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I have 2 tool trucks comong to my shop. Cornwell and Snap-On. I have a large amount of Snap-on tools but I am seeing a value in Cornwell. I have purchased a few things and have been VERY happy. So my question is has any of you guys use Cornwell ratchets and screwdrivers etc and have had good results? I really like the price differance in some items. I purchased a 4 piece panel removal tool set for 49.95. The snap on equivalant was over 100. I have both and I hate to say it but prefer the cornwell. I also have a 3 peice 72tooth ratchet set and they are great.
 
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compare to Snap On hard line tools, Cornwell has more imported, just watch what you buy. their domestic tools are good quality, but the chrome sometimes are suspect.
 
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I have been very careful with what I buy and have noticed some stuff is not even Cornwell. I also have noticed 3 out of 4 of the big tool truck brands are headquartered in Ohio. 2(matco cornwell) are just south of me(cleveland). The other is close to Columbus(mac).
 

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Well, on things like the "4 piece panel removal tool set"; many of those things are made by third party companies, many are the same across the tool trucks. Pick and choose who is cheaper; many times if you buy from the OEM directly, you can save more but lose the lifetime warranty, that most tool trucks offer. When it comes to the hard line of any company now; you just need to make sure the what the COO is and then go from there. Resale value of Snap-on tends to be the highest; if you ever see yourself selling or trading things in the future.
 

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I have had good luck with Cornwell. Only problem I found is dealers are hard to come by. They seem to show up for about six months then they are gone.
 
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Research the coo of the part numbers before you step on the truck if you're not familiar with their line. Basically, all of their traditional tools that they've been making since day 1 like their pear head ratchets are made in the USA.
 

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Cornwell Tools is a professional tool manufacturer for the automotive and aviation industries.[1] The company is based out of Wadsworth, Ohio. Cornwell produces most of their own hard line of tools such as ratchets, sockets, wrenches, pry bars, and chisels at their Albion, Pennsylvania and Mogadore, Ohio plants.

. They also carry allied air, electric, and diagnostic tools, with quality considered on par with Mac Tools and Matco Tools. They also carry a similar lifetime warranty on all hand tools.[2]
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I would buy from both. A lot of tools are just rebranded with either Snap On or Cornwell Or MAC etc...buy from whom ever has the better deal. I have Kiplex pliers both rebadeged Snap On and Matco. Some times it's better to buy tools from local parts store.... Try and buy all your hardline tools from Snap On.
 

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Don't tell anyone but cornwell tools are fantastic...You just have to find one of their trucks and you are in business.

NOW BACK TO YOUR REGULAR SCHEDULED PROGRAM.
 
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I have one. My next investment would be sockets from either cornwell or snap on. I have all craftsmen sockets now except a 7mm 8mm 10mm magnetic from snap on. I have craftsman ratchets but I NEVER use them, I only use the snap on or cornwell. There is a HUGE difference. I dont know if I can justify the cost of the "premium" sockets when the craftsman has worked for the last 16 years. The craftsman will be going home and the others will stay at the shop. So other than price what are the main differences in the sockets from the truck tool brands?
 

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My new shop has mac snap on and cornwell stop by on a weekly basis. Our dealer is hands down the best out of the 3. I buy a lot of snapon and recently more cornwell stuff. Most of the stuff that isn't made by snap on or cornwell. Like 3rd party or off brand stuff I buy from the cornwell truck. A. Its cheaper and B like I said the cornwell dealer is awesome and goes out of his way to hook us up. The mac and snap on guy occasionally go off on these holier than thou kinda phases. Overall cornwell tools are solid and they can be had for cheaper sometimes for snapon.oh and they sell ninja swords and some hot/spicy jerky and red bulls...
 
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My Snap On guy hands down is a much better dealer. His tools are just more expensive. He ALWAYS takes care of me, he even comes by un scheduled days if I ordered something and it comes in. He is the best dealer I have ever had. The Cornwell guy is new so I dont think he understands the customer service part of it yet. Once he understands that the one of the main reasons other than quality that we buy from them is service.
 

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My Snap On guy hands down is a much better dealer. His tools are just more expensive. He ALWAYS takes care of me, he even comes by un scheduled days if I ordered something and it comes in. He is the best dealer I have ever had. The Cornwell guy is new so I dont think he understands the customer service part of it yet. Once he understands that the one of the main reasons other than quality that we buy from them is service.

That's exactly it. The service is huge. Sometimes I don't think the dealers realize that they aren't the only truck that comes in. If your dealer/pusher is cool then yea cornwell tools are bad ***. Their boxes look nice I want to buy a 800 series cart.
 
