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Yikes lol. Milwaukee almost doubled Makita's revenue the last few years so definitely no where close as big of a brand as Milwaukee lol.

Milwaukee also has a larger catalog of tools than Makita.

Maybe what you say was true in the past, but not even close to the current atmosphere.

Personally I think it's wild anyone would run anything but Milwaukee now a days unless it's just not in the budget or you're already locked into another brand.
There are a variety of brands to satisfy many different customer’ needs and price points .. Milwaukee is a generic Chinese tool. I have many, but I have several other brands.

I’m not knocking Milwaukee but, for example, I prefer my Dewalt impacts over my Milwaukees. Ever time I say that, some Milwaukee diehard calls me out, but that’s how I see it.
 
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Have you replaced a rotor on them? I'm considering ordering one and trying, but I don't want to toss money at it if the stator itself is bad.
(I seem to be missing magnets from the rotor... and I can't seem to find them anywhere?)
At those prices, I would not get that deep into the repair. I might chase a collet or trigger, but that’s way too high a percentage of cost of new, and you are gutting the sucker to get there.


Side note, sorta relevant:
I’ve been a Makita fan since it appeared on our construction sites in the 80s. All the big union shops had the 9.6v keyless chuck drills. Saw a 9.6v keyless on site last year, on a contractor’s cart I did not recognize.

My neighbor gifted me a 9.6v keyless one in the early 90s, and in my intermittent use, the only failure in my 9.6, 14.4 or 18v stuff has been batteries, one battery contact, and one trigger, both on units bought used. One 14.4 came with a broken gearbox, so it’s parts for the others.
 

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I have a couple of Milwaukee tools, 3/8" fuel high speed ratchet and 1/2" fuel gen 2 mid torque impact wrench. I think they are both really decent affordable tools although I went Bosch for a 12v drill/driver as it was way more compact.

I have no problem mixing brands/battery platforms if I like a particular tool enough and the price is right (I'm a bargain hunter).

I've always liked the Makita stuff I've owned over the years, but it's getting harder to find good deals as Milwaukee expands!!!
 

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I have an XDT16 and it performs great, but it is only 2 years old. I love this tool and use it almost daily.
My original XDT01 is 12 years old and still works great even though it looks like a well-used contractor tool. Lent it to my daughter.

I suggest posting pictures and complaining nicely on the Makita Facebook page (Makita's corporate page, not user groups).
I broke an old out of warranty brushed drill and their product manager contacted me and sent me a new XPH07.

The only time I broke a motor magnet was dropping my old DeWalt drill off a ladder.
The rotor is still way cheaper than a new impact. Or look for a used XDT14 or XDT16 on FBMP to use for parts.

I'm in the US, like most of us, and I can't remember the last time I saw anyone using a Makita cordless tool. All I see is DeWalt and Milwaukee used commercially
That's mainly because American users want American brands, even though they are nearly all made in China. Makita costs a little more, a major factor. People are cheap.

TTI (Milwaukee) is not the largest globally. I believe DeWalt has the largest US market share (probably not by much).
Rough order of global market share: Others, S-B-D, Bosch, TTI, Apex, Makita, Atlas-Copco. Data varies depending on where you look.
I understand Europe is Makita's biggest market.

Who is the best marketed in the US? Milwaukee and DeWalt.

Who has the most tools? No easy answer. Milwaukee makes more hand tools than Makita. Per their websites:
Milwaukee 200+ in their 18V line
Makita 325+ in their 18V line
Anyone else find out more?
 
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Just as an update: The big orange store had a deal on milwaukee impacts yesterday (270 for 3x5ah batteries, charger and impact).

I ordered it as a placeholder. Still thinking I want to replace the Makita, and can return the milwaukee if I go that route…

But I also like the idea of having some milwaukee batteries around for some of their other tools (Lights, tire inflators, Vacuum, impact wrenches, etc).
The Makita has always felt great in the hand, but there‘s a lot of bang for the buck with the Milwaukee’s too…

I was looking at some of the Japanese Makita impact drivers too: it’s amazing that I could order a brand new Makita made in Japan delivered to my front door for $80-90 less than the current USA (made in china) impact at the orange store….
 

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Look at the Makita tire inflators. Compact, good ergonomics and they work well for the price. I have two of them.
They have a bigger version too if you need more oomph.
 

