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I had my hours changed when I was a mechanic and was no longer working the day the Snapon guy showed up. I owed less than $2k likely less than $1k. Took me about a month before I managed to swing by the shop while he was there. He just thought I was on vacation and wasn't concerned yet. I just handed him a check to pay off my entire bill.
 
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Anyone know what happens to the tools in a repoed box if the tools are either fully paid for and/or a different brand?
It was posted before that the credit contract states their tools are collateral whether you owe on them or not.

So if you owe on a snapon box, your snapon tools are up for grabs if you default.
 

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I buy them and tools all the time some of these guys have no business of being techs in the first place and most of them also have stuff that don't belong in a tool in the first place
 

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Anyone know what happens to the tools in a repoed box if the tools are either fully paid for and/or a different brand?
The dealer should return those to the person he repo’d the box from, when the box is repoed the dealer should inventory the contents, and reach out to the customer to return his tools, but after a certain amount of time if the custome has made no effort to reclaim, and the dealer has made effort to return with no response, he will sell them as used on his truck
 

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I had my hours changed when I was a mechanic and was no longer working the day the Snapon guy showed up. I owed less than $2k likely less than $1k. Took me about a month before I managed to swing by the shop while he was there. He just thought I was on vacation and wasn't concerned yet. I just handed him a check to pay off my entire bill.
Thats great but I bet Snappy hated to see you go, the "catch" so to speak is to keep you making payments and selling you new tools. A lot of guys don't have the funds to do that and payments could be made by leaving weekly with supervisor, secretary, owner or just a envelope with payment in a designated place. More times than not Mech. just say you want your money come get it. Out of sight out of mind.
 

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There seems to be a large element of "street cred" amongst mechanics in regards to their toolboxes. Why would they degrade to a lesser brand and loose face in the process?

maybe they realize you can't save your face and your azz in life.
 

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They'll know if you round off their corners by using a cheap tool...

There are A LOT of very good tools that are cheap (in dollar terms) compared to SO. Some fit tighter than SO.
 

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I was lucky enough to buy many tools I needed from someone retiring, and I was also fine with cheaper tools.

I could not believe the mess people would get themselves into going into debt over what they got off the tool truck.
 

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I had a Matco truck and can tell you it's no game. I was forced out of business because economy sucked so bad. When I got out I count myself lucky because I was only owed 12k. I knew toolmen that were owed 250k and couldn't get out because they were owed so much. I had mech. have their wives tell me they were dead to filing bankruptcy. If I had $25 everytime someone told me I have to catch you next week I would still be in business.
I wanted to be a tool dealer years back. I’d do it if I knew it was worth it AND if I had the money to start up.

The thing that scares me are the deadbeats, and that’s about it. I delivered newspapers for years as a teenager and dealing with the deadbeats was such a huge task. I’ve talked about them here in great detail in other threads so I won’t go into to it again. There were always a handful, I’d hear every excuse, and they avoided me too! We’re talking about just a few dollars a week for crying out loud, not thousands.

So are they all take advantage type people?
Are they just impulsive buyers?
Do they not think through how they’ll fund these purchases, small or large?
Maybe they just don’t give a f@$%?

I guess some people are just very different.

Anyway, just saying I know that feeling. The scale is way different, but in the end I was cheated out of a lot of money by a handful of customers.

I always had the last laugh because being the one and only paper boy on the street, their only hope was grabbing one at the store after they were cut off the route. The News would credit me (and bill them I assume) and I got an ear full from my distributor. I was quite diligent at collecting btw, whereas I’m sure many kids weren’t. The part that hurt most was losing any and all tip money from those customers which would have made up most of my earnings.

I’m sure with tool dealers word travels quickly about those types of people. As had been mentioned in other threads before, why would a shop owner want that employee in their shop.
 

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Why don’t the tool truck companies issue credit cards and deal with credit at the corporate level instead of having the truck owners deal with it? Seems Mickey Mouse to me.
 

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With the number of deadbeat mechanics out there, why don't the big tool truck brands make a device built into the box with a GPS tracker and a ways of remotely locking the box if the mechanic misses a payment?
You got all the answers don't you guy? Where are you getting your information from?

Honestly you sound like one of the lower skilled people hating on mechanics and repair shops.

ps: Your GPS and remote tool box lock sound like a piss poor idea.
 

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Anyone either had theirs or witnessed a co-worker's box being repoed by the tool truck guy? How did it go? Any violence or threats thereof? Police being called? Fired when your boss finds out you have no tools?
Just gonna block this nitwit.
 

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Why don’t the tool truck companies issue credit cards and deal with credit at the corporate level instead of having the truck owners deal with it? Seems Mickey Mouse to me.
They do. At least Snap-On. But that’s separate from truck/ dealer credit. Leaving the dealer responsible for all that debt. The only answer would be what, no truck credit, which is a large part of the dealer’s revenue I imagine. If the dealer was an acting employee of Snap-On or whomever, it would make sense for the company to issue the credit and collect it themselves.
 

