Cordless impact

[danski0224]

I'm not geting the Snap-On. It uses inferior battery technology. I'm sure when the next line of batteries comes out they will be lith-ion but then I have to go spend extra money to upgrade.

And LiIon is superior how?

Same batteries that are used in laptops- the batteries permanently degrade over time.

LiIon doesn't work worth a damn when it is below 40*F.... yeah, I see you are in CA.

The only thing going is the power density... which means an 18v LiIon is lighter than an 18v NiCd or NiMh.

I certainly would not base a purchasing decision on the type of battery used by the manufacturer.

 

[Bo Heck]

This is some weird logic.

And LiIon is superior how?

Same batteries that are used in laptops- the batteries permanently degrade over time.

ALL batteries permanently degrade over time LiIon does it slower, allows more recharges, does not have the "memory" that NiCad has, its simply better.

LiIon doesn't work worth a damn when it is below 40*F.... yeah, I see you are in CA.

I've never had my phone suddenly stop working in temperatures below freezing plus an 80mph+ windchill from being on my hip on a motorcycle for 3+ hours. In any case, like you said, he lives in Cali so its not a factor anyway. I live in Georgia though, so I've never tried to frame a house in a blizzard.

The only thing going is the power density... which means an 18v LiIon is lighter than an 18v NiCd or NiMh.

Which is a GREAT reason to get LiIon, more power, less weight. Maybe I'm missing something.

 

[Shehzada]

Hondas are known to have very stubborn crankshaft pulley bolts. Sometimes you can't take them off with 3/4 inch air tools.

I have two HF impact wrenches. One rated at 240 ft/lbs (120V electric) and the other one rated at 200 ft/lbs (12V electric). I have used these 2 wrenches while working on my Accord and CR-V and haven't had any issue removing the hardest suspension bolts.

I never abuse them or overheat them and they have worked fine. Additionally....a penetrating spray (Gibbs) works wonders if sprayed 15 minutes prior to removing the bolt(s).

 

[speed bump]

And LiIon is superior how?

Same batteries that are used in laptops- the batteries permanently degrade over time.

LiIon doesn't work worth a damn when it is below 40*F.... yeah, I see you are in CA.

The only thing going is the power density... which means an 18v LiIon is lighter than an 18v NiCd or NiMh.

I certainly would not base a purchasing decision on the type of battery used by the manufacturer.

The Bosch's and even the ****** Dewalts haven't ever done that to me. I had a couple of them in a 0°F freezer for better than an hour one time while I was working and I never lost light or drill power. My dad has various batteries in installations that are hell on earth come January and he hasn't ever had a problem with them. What kind of batteries where you using?

 

[spazzer]

I got two older snap-on cordless impacts. A 3/8" CT3110 12v and a 1/2" CT3450 14.4v. The CT3450 will remove lugnuts from Tahoes/Silverados all day at 140 ft. lbs. I used it a lot a few years ago but now I keep it in the trunk of the car. I use the CT3110 for lighter-duty work. I also bought a 1/2" 14.4v snap-on drill w/o the battery. It'll accept either impact's battery pack. Only issue I had with the CT3450 was dropping a battery pack and breaking the locking tab. No problems with the CT3110. The screw that holds the drill's chuck came loose a few years ago. Reinstalled with blue loctite and its been fine. I use the CT3110 and the drill everyday and they're beat on hard.

 

[Rusty67]

I'm surprized no one has any experience with the IR units. I want to pick up an impact some time but I can't seem to find any reviews on the IR units. I might just wait until Snap-On comes ou twith Lith-Ion batteries.

 

[Shehzada]

Can someone please explain the difference between the CT4850HO and the CT4850HOP by Snap-On?

The website states that the latter is the pinned anvil version but it shows no photo. Does anyone have a photo so I can understand the difference.

Thanks.