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In most US stores, there presence is pretty minimal, if they are there at all.

I do like Makita, but they are not marketed nearly as much as Red and Yellow on these shores.
Not sure what stores you are looking at, but around here it is pretty equal red, yellow, and blue. HD adds to the aisles chartreuse and orange. Lowes nixes Makita (and Rigid of course), and adds in CM, a few dusty Bosch, and Kobalt.

Makita is unique among the biggies in the USA. Makita is owned by Makita. Period.
 
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Not sure what stores you are looking at, but around here it is pretty equal red, yellow, and blue. HD adds to the aisles chartreuse and orange. Lowes nixes Makita (and Rigid of course), and adds in CM, a few dusty Bosch, and Kobalt.

Makita is unique among the biggies in the USA. Makita is owned by Makita. Period.
I’ll second what he said: makita is losing shelf space around these parts. Milwaukee is getting a lot.
 

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Around here at H-D Makita has 1/3 the shelf space Milwaukee and DeWalt have. Poor job of marketing by Makita, but like I said consumers want American brands like Milwaukee. At our local H-D most of the rental tools are Makita. That says a lot. I usually just order Makita from Amazon.
 

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I have an XDT16 and it performs great, but it is only 2 years old. I love this tool and use it almost daily.
My original XDT01 is 12 years old and still works great even though it looks like a well-used contractor tool. Lent it to my daughter.

I suggest posting pictures and complaining nicely on the Makita Facebook page (Makita's corporate page, not user groups).
I broke an old out of warranty brushed drill and their product manager contacted me and sent me a new XPH07.

The only time I broke a motor magnet was dropping my old DeWalt drill off a ladder.
The rotor is still way cheaper than a new impact. Or look for a used XDT14 or XDT16 on FBMP to use for parts.


That's mainly because American users want American brands, even though they are nearly all made in China. Makita costs a little more, a major factor. People are cheap.

TTI (Milwaukee) is not the largest globally. I believe DeWalt has the largest US market share (probably not by much).
Rough order of global market share: Others, S-B-D, Bosch, TTI, Apex, Makita, Atlas-Copco. Data varies depending on where you look.
I understand Europe is Makita's biggest market.

Who is the best marketed in the US? Milwaukee and DeWalt.

Who has the most tools? No easy answer. Milwaukee makes more hand tools than Makita. Per their websites:
Milwaukee 200+ in their 18V line
Makita 325+ in their 18V line
Anyone else find out more?
Milwaukee is not an American Brand. Just like Pittsburg or Chicago Electric at Harbor Freight aren’t American Brands.
 

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Around here at H-D Makita has 1/3 the shelf space Milwaukee and DeWalt have. Poor job of marketing by Makita, but like I said consumers want American brands like Milwaukee. At our local H-D most of the rental tools are Makita. That says a lot. I usually just order Makita from Amazon.
Home Depot isn’t the only retailer out there, although they certainly one of the largest.

My local lumberyard / hardware store sells Makita exclusively, for whatever that’s worth, and Lowes doesn‘t handle Milwaukee Either, nor does Menards.
 

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All my team yellow cordless (and corded) tools are yet let me down. I've never worn one out or had one fail me yet. Even all my old nicad ones still work just fine after well over two decades (a few more than three decades) and I still use them with an adapter to use today's lithium ion 20v MAX batteries with them long after my last nicad battery finally bit the dust.

My team red cordless ratchets have needed new anvils after I keep wearing them out. I was glad when team yellow finally entered the cordless ratchet market.
 
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Around here at H-D Makita has 1/3 the shelf space Milwaukee and DeWalt have. Poor job of marketing by Makita, but like I said consumers want American brands like Milwaukee. At our local H-D most of the rental tools are Makita. That says a lot. I usually just order Makita from Amazon.
True. I just bought the Makita xwt17z from Berland's a few days ago. Home depot only stocks the hi-torque. I dont like waiting for special order tools.
 

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Not sure what stores you are looking at, but around here it is pretty equal red, yellow, and blue. HD adds to the aisles chartreuse and orange. Lowes nixes Makita (and Rigid of course), and adds in CM, a few dusty Bosch, and Kobalt.

Makita is unique among the biggies in the USA. Makita is owned by Makita. Period.
But not only did lowes axe Makita...... Menards did long before and Ace Hardware also did when they brought the Craftsman stuff in. Heck even some of my local lumberyards no longer carry makita.
 

