Craftsman 150 drill press question

[lafester]

Craftsman 150 drill press and other tools

Update... I'm going to re-arrange this thread and make it my home base to dump pics and info of the tools I get.

It all started with the drill press. I looked on cl a few times and didn't see anything so I went with a cheap chinese model from Sears. About 2 days after I opened the box I came across this one on Letgo for $100 and quickly came here to research what these were.

Can anyone tell if this is the bench top or free standing model? Seller isn't getting back to me. Looks nice enough to check out regardless.



Jump down to post #8 to see the home coming pics, second parts dp for multi speed pulley, and then further down for the LONG story of the table lift find(s). The Atlas lift is great and really completes the drill press. Even with the heavy cross sled vise it has no trouble adjusting exactly where I need it. Also fits in my little 2 ft spot I have for it without hitting anything.

 

[lafester]

Next up was the Delta Homecraft 4" Jointer and Craftsman 6" Belt / 9" disc sander.
Got both for $100 and was another Letgo find. Seller didn't even mention the sander until I got there even though it was much more valuable then the jointer. I didn't know this at the time and hesitated @ $40 with motor and stand... never again.

I have them both mounted on the Craftsman steel rectangle stand and added some 2" casters so I can move it around. It works pretty well and since my space is limited it will have to do. I still need to rig up a dust chute or port as the shavings pile up quickly.

I still need to dial in the knives and learn how to use the jointer. I can get a pretty clean cut on the face but on the edge it tends to jump and make ripples on the wood.

After that I got the Craftsman 10" band saw and Ridgid 13" planer.

The bandsaw was completely dull and literally burning through cuts. Got some new blades and adjusted everything and now it works fine. I've been looking for an upgrade to 14" but these things move FAST under $150 and so far I have missed them all even if I respond within an hour.

The planer is great and I don't think I will upgrade to anything less then the top of the line dewalt. I did see one for $250 but it was gone withing a couple hours. I swapped in the new knives, adjusted the crank and it planes very smooth and straight. Rollers look good too. These planers are still being made by another company so almost every part is still available along with upgraded cutterheads.

I did find another Ridgid for $50 and took all the parts I needed to complete mine, cleaned it up and sold it for a good profit. Then took that profit and got my newest toy and obsession...

 

[lafester]

And the latest addition is the Craftsman 1/3 hp 'industrial' round top block grinder. I've always liked these but never, ever see them for sale so I just kind of gave up. Once again, I didn't find one on CL but instead on OfferUp. Its still there because I then found a better one on Facebook that came with a double pedestal stand. I paid up at $150 but the thing is mint and the stand alone is worth more then that.

I started searching around and these do pop up, but hardly ever on craigslist. They are small and out of the way so they sit in the garage until the owner dies or the company closes. The other option is garage sales where they are typically abused and the owner does not see any value left in them. Anyway there is a 1/2 hp commercial version I am going to try and get from a business. Looks complete with a bunch of stones and such. Only thing is it has a bad paint job but hopefully under that there is still some good paint.

So while the plan was to sell the double pedestal, I think having two grinders on it would just be too awesome to pass up. It was basically free after the planer flip so I'll just go with that for now. Other deals will come up, they always do.

 

[FrankLee]

Column height is 62". Overall height is a few more inches.

That one looks very clean and is a good price. The feed stop collar assembly is missing, so ask about that or use it as a negotiating point .

 

[lafester]

Column height is 62". Overall height is a few more inches.

That one looks very clean and is a good price. The feed stop collar assembly is missing, so ask about that or use it as a negotiating point .

Yeah I noticed that as well. Hopefully it's there somewhere. Going to look at it now.

Might also have a line on a 100 bench top with the reduction pully. Then I could convert this one and flip a cleaned up 100 free standing.

 

[American Locomotive]

$100 seems like a great price to me, missing stop collar included. Around here $100 might get you a crappy rusty Taiwanese standing drill press.

 

[lafester]

Just got back with it and it looks pretty sweet. Will have some pics soon. Came with a nice double sliding vise attached... That might be worth as much as the press.

Also heard back from the guy with the bench top so I might have another one tomorrow.

 

[lafester]

Here's a couple pics.

 

[lafester]

Oh and it just barely fit in my xterra after taking the base off. Surprisingly it came right off no problem. I know I should have done a proper teardown but I like to get out of peoples way quickly.

So I've read 16 pages of the epic thread and am working my way through it. I assume swapping reduction pulley, pole and base with a 100 model bench top is going to work?

 

[lafester]

Obviously the vise is a cheapie harbor freight but they are $75 so thats something. I also don't have one and they look pretty useful.

 

[FrankLee]

Just got back with it and it looks pretty sweet. Will have some pics soon. Came with a nice double sliding vise attached... That might be worth as much as the press.

Also heard back from the guy with the bench top so I might have another one tomorrow.

Here's a couple pics.