 

[FNFS2000]

I remember before lithium batteried cell phones when I couldn't get more than 12 hours on a charge... Now its 12 days, there are other advancements that help that as well... I understand its not just the battery. I have no issues with cold weather in lithiums, in fact its the opposite, I find much better results in cameras, cordless tools, gps, flashlights, and just about everything when it drops below freezing, which it does for about 6 months up here.

 

[gofastman]

Can someone please explain the difference between the CT4850HO and the CT4850HOP by Snap-On?

The website states that the latter is the pinned anvil version but it shows no photo. Does anyone have a photo so I can understand the difference.

Thanks.

A pinned anvil is similar to the detent ball setup your ratchets have rather than a springy retainer ring, it holds the socket on better but I beleve you need to press it in with something to remove the socket.

pinned anvil:

And btw Li Ion tech is better in almost every way.

 

[Shehzada]

Thank you gofastman.

 

[CamarosRus]

I have a GOOD Condition used S.O. CT3110 (as written about in post #45 of this thread). Has one battery and charger. I place battery on charger every night.

Curious how many mechanics still using their CT3100 as I'd like to sell this for ??? $$$$$.
I am not a pro mechanic and do not have the need for this tool

Guess I should search/watch EBAY but asking here !!!!!!!!

Thanks,

 

[moparmuscle88]

seems to me that the snap on 18v impacts are the best, and a 28v is going to be big and heavy, which isnt good when you have to use it continuosly

but nothing beats a gas powered air compressor and an air gun if your planning to need and impact wrench like at the jy, you just put the compressor in your truck and drive right up to where you have to be.

emergency uses... it seems whenever i have one, i never have the tools with me anyway

 

[Misfit]

Ok I JUST used my 3/8" snap on ct4410a with a deep 21mm socket to take lugs nuts off that were torqued to 120ft.lbs. It was a battery that was charged over a week ago and has been sitting since so im assuming it was still at 100%? If you find a dealer in your are it can be bought for under $400.

 

[HTGTS350]

I have a 28V Milwaukee that came as part of a 6 tool deal but I haven't touched it since I got my Chicago Pnuematic 19.2V, the CP is the king.

 

[LGMechanical]

Nicad batteries served techs for many years but lithium batteries are obviously better. The price is high now but just like anything else it will drop. If you need the power then get the makita, matco, or snap on. Nothing else really compares in power.

 

[quattrojon]

I highly recommend the Durofix R12023. It is variable speed, 500Nm of torque and has Lithium batteries. It also has a built in led light, which is quite handy, and comes with a two year guarantee. Recommended retail is around £350 over here.

http://www.durofix.com/products_sub.asp?no=25

 

[danski0224]

This is some weird logic.

ALL batteries permanently degrade over time LiIon does it slower, allows more recharges, does not have the "memory" that NiCad has, its simply better.

NiCd does not have memory if it is charged and discharged properly

I've never had my phone suddenly stop working in temperatures below freezing plus an 80mph+ windchill from being on my hip on a motorcycle for 3+ hours. In any case, like you said, he lives in Cali so its not a factor anyway. I live in Georgia though, so I've never tried to frame a house in a blizzard.

Devices like phones don't "stop working" but the battery life is significantly reduced. My Bosch 10.8v drivers *do* stop working when the temp dips below 40*F, unless I keep the batteries warm. Some people in the world *do* need to work, and the tools need to work, in less than ideal conditions.

Which is a GREAT reason to get LiIon, more power, less weight. Maybe I'm missing something.

You are missing something. At this time, Li Ion batteries **** when you need a tool to work and it is cold outside- cold being defined as 40*F and colder. My NiCd or NiMh cordless tools are better performers, and will at least function at say 20*F to 40* F.

And yes, I have actually used cordless tools with NiCd, NiMh and Li Ion battery technologies at temperatures between -5*F and 20*F for an entire 8 hour workday. Li Ion does not function unless the batteries are warm, and it does not take long for the batteries to cool.

No weird logic.

 

[Strouty]

NiCd does not have memory if it is charged and discharged properly



Devices like phones don't "stop working" but the battery life is significantly reduced. My Bosch 10.8v drivers *do* stop working when the temp dips below 40*F, unless I keep the batteries warm. Some people in the world *do* need to work, and the tools need to work, in less than ideal conditions.