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But not only did lowes axe Makita...... Menards did long before and Ace Hardware also did when they brought the Craftsman stuff in. Heck even some of my local lumberyards no longer carry makita.
Not everyone appreciates Makita, just as some people don't like some brands of pickups, that really doesn't mean a lot. The fact that I don't buy Snap-on doesn't mean they are bad, I have no need to pay their prices.
 
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I'd argue it's a fluke. Makita is quality stuff, and I say that as a big Milwaukee fan boy. I'd bet you can get it fixed cheap.
Part to replace is marked between $50-60, plus shipping. Trying to decide if it's better to put that $50-60 towards a new tool (since I can't be guaranteed that the magnets didn't break anything else in the motor?)
 

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I'm DIY as well. I say fluke like many others.

All my cordless are either Ryobi or Milwaukee (my only Makita is the track saw - CORDED). ALL brands, no matter how "good" or "reliable" will occasionally have units that cr@p out before their time. It's a fact of life in manufacturing.

To me, there are two things I would consider more important than the occasional borking (especially under warranty) - how the company handles the situation when it happens, and for units out of warranty, what is the availability of parts if I want to fix it.

Recent Ryobi example. I bought a Ryobi "something." Brand new, the switch was bad. I knew there was a potential, because I read a few complaints about it. Ryobi took very good care of me. Once I confirmed my purchase, they sent another one (though likely refurbished, though you could never tell by the condition), and said to just keep the other one - within one week.

I was able to take the bad one apart and realized what was going on with the switch (it's actually a DESIGN problem - the switch was fine). Resolved the problem, now I have 2 - much to the chagrin of my wife.
 

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Part to replace is marked between $50-60, plus shipping. Trying to decide if it's better to put that $50-60 towards a new tool (since I can't be guaranteed that the magnets didn't break anything else in the motor?)
I can appreciate that line of thinking. But worst case you try and fix it and then return the parts if it doesn't fix it. Doesn't Makita have some authorized service centers around the US to do repairs? Even when my stuff is out of warranty the cost to fix it is usually pretty minimal with labor and parts I feel like.
 
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They do have service centers. I’m going to look into it, but assumed the shipping costs would just increase the price.
 

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I'm not going to debate cordless tool colors.

I have used the Bosch 12v system for over 13 years. No issues. I did just update to a brushless driver, and drill.

I recently broke down and bought my first 18v system. I always went to electric if I needed anything stronger than 12v. But I needed to update the boat docking and wooden fence. Water and electricity don't mix. I chose Metabo HPt for 18v. No issues after 2,500+ screws and numerous short picket cuts. The hammer drill is a beast and scares the bejesus out of me.
 

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I can appreciate that line of thinking. But worst case you try and fix it and then return the parts if it doesn't fix it.
That's ******. If you buy the parts and put them in, they are yours. Next buyer gets them and sees they've been connected to something already and they'll complain they got used parts. Might even come here to complain.
 

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That's ******. If you buy the parts and put them in, they are yours. Next buyer gets them and sees they've been connected to something already and they'll complain they got used parts. Might even come here to complain.
So you’ve never ordered a pair of pants or a shirt that was the wrong size or didn’t fit right?
 
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I didn’t. It’s 4 years old. I figured I’d save that card in my back pocket for the future.

What’s frustrating to me, I’ve babied it compared to other tools. And it doesn’t get used frequently at all (I’ll break it out for a project…. Then it’ll sit for months before it sees another project. Heck: it’s been idle since January before I used it for this last quick project)
 

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Up until a year or so ago, Makita hands down had the best holiday promotions. Two for something, buy this get a handful of batteries, etc. It was great waiting and looking for certain units to hit the big time and go on sale.

I'll mix brands, whatever works the best, the DeWalt Lug Nut Buster Cordless is awesome and I fell in love with the handheld vacuum that went to market last winter.

I've got a handful of the Makita Impacts, the oldest is pushing 10+ years and they keep going and going. I do kind of beat on them, throw them down when I'm holding up a board but they keep working.
 

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I don't have any Cordless Milwaukee and never had an issue. I do use tools everyday and beat the **** out of them, most are Makita and I wouldn't hesitate to buy more. I don't care what brand they are, I just want something that works and can take a beating. Even price-wise, Makita kills Milwaukee and it makes it an easy choice. 20 years ago, Milwaukee was barely on the radar, I have a corded Sawzall and drill from back then and love them, the drill is still the goto and it will not stall on any project, in fact it would probably break my wrist first.
 