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Pusher, thats so true. My Snap On guy ALWAYS gets me onto the truck. He is not stupid. I have my bill down to 100 or less on both trucks. I am thinking of paying them off and telling them I will call if I need something. My Snap on guy even said dont pay me off just pay me a couple bucks. Like I said he is not stupid
 

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my work has a cornwell, mac, matco, snap on, and one independent tool dealer that sell T&E tools, OTC, and SK tools...

i had reduce shop on the mac since mac had changed a lot even price was too much for me. the matco has something that snap on dont sell or make a tool.. i always look for best tool for low price... then my tech friend had chased the cornwell truck and made him stop by at my work, i had look around and was surpruised that price are cheaper on hardline tools... so i just slowing replacement of craftsman tools that i use A LOT...

i just keep mallest balance on matco, snap on, and cornwell trucks that make them come to my work every week so i can have tool replacement or service..

i do like cornwell hardline tools but just different type of tools that fit for my needs...
 

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We have had a Cornwell dealer where I work solidly for fifteen years plus, Matco may have been there five times, Mac probably ten dealers in the time now none for five years min. Snap on newist one just wen't under and that makes number seven or eight in same time frame. Cornwell has a good product line and the allied type tools they carry are usually fairly good and some times great. I really like the Cornwell product and never have had a bad dealer from them anywhere I worked.
 
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I really like Cornwell Tools had good expiriences with the tools and the dealer.
 

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I've got a little of everything in my tool box, and Cornwell is as good or better than any other truck brand stuff I have. I also like the fact that Corny makes their own hand tools, Snap-On is the only other brand that does that. It can sometimes mean you wait a little longer if a really good sale deal comes up (my 3/8 wobble sockets were one of those, they put them on sale at a VERY deep discount then quickly ran out of them and were playing catch up, waited a couple months before my dealer even had them to give me)

Cornwell is the only tool truck brand I buy. My dealer was a tech and shop owner for many years, his approach to selling tools is "What can I sell you to make you able to do your job better/faster/easier". He doesn't push you to buy more than you need, and if he doesn't remember off the top of his head he's quick to bust out the monthly flier and see if he can make me a better deal or to see if the tool you're after is on sale.
 

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Can't say I've had good luck with cornwell bought a 3/8 flex head off the truck back in 95 or so used it for a couple years and the head flops due to the handle being wallowed out were the pin goes through.Of course the truck Guy has since quit the route and cornwell themselves refuses to even contact me back over the issue.The rat is now tossed into the D.O.A drawer in my home box,and I don't think ill ever buy another thing From them.
 

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Skip the cornwell. Some hardline is good, though no better than any quality USA stuff. Resale is **** and dealers coverage is poor. If and when you move you should expect to not have a dealer. This one like most cornwell dealers will most likely be gone in a few months to years.

But seriously. Spend $10,000 on cornwell tools and you will have $2,000 worth of tools. Spend $11-12,000 on the same snap-on items and you will have $6,000 in tools. Yeah, the resale is that poor on Cornwell. Slighty better than used Craftsman. I own 4 Cornwell ratchets not because they are good (they ****),,,but because nobody want's to buy them.

I am not a big fan of snap-on, but if you are buying stuff off the truck, may as well get the ones with better service, better quality more often than not and much more residual value.
 

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That's fine, I'm not planning on ever selling my Cornwell tools. :thumbup:

Trust me, 95% chance you will. Maybe in 5 years you get injured and have to leave the automotive repair field. Perhaps your career moves in a different direction or you fall on hard times. The odds are at least one of these things will happen. Very few mechanics will keep their tools their whole lives. Those that do are most of the time are the ones who drop dead while still working and who's wives have to sell their tools on Craigslist. If you do somehow end up that rare bird who grows old, has a rock steady life in the same field, then my advice makes even more sense. It's pretty shortsighted to ignore depreciation on such a liquid asset as hand tools. Even if you stay in the field many years, your needs may change and resale value keep your out of pocket expenses down. Biz management 101 and something you always need to think about as your are your own biz as a mechanic.
 

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Can't say I've had good luck with cornwell bought a 3/8 flex head off the truck back in 95 or so used it for a couple years and the head flops due to the handle being wallowed out were the pin goes through.Of course the truck Guy has since quit the route and cornwell themselves refuses to even contact me back over the issue.The rat is now tossed into the D.O.A drawer in my home box,and I don't think ill ever buy another thing From them.

cornwell does warranty by mail no questions asked. If you mailed that in you'd have a brand new ratchet in about a week....