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Merging 3 similar threads.

Correction, 4 threads in a week are now merged with a new title.

I stand corrected again. Make that 7 threads now in one.
Damn

So CoThG is either a SnapOn finance repor is about to default on his box...
 

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Wonder why this topic has suddenly become so popular?

Career mechanic here. Had great relationships with many dedicated tool guys that would bend over backwards for me. I bought tons and tons of stuff over the years. Little at a time, and never owed more than I could just pay off if I got hurt or lost my job. If my tool guy was out sick for the week, he got a double payment when he got back. Same if I missed him. A deals a deal. Who do you think got all the one time deals, first dibs on sales and promos? In the days before Amazon and the internet a good tool guy kept a pro tech serviced and outfitted.
 

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Why would the tech leave his box?
Maybe the tech figured if he couldn’t make money as a tech, he should cut his losses and leave everything behind.
Maybe he also had no way to move the box, and no way to pay someone to move the box.
Maybe he figured if he left the whole box (maybe with tools?) the Snap-On guy would call things even so both parties could cut their losses.
Some business people will do this, because chasing unpaid debt is a pain in the ****,
as is having to inventory an entire tool box, and sell the items, keeping track of every used item’s sale price, with Snap-On guy’s seller’s fee tabulated, and any other fees, so that any surplus can get estimated and returned.
A used box and tools are technically worth less than a new one, and in some states can’t even be legally sold as new even if in original sealed packaging.
If you can turn over your tools, and have your credit wiped clean, it might be easier for both the indebted tech and the Snap-On guy.
Whether the Snap-On guy will go for the arrangement is the question.
 
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Wonder why this topic has suddenly become so popular?

Career mechanic here. Had great relationships with many dedicated tool guys that would bend over backwards for me. I bought tons and tons of stuff over the years. Little at a time, and never owed more than I could just pay off if I got hurt or lost my job. If my tool guy was out sick for the week, he got a double payment when he got back. Same if I missed him. A deals a deal. Who do you think got all the one time deals, first dibs on sales and promos? In the days before Amazon and the internet a good tool guy kept a pro tech serviced and outfitted.
You sir are a dream cust. Really thats the way its suppose to work, I understand some get into a tight and need a break, but double up next week should be a given. Not skip a week make a payment skip another week and then it becomes a normal. What Mech. don't understand is if you have 10~12 shops and you have 2~3 cust. owing you $25 a week and you only see that shop once a week. If you have just average 4 people that want to skip a payment a day thats $2k a month,(you may have 2 people one day and 6 the next) thats money that pays the truck tool bill. If a owner can't make his monthly bill that tool co. will cut him off till he pays. Boxes are even worse. That mind set of I'll just pay when I want is the ruin of a lot of TM. Its not a easy job, when I got in they told me it was a half day job, only they didn't mention there is 24 hours in a day. After the day of dealing with mech. you still have to go home and take care of orders and the books. I sold a lot of used repo tools but that was just tring to get my money back. Used boxes were gold because thats where the money is in new box sales and trades.
 

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I owe my snapon dealer from 2004. I changed jobs and was a shithead kid. I think it's only like $100. I tried to get ahold of him a few years later but he retired and didn't leave a forwarding address.
 
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The Snap-On credit business system sounds like it was designed by someone who used to run a numbers or sports getting racket for the mafia.
The shiny new toolbox and peer pressure to keep up with the other mechanic's toolboxes are powerful forces and hard to resist.
 

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The Snap-On credit business system sounds like it was designed by someone who used to run a numbers or sports getting racket for the mafia.
Its not. 25 percent interest is common in consumer credit when the borrower does not have any credit or bad credit.

Common in credit cards, common with consumer product loans, even some used car loans. Its much cheaper if you have good credit, even more so if you dont use credit and pay for it with cash/check.

And if they turned away people with poor credit there would be congressional action to force the banks to lend to people who were not qualified as they have in the past.
 

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Its not a easy job, when I got in they told me it was a half day job, only they didn't mention there is 24 hours in a day. After the day of dealing with mech. you still have to go home and take care of orders and the books.

The first sentence made me laugh. You didn't know there was 24 hours in a day? :LOL: JK

I think this sums it up. And I think this is true for most, or all, small business owners- especially starting out; at some point, maybe it will become successful enough that the owner can take a day off a week, when it's open, and the staff can run it (not a tool truck). It's very rare, IMO, for the owner to just be 100% absent from a small business and it still be profitable; this doesn't include the big fast-food chains, because if you have the millions of $ to open a McDonalds, the business model doesn't expect you to be there eight hours a day, if even one.

