drill kit or just keep buying batteries? Are the new drills better or worse than the old ones?

Help!!!

Step up to an 18volt, it's not much more than two 12 volt batteries and you'll never look back.
 

beelsr

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i'm in the same boat. i have 5-6 drills, a couple hand saws and an impact driver in dewalt 14.4v. I'm down to 1 really good battery, 1 OK battery and a dozen crappy ones. They've been "weldered" but they only last a couple more months after that. :mad:

Of course, my father-in-law "lost" the really nice all-metal 1/2" chuck drill with a new battery on it in the last few months... <grrr>:bitchslap

My current plan is to take a video of all the tools running and sell them all (except the impact driver) on ebay. Video showing it running seems to help resale on chainsaws which means I'll get $5 instead of $2....
</grrr>
 
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