Trust me, 95% chance you will. Maybe in 5 years you get injured and have to leave the automotive repair field. Perhaps your career moves in a different direction or you fall on hard times. The odds are at least one of these things will happen. Very few mechanics will keep their tools their whole lives. Those that do are most of the time are the ones who drop dead while still working and who's wives have to sell their tools on Craigslist. If you do somehow end up that rare bird who grows old, has a rock steady life in the same field, then my advice makes even more sense. It's pretty shortsighted to ignore depreciation on such a liquid asset as hand tools. Even if you stay in the field many years, your needs may change and resale value keep your out of pocket expenses down. Biz management 101 and something you always need to think about as your are your own biz as a mechanic.

what are 20-40 year-old beat to hell tools worth of any brand? Exactly. Plus money is made with the tools, not in them. If you're at the point where a few thousand really matters you've failed in much more important ways than tool purchases.
 
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cornwell does warranty by mail no questions asked. If you mailed that in you'd have a brand new ratchet in about a week....


Too bad their customer service/warrenty dept. can't be bothered to answer my emails.Like I'm just going to send them tools with no RMA or anything....can't get them to even return an email,why should I expect them to return tools???
 

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cornwell does warranty by mail no questions asked. If you mailed that in you'd have a brand new ratchet in about a week....





what are 20-40 year-old beat to hell tools worth of any brand? Exactly. Plus money is made with the tools, not in them. If you're at the point where a few thousand really matters you've failed in much more important ways than tool purchases.

look at the prices people will pay on ebay for random snap on tools. more than retail many times. IMO snap on is the strongest brand name if and when you have to sell so I agree with back2class on this issue.
 

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But seriously. Spend $10,000 on cornwell tools and you will have $2,000 worth of tools. Spend $11-12,000 on the same snap-on items and you will have $6,000 in tools. Yeah, the resale is that poor on Cornwell.

Ebay completed auctions would prove you wrong on your 20% resale value.

Besides that, new tools aren't a wise choice to invest for the purpose of resale. Maybe the stock market would be better for the long haul.

cornwell does warranty by mail no questions asked. If you mailed that in you'd have a brand new ratchet in about a week....

I agree. Cornwell is the easiest to warranty. SO requires proof of purchase and Matco has a formal RMA process. With Cornwell you simply send it in and they send you a replacement very quickly. (no emails or phone calls needed)
 
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Trust me, 95% chance you will. Maybe in 5 years you get injured and have to leave the automotive repair field. Perhaps your career moves in a different direction or you fall on hard times. The odds are at least one of these things will happen. Very few mechanics will keep their tools their whole lives. Those that do are most of the time are the ones who drop dead while still working and who's wives have to sell their tools on Craigslist. If you do somehow end up that rare bird who grows old, has a rock steady life in the same field, then my advice makes even more sense. It's pretty shortsighted to ignore depreciation on such a liquid asset as hand tools. Even if you stay in the field many years, your needs may change and resale value keep your out of pocket expenses down. Biz management 101 and something you always need to think about as your are your own biz as a mechanic.


Following the logic of business 101 here........

12k spent on snap on...resale later 6k equates to 6k loss

Snap on tools run 4 to 20 times the amount of craftsman, kobolt, husky, etc etc

So lets say a set of the above about 3k where as the comparable set from snap on costs 12k.

Lets say the craftsman, kobolt, husky, etc etc never gets sold.

That's still only a 3k loss

In addition the craftsman, kobolt, husky etc etc are still under warranty

The snap on isn't if it changes hands unless all of the receipts are packaged in resale and that is still subjective according to snap ons warranty policey
 

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Following the logic of business 101 here........

12k spent on snap on...resale later 6k equates to 6k loss

Snap on tools run 4 to 20 times the amount of craftsman, kobolt, husky, etc etc

So lets say a set of the above about 3k where as the comparable set from snap on costs 12k.

Lets say the craftsman, kobolt, husky, etc etc never gets sold.

That's still only a 3k loss

In addition the craftsman, kobolt, husky etc etc are still under warranty

The snap on isn't if it changes hands unless all of the receipts are packaged in resale and that is still subjective according to snap ons warranty policey

Hey man, I agree! But the poster was not asking about Craftsman or Husky. I could have stocked my box with all Snap-On and MAC several times over, but it's mostly Craftsman, Proto, Klein, some Mac, Cornwell and other good USA tools. All of it every bit as good as a pro needs. I sell all of the snap-on because it is not better and sells for stupid high prices compaired to any other brands. I seldom even keep MAC or Matco as they sell well and my Proto and much of my Craftsman stuff is just as high quality. Only keep the truck brands on a few items, otherwise they are just passing through untill the Proto or SK version comes along.