You are missing something. At this time, Li Ion batteries **** when you need a tool to work and it is cold outside- cold being defined as 40*F and colder. My NiCd or NiMh cordless tools are better performers, and will at least function at say 20*F to 40* F.

And yes, I have actually used cordless tools with NiCd, NiMh and Li Ion battery technologies at temperatures between -5*F and 20*F for an entire 8 hour workday. Li Ion does not function unless the batteries are warm, and it does not take long for the batteries to cool.

No weird logic.

Have you actually used the 28 volt milwaukee batteries or are you taking out of your rear? I have v28 tools and they do suffer a little from cold, but unless they stay out in a cold truck all night, I never have the trouble you are talking about. I use to have 35 dewalt 18 volt batteries (not lithium) and we would charge all of them the night before, then store them inside until morning. After about three hours in the cold, they were all dead or damn close to it. When the V28 came out I sold all my dewalt and bought V28. The impact will remove lugs from my medium duty truck 1 and 1/4" lugnuts. My old dewalt would take two batteries for one wheel. I can take them all off and put them back on with one V28. They cost more, but I only have a dozen batteries and hardly ever think I need more. I live in Maine and I work on towers, so my tools get used in the cold. Also the nicad batteries memory effect is a true nightmare, I personally liked NIMH but I wanted the battery indicator so I could have a rough estimate of how much juice I had in the batteries.

 

[truckdriver]

NiCd does not have memory if it is charged and discharged properly



Devices like phones don't "stop working" but the battery life is significantly reduced. My Bosch 10.8v drivers *do* stop working when the temp dips below 40*F, unless I keep the batteries warm. Some people in the world *do* need to work, and the tools need to work, in less than ideal conditions.



You are missing something. At this time, Li Ion batteries **** when you need a tool to work and it is cold outside- cold being defined as 40*F and colder. My NiCd or NiMh cordless tools are better performers, and will at least function at say 20*F to 40* F.

And yes, I have actually used cordless tools with NiCd, NiMh and Li Ion battery technologies at temperatures between -5*F and 20*F for an entire 8 hour workday. Li Ion does not function unless the batteries are warm, and it does not take long for the batteries to cool.

No weird logic.

Lithium ion actually starts to degrade from the time of manufacture and are usually toast by 4-5 years. Ever notice how after your cell phone is over 2 yrs old your always charging it? Nicads the biggest problem is heat and that they don't hold a full charge during storage.. Ever wonder why all those 10+ yr old 12v and under tools from years ago still work like a charm? The lower voltages didn't produce the kind of heat that today's 18+ voltages do. With my Dewalt set the batteries would be so hot after using a tool like the grinder or recip saw that you could burn your hands. That kills batteries.
I have also noted that the lithium is worthless under 40*. Both my Bosch 10.8 and Makita 18V do that. So I definatley wouldn't restrict my choices by battery type. There is no perfect battery yet.

 

[danski0224]

Have you actually used the 28 volt milwaukee batteries or are you taking out of your rear? I have v28 tools and they do suffer a little from cold, but unless they stay out in a cold truck all night, I never have the trouble you are talking about. I use to have 35 dewalt 18 volt batteries (not lithium) and we would charge all of them the night before, then store them inside until morning. After about three hours in the cold, they were all dead or damn close to it.

Yes I have used the V28 line.

No, they didn't work, and no, the batteries did not come in at night.

 

[Marlin]

Now I'm looking at the IR W360-KL2 kit. The IR website says it comes with Lith-Ion batteries but the Tool Barn website says Ni-Cad. Its dead on my target budget for that set but I don't want to buy NiCads. I'll call them tomorrow and see what they say.

Any comments on the IR stuff ? I know the pnumatic IR stuff is indestructable.... mine hasn't ever met a nut/bolt it couldn't remove.

The kit you listed deffinitely includes the Li-on battery.