There is a reason why so many 24/7 businesses in the US are owned by immigrants- because they are willing to be there and staff it themselves. It's tough to make money in most small businesses if you're not there and you're paying someone to take your place.

This is totally OT from tool boxes, but....
 

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You sir are a dream cust. Really thats the way its suppose to work, I understand some get into a tight and need a break, but double up next week should be a given. Not skip a week make a payment skip another week and then it becomes a normal. What Mech. don't understand is if you have 10~12 shops and you have 2~3 cust. owing you $25 a week and you only see that shop once a week. If you have just average 4 people that want to skip a payment a day thats $2k a month,(you may have 2 people one day and 6 the next) thats money that pays the truck tool bill. If an owner can't make his monthly bill that tool co. will cut him off till he pays. Boxes are even worse. That mind set of I'll just pay when I want is the ruin of a lot of TM. Its not an easy job, when I got in they told me it was a half day job, only they didn't mention there is 24 hours in a day. After the day of dealing with mech. you still have to go home and take care of orders and the books. I sold a lot of used repo tools but that was just tring to get my money back. Used boxes were gold because thats where the money is in new box sales and trades.
I considered it just part of the deal. And in return, the best customer service I’ve ever had in my life in any category has been from tool guys. Snap-on in particular. I also had outstanding Matco and Cornwell dealers. These guys would come to my house where I worked after hours, they’d go to other dealers to get me out of a jam and many were personal friends.

It’s hard for young guys to imagine life before HF, Amazon and the internet but Sears just didn’t have even half of what a pro wrench needed to turn hours. Need a Cadillac NorthStar waterpump socket? Sears ain’t got that. Blow the fuse in your Fluke 87? Yeah good luck. Snap the end of your 3 foot impact extension for pulling transmissions? Nobody even had them let alone warranty them besides truck brands.
 

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I considered it just part of the deal. And in return, the best customer service I’ve ever had in my life in any category has been from tool guys. Snap-on in particular. I also had outstanding Matco and Cornwell dealers. These guys would come to my house where I worked after hours, they’d go to other dealers to get me out of a jam and many were personal friends.

It’s hard for young guys to imagine life before HF, Amazon and the internet but Sears just didn’t have even half of what a pro wrench needed to turn hours. Need a Cadillac NorthStar waterpump socket? Sears ain’t got that. Blow the fuse in your Fluke 87? Yeah good luck. Snap the end of your 3 foot impact extension for pulling transmissions? Nobody even had them let alone warranty them besides truck brands.
Not to mention the GM tamperproof torx special size seat belt socket.
 

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Not to mention the GM tamperproof torx special size seat belt socket.
Yup. The ol’ GM T47. One more of many things you couldn’t just get anywhere. I’ve exploded a dozen over the years. They are a wear item when you do it for a living. Snap on had the best hands down. My dealer left me a spare bit and I would swap as needed and turn in the broken part. Can’t say how many times I’ve seen brand after brand fail on the same fastener and a Snap on take it right out.
 

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Here’s another you couldn’t just get anywhere. Tool guys had one hanging on the ceiling. Many people won’t even know what the hell it is.

Hint: it is Not, I repeat NOT a valve spring tool.
 

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Here’s another you couldn’t just get anywhere. Tool guys had one hanging on the ceiling. Many people won’t even know what the hell it is.

Hint: it is Not, I repeat NOT a valve spring tool.
you got me, if I were to guess I would say a old school transmission spring compressor, or horn button compressor. Could be the tool ya need to open the kanueter valve to drain and replace blinker fluid. Maybe a old John Deer combine tool
 

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you got me, if I were to guess I would say a old school transmission spring compressor, or horn button compressor. Could be the tool ya need to open the kanueter valve to drain and replace blinker fluid. Maybe an old John Deer combine tool.

Door hinge sring tool.
Bingo. I used the hell out of this thing during the great GM door pins and bushings wars of the 90’s and 2000’s
 

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If I was a Total Newbie, I wouldn’t walk into a trade w/ nothing….

However In construction
if you had a truck you were golden! Your boss will buy you a shovel ! I never had to buy a Shovel until I became the boss!
lol

i think I would have some basic tools and a rolling HF cart.

When my nephew got started ( he is an Allison Transmission Tech on mid to HD trucks )
the family pulled together and bought him a bunch of tools for his birthday and Christmas etc….
It was Craftsman & IR 1/2 air impact & air ratchets but it was something ….
 

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Its not. 25 percent interest is common in consumer credit when the borrower does not have any credit or bad credit.

Common in credit cards, common with consumer product loans, even some used car loans. Its much cheaper if you have good credit, even more so if you dont use credit and pay for it with cash/check.