Dave FR, you are NOT correct. Yes, you may find better than 20% on perfect high demand sets. I have bought and sold a little over 50k of used high end mechanics hand tools here and on ebay over the last few years. On snap-on I average 35% of new retail on sales. Much higher for fine shape ratchets or popular complete sets like 3/8 sockets or wrenches. But well used stuff, small lots, odd pieces, and less popular stuff 25 cents on the dollar is about average. Less desirable stuff from Cornwell....can't hardly give it away. Just look at how much stuff I have listed here for under 50% of retail. Yeah, most all the snap-on stuff sold quick. But the Mac and matco....hardly sold any of it....and cornwell is much worse. Look, I have a $340 cornwell impact socket set....can't get 30% of the retail for it and it is a popular item kind of thing.
You may look through rose colored glasses looking up closed ebay auctions for "ideal" cornwell tools. But when old mechanics tools get sold, much is odds, ends, and or well used and that has near no value if branded with Cornwell.

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"what are 20-40 year-old beat to hell tools worth of any brand? Exactly. Plus money is made with the tools, not in them. If you're at the point where a few thousand really matters you've failed in much more important ways than tool purchases."
I know a few retired mechanics, all are at the point a "few thousand" dollars would be a big help. Though VERY few mechanics last 30-40 years in the field. Not much money to save when you average just $48k a year. Maybe you are one of the rare one who make big money, but cant do flat out flat rate for 40 years. Authritis and C-tunell get you long before that. Nevermind it is plain stupid to ignore basic biz math and piss thousands of dollars away. Now, one could argue the savings by buying Cornwell then invested in securities would compound over 30 years and end up being a better value. But few people will do this. He may as well buy tools with better service, less long term cost and with more flexibility as an asset when faced with the choice. Makes even more sense when the chances he will sell them at some point are very good. Plus, snap-on sell well used and beat up....and will be around. Cant say the same for Cornwell. Spoke to the President of Cornwell last year. He seemed to care less about my concerns with the experience of the end customer. My guess is they will not be here in 30 year even if their tools are.
 
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Besides Mechanic named John, are there very many mechanics who use cheapie imported HF or other such tools for their daily work? I have to imagine the savings would be significant, I just wonder if they would hold up. Hell even if you have to buy a couple new sockets a year because you wear them out it would almost seem to make sense to buy the import stuff (from a $$ standpoint). In my personal use at home I lose more than I break, come to think of it I've actually never broken a Sears or Dollar Store socket.
 

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If you live in the real world and use your tools daily and have a dealer stop by then cornwell is an awesome brand second only to snap on. If you buy tools to resell them then apparently all us cornwell users are foolishly buying tools that have no resale value because that's the most important aspect of a tool right?
 

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If you live in the real world and use your tools daily and have a dealer stop by then cornwell is an awesome brand second only to snap on. If you buy tools to resell them then apparently all us cornwell users are foolishly buying tools that have no resale value because that's the most important aspect of a tool right?

No, but when choosing between two very high quality and high dollar tool companies, as the OP is trying to do, it is worth discussing. We already mentioned dealer support, import/re-branding. The **** turns fasteners just the same.:eyecrazy:
 

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Snap on tools a worth alot more on resale day. Funy,I had a nice corwell wrench at the swap meet last weekend, and I had a guy tell me he never heard of cornwell! What a dope.
 

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Besides Mechanic named John, are there very many mechanics who use cheapie imported HF or other such tools for their daily work? I have to imagine the savings would be significant, I just wonder if they would hold up. Hell even if you have to buy a couple new sockets a year because you wear them out it would almost seem to make sense to buy the import stuff (from a $$ standpoint). In my personal use at home I lose more than I break, come to think of it I've actually never broken a Sears or Dollar Store socket.

I think the lost time in tool failures (rounded fasteners, damaged parts, trips to HF for warranty) and just plain not being able to do stuff would make those cheap tools VERY expensive in short order. Nevermind injuries when using tools that snap off and injure you. Plenty of quality mechanics using mostly Craftsman, some Stanley and SK though, and your point makes some real sense when you get to these mid priced tools. Then at the other end of the spectrum you have the dollar foolish guys who buy snap-on flashlights, magnets, and snap-on claw hammers. Those guys would use Snap-On shop rags for $2 each and convince themselves that the parts wiped cleaner. I think somewhere in the middle is where most tool guys with some brains fall and makes the most sense.
 

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Too bad their customer service/warrenty dept. can't be bothered to answer my emails.Like I'm just going to send them tools with no RMA or anything....can't get them to even return an email,why should I expect them to return tools???

I dont understand your complaint. The ratchet is un-usable but you wont be bothered to print out a piece of paper with your return address and the problem, put that and the ratchet into a box and ship it to Cornwell? Many members have done this, its accepted and normal, they cover return shipping and you'd have a new ratchet. You're complaining for the sake of complaining.

look at the prices people will pay on ebay for random snap on tools. more than retail many times. IMO snap on is the strongest brand name if and when you have to sell so I agree with back2class on this issue.

Yep, thats reasonably new era and generally great condition tools. Have you been to a shop with a mechanic who's used the same wrenches and sockets daily for 30 years? They'd be lucky to get 30% of new list.
 
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