Oh and it just barely fit in my xterra after taking the base off. Surprisingly it came right off no problem. I know I should have done a proper teardown but I like to get out of peoples way quickly.

So I've read 16 pages of the epic thread and am working my way through it. I assume swapping reduction pulley, pole and base with a 100 model bench top is going to work?

Obviously the vise is a cheapie harbor freight but they are $75 so thats something. I also don't have one and they look pretty useful.

Excellent!

Yes. You can swap the head frames and convert the 150 to a bench model. You can also swap the tables if the 100 has the tilt version... if that's your preference.

The only issue you could have is if you wanted to move the slow-speed pulley to the 150 column. Early 100 column IDs were smaller and did not require the large snap rings around the base of the pulley. The 150 column IDs are larger and do.

That vise was a nice bonus. Even though it's from HF, it's still nicer than the one you didn't have before.

 

[lafester]

Excellent!

Yes. You can swap the head frames and convert the 150 to a bench model. You can also swap the tables if the 100 has the tilt version... if that's your preference.

The only issue you could have is if you wanted to move the slow-speed pulley to the 150 column. Early 100 column IDs were smaller and did not require the large snap rings around the base of the pulley. The 150 column IDs are larger and do.

That vise was a nice bonus. Even though it's from HF, it's still nicer than the one you didn't have before.

Cool. Here's a pic of the 100 for sale. I don't think the table tilts but it is hard to tell with the **** laying on it.

 

[FrankLee]

Cool. Here's a pic of the 100 for sale. I don't think the table tilts but it is hard to tell with the **** laying on it.

Yes, that's a tilt table.

That's looks like a Dayton motor and it's mounted high. The belt is not perpendicular to the motor shaft and the pulley shaft. Look for wear on the pulleys.

 

[lafester]

Yes, that's a tilt table.

That's looks like a Dayton motor and it's mounted high. The belt is not perpendicular to the motor shaft and the pulley shaft. Look for wear on the pulleys.

Yeah it does look a little high, thanks for pointing it out Hopefully it didn't cause any damage cause I have to drive a long way to get this. I like options so if the tilting table is in good condition I will probably keep that one.

 

[lafester]

Also wondering if anyone has found a good replacement source for the rapid adjust.

 

[lafester]

Kind of thinking about keeping it free standing after messing with it for awhile. I'll play with the bench top model and see which I like better.

Took off the vise and the table is pretty clean. Just one little drill mark 1/8" deep next to the center hole. The base is somewhat covered in paint but is coming off with some brake cleaner. For now I'm just going to clean it up a bit and see how she does.

 

[bubinga]

Column height is 62". Overall height is a few more inches.

That one looks very clean and is a good price. The feed stop collar assembly is missing, so ask about that or use it as a negotiating point .

Frank Is The "150 Answer man"
(Like remember the "Shell answer man" ?)
I was gonn'a say abt. 5 feet, so I guess that was a "good call" on My Part......lol...............
Good deal for $100.00 you did well.
let us know for sure if you get the bench one.
I got lucky on my 150.
I was reading Electric meters for a while (Good job @ one time, but they started subbing the jobs out,I was working for the sub.....)
but anyways, Was in a basement of a beauty supply store , and saw "my" bench top 150 sitting there. Asked the fellow about it, he said $40.00 and it's yours. Came to get it that weekend.
Did a face lift, all it really needed was clean up and paint .
Changed the bearings at a later date.
Later, put a treadmill motor on it.
basically, the TM motor was a 56 frame, and had a 5/8" key way in the shaft, so it was a clean swap.
Here are some pictures of it.
I think you will like your drill press(s).
Video of the tread mill conversion.

 

[exmaxima1]

Just got back with it and it looks pretty sweet. Will have some pics soon. Came with a nice double sliding vise attached... That might be worth as much as the press.
QUOTE]

That vise cost less than $60 brand new with discounts.

https://www.harborfreight.com/6-inch-cross-slide-vise-32997.html

 

[lafester]

Got the second one. It's a bit rough hopefully it cleans up ok. Table has a crack on one side.

 

[lafester]

Frank Is The "150 Answer man"
(Like remember the "Shell answer man" ?)
I was gonn'a say abt. 5 feet, so I guess that was a "good call" on My Part......lol...............
Good deal for $100.00 you did well.
let us know for sure if you get the bench one.
I got lucky on my 150.
I was reading Electric meters for a while (Good job @ one time, but they started subbing the jobs out,I was working for the sub.....)
but anyways, Was in a basement of a beauty supply store , and saw "my" bench top 150 sitting there. Asked the fellow about it, he said $40.00 and it's yours. Came to get it that weekend.
Did a face lift, all it really needed was clean up and paint .
Changed the bearings at a later date.
Later, put a treadmill motor on it.
basically, the TM motor was a 56 frame, and had a 5/8" key way in the shaft, so it was a clean swap.
Here are some pictures of it.
I think you will like your drill press(s).
Video of the tread mill conversion.