And if they turned away people with poor credit there would be congressional action to force the banks to lend to people who were not qualified as they have in the past.
I wasn’t talking about the interest rate.
The standard system at certain employers in the past (someone talking about the former Budd manufacturing company) was that there was usually someone who “ran the numbers” at the factory, in in each division of the factory.
By “ran the numbers” I mean, ran the numbers game, before the state lottery was common, as well as took sports bets, and probably loaned money as well.
Supposedly at Budd these were usually the Union shop Foreman.
Each week, bets would be taken and paid out, etc.
If you couldn’t pay your whole bet, the Foreman was there to at least collect the Vig.
The Foreman knew where you worked, and were to find you if you owed him money.

The Snap-On man shows up at your work each week.
Your dealership is his “official turf”, assigned to him by Snap-On, with other Snap-On dealers restricted from showing up at the same dealership.
He sells tools, on loan, to mechanics who may barely have the money to pay for the tools.
He shows up each week to collect a certain proportion of any debt owed.
Larger ticket items get lent out by Snap-On, rather than covered by the Snap-On dealer, but the Snap-On dealer is responsible for showing ip each week to collect “The Vig” on the tools and toolbox loans.
If the purchaser can’t pay, then the Snap-On man repossess the tools and toolbox.
The Snap-On man presumably doesn’t break people’s arms, or beat the debtor to death over unpaid Snap-On bills, but the system is somewhat similar.
 

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I wasn’t talking about the interest rate.
The standard system at certain employers in the past (someone talking about the former Budd manufacturing company) was that there was usually someone who “ran the numbers” at the factory, in in each division of the factory.
By “ran the numbers” I mean, ran the numbers game, before the state lottery was common, as well as took sports bets, and probably loaned money as well.
Supposedly at Budd these were usually the Union shop Foreman.
Each week, bets would be taken and paid out, etc.
If you couldn’t pay your whole bet, the Foreman was there to at least collect the Vig.
The Foreman knew where you worked, and were to find you if you owed him money.

The Snap-On man shows up at your work each week.
Your dealership is his “official turf”, assigned to him by Snap-On, with other Snap-On dealers restricted from showing up at the same dealership.
He sells tools, on loan, to mechanics who may barely have the money to pay for the tools.
He shows up each week to collect a certain proportion of any debt owed.
Larger ticket items get lent out by Snap-On, rather than covered by the Snap-On dealer, but the Snap-On dealer is responsible for showing ip each week to collect “The Vig” on the tools and toolbox loans.
If the purchaser can’t pay, then the Snap-On man repossess the tools and toolbox.
The Snap-On man presumably doesn’t break people’s arms, or beat the debtor to death over unpaid Snap-On bills, but the system is somewhat similar.
Its a mutual contract. One party says they will make payments, and they know the outcome if they dont. No different than a car or a house.

The person in the wrong it the borrower who has possession of of tool/tool box that they stopped making payments nor fully paid for.

The snap on man and franchise repossessing the unpaid for tools/toolbox is legal and not wrong, no matter how much you try to associate it with illegal and nefarious people/organizations. :headscrat

Sports bets(in the manner your talking about) are illegal and not a valid contract. Not similar at all. And no "tangible goods" are actually being transferred. Both sides are committing a crime, not entering into a legal contract.
 

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Its a mutual contract. One party says they will make payments, and they know the outcome if they dont. No different than a car or a house.

The person in the wrong it the borrower who has possession of of tool/tool box that they stopped making payments nor fully paid for.

The snap on man and franchise repossessing the unpaid for tools/toolbox is legal and not wrong, no matter how much you try to associate it with illegal and nefarious people/organizations. :headscrat
I wasn’t saying it was “nefarious and wrong”.
I was pointing out, that the way the business is set up, with the dealer selling tools, with a small amount collected on the debt each week, and the same dealer repossessing tools and toolboxes for non-payment of the debt, is very similar to the way traditional bookie and loan sharking businesses are run.
 

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I wasn’t saying it was “nefarious and wrong”.
I never said you did.

I said you were "associating" Snap On and its business practices with "illegal and nefarious people/organizations." A thing you very much did and then doubled down on and did again the very next sentence quoted below.
I was pointing out, that the way the business is set up, with the dealer selling tools, with a small amount collected on the debt each week, and the same dealer repossessing tools and toolboxes for non-payment of the debt, is very similar to the way traditional bookie and loan sharking businesses are run.
Its a slight of hand in a debate. You don't actually accuse them (in this case snap on) directly of immorality but hang the millstone around their neck by comparing them to some thing or some one that is morally detestable, in this case the mafia and its tactics.

The pilgrims made 4 quarterly installment payments, early farm machinery was purchased in that way. Even singer sew machines made headway above other competitors because of weekly installment payments. It was not something invented by the mafia.
 
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