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I think Home Depot told everyone to buy Milwaukee and we listened. Home Depot is responsible for 60% of Milwaukee’s sales in the US and over 40% worldwide. They are a marketing juggernaut.
 

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I think Home Depot told everyone to buy Milwaukee and we listened. Home Depot is responsible for 60% of Milwaukee’s sales in the US and over 40% worldwide. They are a marketing juggernaut.
Probably the fact that they easily outperform pretty much every competitor for the same price or less. Good tools sell themselves, as shown by Milwaukee's rise to the top.
 

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Makitas are great quality, you got a bad one. I have 6 Makita cordless and 5 corded tools. Makita has a service center here where I can get parts and talk to a tech.

I have started buying Ryobi and I use my Makita batteries with an adapter. You can get 2 to 1 given the price of Ryobi.

Milwaukee has no presence here. I have heard it's send it back and wait .... wait ..... wait.
 

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Personally I think it's wild anyone would run anything but Milwaukee now a days unless it's just not in the budget or you're already locked into another brand.


No single manufacture makes the best of everything.

Milwaukee has had known issues with their drill chucks for years.

They are in a constant battle with Dewalt trying to one up each other producing cordless impacts. The fact of the matter is we’ve reached the upper limit of what the tools can stand without shearing an anvil.

Over half of Milwaukees early M12 line was underpowered junk and they are still producing several tools in that line that are junk. The M12 grease gun and M12 multi tool come to mind.

I’ve never used a corded Milwaukee grinder that didn’t run extremely hot. Makita, Dewalt, Bosch, they all build a better grinder.

Milwaukee makes a really good line of cordless nailers but so does Metabo HTP.

They make a really good reciprocating saw but the current industry standard is the Dewalt 60v.

They make a really good SDS but they won’t outperform a Hilti.

I could go on…

What’s kept Milwaukee alive and made them flourish is the vast range of specialized trade specific tools. And when you’re working off a truck battery compatibly becomes a major plus. Not to mention it makes no sense for a big company running multiple crews to not be battery compatible.

I like Milwaukee but this is a Ford versus Chevy argument.
 

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Home Depot isn’t the only retailer out there, although they certainly one of the largest.

My local lumberyard / hardware store sells Makita exclusively, for whatever that’s worth, and Lowes doesn‘t handle Milwaukee Either, nor does Menards.
Outside Home Depot Milwaukee is generally sold by plumbing, electrical and HVAC suppliers. Makita is generally sold at lumber yards and Dewalt is sold by practically everyone.

It’s also a very regional thing. Seems Makita has more market share on the west coast while Dewalt more share on the east coast.
 

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I think Home Depot told everyone to buy Milwaukee and we listened. Home Depot is responsible for 60% of Milwaukee’s sales in the US and over 40% worldwide. They are a marketing juggernaut.
Agree I doubt Milwaukee would have succeeded in the prosumer market without Home Depot.
 

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If you see someone using a Milwaukee tool and ask them if it's American, I wonder what they would say.

Besides a handful of Dewalt what brand power tool is American?

Milwaukee: China
Makita: Japan, China and who knows where else.
Bosch: Malaysia, China, do they even make anything is Germany anymore?
Dewalt: at best can claim a percentage is made in North America because a lot of its Mexico. Also China and ???
 

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Besides a handful of Dewalt what brand power tool is American?

Milwaukee: China
Makita: Japan, China and who knows where else.
Bosch: Malaysia, China, do they even make anything is Germany anymore?
Dewalt: at best can claim a percentage is made in North America because a lot of its Mexico. Also China and ???
Lowes had Cordless Bosch tools such as angle grinders, that said “Made in Germany” within the past several years.
Bosch also has a manufacturing plant in Switzerland (maybe more than one).
The Swiss plant seems to mostly be blades and accessories nowadays, but I don’t really think Bosch is going to shutter the Swiss or German manufacturing plants.
Bosch may shift what is being produced, and Bosch does have a wide variety of products other than basic power tools, so I can’t say for certain.
I presume shutting down production in Europe might cause issues, since Bosch us technically set up as a “charity” with a weird corporate structure.
 
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