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richfinn

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Hi, how much difference does it make upgrading li-on batteries to say double the Ah rating (from 2.0ah to 4.0ah)?

Do you get any more power or just longer run times?
 
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Amp hours is a capacity rating. Like having a 2 gallon or 4 gallon gas tank on your mower. Mower runs the same, just longer.
 

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Battery design is quite a rabbit hole and it's going to be hard to talk about this without getting in to specifics.

In general, sometimes the Amp hour rating is increased by also changing the cell types, from 18650 to 21700. And when you do this, you may also change the design from an all series setup to a series-parallel setup. This can impact the internal resistance, which changes output potential.
 

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It depends. Say I go from a compact M12 2.0Ah battery to a XC M12 4.0Ah battery, there is definitely a jump in power.
 

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Depends on the tool.

Let's say one person can move 40 lb weight 100 feet before taking a break. Two people can move that same 40 lb weight 200 feet no problem.

Now let's say you have an 80 lb weight. Let's say one person can move it 40 ft. But it's hot out and he tires faster, so he only moves it 30 feet. Two people can move that 80 lb weight double the theoretical distance, to 80 ft, and they're less susceptible to the same heat-fatigue and get more than 2X actual distance.

Things are more complicated these days.

Same number of cells and same size cells? The lower capacity might be better for higher-drain applications. For lower drain, double the capacity gives you double the runtime.

For a 5-cell battery and 10-cell battery with double the capacity, you should get at least double the runtime. Some tools benefit from extra power, such as Milwaukee M18 drills and drivers.

But then you now have different sized cells, where a 5-cell 4.0Ah larger-cell battery is supposed to be comparable to a 10-cell 4.0Ah smaller-cell battery in terms of runtime and power delivery.
 
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Yep, I know the runtime is extended, just keep hearing lots of noise about more power and "hits harder" with a bigger battery of the same voltage (which doesn't make much sense to me)

I might only run a tool for a few minutes per day so not really worth the extra weight??
 

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Hard to say as it depends on the battery and tool. Newer generations of batteries use cells that can discharge faster providing more power to high demand tools. But if a tool doesn’t benefit from higher discharge batteries, no difference. As an example, my mid torque impact wrench has a little trouble removing a lug nut on a 2.0 battery. But on a 5.0 it spins them off in the blink of an eye.
 

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The math doesn't make sense, but I find that my impacts got a small power gain when using a 4.0XC battery vs a 2.0ah battery. It is something you would have to see for yourself. My impacts can take bolts off easier and faster on a 4.0 or a 6.0 high output battery.

I've sat down and tested this specifically. The High output batteries do use slightly more current than the regular batteries, but depending what you work on, you may or may not notice the difference.
 
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A slight increase in unloaded tool MAX RPM can be often seen with larger AH XC type batteries over the smaller compacts just by taking a reading with non contact tachometer.

That in itself probably amounts to certain performance increases some experience when using higher ah batteries especially in smaller 12v tools
 

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Yep, I know the runtime is extended, just keep hearing lots of noise about more power and "hits harder" with a bigger battery of the same voltage (which doesn't make much sense to me)

Both have the same resting voltage but that doesn't mean they'll have the same voltage under load. Generally speaking a higher Ah battery will maintain a higher voltage than a smaller one under a given load. A small 18 V pack might drop to 16 V while a larger one only drops to 17 V.

A conventional DC brushed motor will deliver more power/speed at the higher voltage. The newer ECM (brushless) stuff might or might not depending on how the controls are set up.

And FWIW tools having more power with larger battery packs isn't just anecdotal "noise". When IR brought out their first 20 V 3/8" impact they published torque specs for both battery packs. The larger pack gave higher torque.
 
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richfinn

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Both have the same resting voltage but that doesn't mean they'll have the same voltage under load. Generally speaking a higher Ah battery will maintain a higher voltage than a smaller one under a given load. A small 18 V pack might drop to 16 V while a larger one only drops to 17 V.

A conventional DC brushed motor will deliver more power/speed at the higher voltage. The newer ECM (brushless) stuff might or might not depending on how the controls are set up.

And FWIW tools having more power with larger battery packs isn't just anecdotal "noise". When IR brought out their first 20 V 3/8" impact they published torque specs for both battery packs. The larger pack gave higher torque.

That makes sense, thanks

I thought this might be the place to ask 😎

I'll let you know how it works out 👍
 

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It depends. Say I go from a compact M12 2.0Ah battery to a XC M12 4.0Ah battery, there is definitely a jump in power.

There is a noticeable difference with the non fuel Milwaukee ratchets I have when using a 3.0 or larger battery instead of a 1.5 or 2.0 battery. Pretty much only the ratchets I have noticed it with. But then again, I only use the compact batteries when needed and usually with a ratchet.
 
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