That is beautiful.

 

[bubinga]

Just got back with it and it looks pretty sweet. Will have some pics soon. Came with a nice double sliding vise attached... That might be worth as much as the press.
QUOTE]

That vise cost less than $60 brand new with discounts.

https://www.harborfreight.com/6-inch-cross-slide-vise-32997.html

I know what You're saying, exmaxima1, But It's still cool it came with it I guess. Just saying and all that.....lol.....
However, I never really looked at the HF cross slide vise, Are they that bad?

 

[bubinga]

That is beautiful.

Thank You lafester..............

BTY the TM motor and the controller was a free CL Item.

 

[bubinga]

I'd think as long as there is not a lot of slop in the XY vise, It should be OK.
are the Gibbs adjustable on that model?

 

[lafester]

I'd think as long as there is not a lot of slop in the XY vise, It should be OK.
are the Gibbs adjustable on that model?

What's a Gibb? It seems heavy duty and it's sure better then holding the piece by hand. I'll test it out and give a brief review in a day or two.

 

[lafester]

Yes, that's a tilt table.

That's looks like a Dayton motor and it's mounted high. The belt is not perpendicular to the motor shaft and the pulley shaft. Look for wear on the pulleys.

Hey the motor was loose and not even set up since he got it. It is a Dayton 1/2 horse.. should I keep that one over the nice looking craftsman 1/4 horse? The middle pulley is loose but not damaged that I can tell until I pull it out.

Also trying to decide if I should keep the tilt table. It has a crack on the side and several drill holes. My standard table is much nicer but smaller and doesn't tilt. Ugh.

 

[lafester]

Excellent!

Yes. You can swap the head frames and convert the 150 to a bench model. You can also swap the tables if the 100 has the tilt version... if that's your preference.

The only issue you could have is if you wanted to move the slow-speed pulley to the 150 column. Early 100 column IDs were smaller and did not require the large snap rings around the base of the pulley. The 150 column IDs are larger and do.

That vise was a nice bonus. Even though it's from HF, it's still nicer than the one you didn't have before.

So the IDs are the same but the snap rings are missing. Somebody attempted to fix by wrapping a wire around the top and twisting it so obviously it sat on top of the column where the twist is. Otherwise I think it is complete and doesn't look too banged up. I don't happen to have any spare bicycle spokes laying around so I will have to come up with something.

 

[FrankLee]

Hey the motor was loose and not even set up since he got it. It is a Dayton 1/2 horse.. should I keep that one over the nice looking craftsman 1/4 horse?
That's really a tough call. If they're both ball bearing, I'd lean towards the Dayton, and keep looking for a Craftsman, maybe an older model with a switch.
If that Dayton is loose on the mount, it's at it's lowest point on the mount which is too high for belt alignment. You could try flipping the motor mount 180 degrees to see if that helps, or use only two bolts to get proper alignment. I've done that before.

The middle pulley is loose but not damaged that I can tell until I pull it out.

Also trying to decide if I should keep the tilt table. It has a crack on the side and several drill holes. My standard table is much nicer but smaller and doesn't tilt. Ugh.
I'd definitely be using the nicer table.

So the IDs are the same but the snap rings are missing. Somebody attempted to fix by wrapping a wire around the top and twisting it so obviously it sat on top of the column where the twist is. Otherwise I think it is complete and doesn't look too banged up. I don't happen to have any spare bicycle spokes laying around so I will have to come up with something.

I bought spokes from a bike shop. IIRC, they were only a couple bucks each, so not bad.


What are your plans for the extra machine?



Also, please update your profile with your general location.

 

[exmaxima1]

I know what You're saying, exmaxima1, But It's still cool it came with it I guess. Just saying and all that.....lol.....
However, I never really looked at the HF cross slide vise, Are they that bad?

Sorry, I've never owned a HF vise or crosslide so I can't comment on the quality. I was only commenting on the actual cost. You did fine on your purchase.

 

[lafester]

I bought spokes from a bike shop. IIRC, they were only a couple bucks each, so not bad.


What are your plans for the extra machine?



Also, please update your profile with your general location.

Going to clean it up, grease it up and resell. Basically going to use it to practice and learn everything before starting on the keeper. Undecided on painting as I like how they look as is. Probably get more for it if its all pretty though.

I think I am going to keep the larger motor but still need to run it and make sure all is well. Pretty sure it does line up as it was actually lower then the middle pulley when I looked at it (first thing I noticed).

Still undecided on the table but you are probably right as always. Of course if I put the nicer table (and the craftsman motor) on the bench top it will look pretty good for sale.

Will check and see if I can find a spoke for sale. As always, great tip!

 

[lafester]

Reduction pulley pics.

 

[lafester]

Chuck seems to be missing a collar? Not sure what the collar even does. I suppose it can lock the Chuck for large bits? Wonder why people take these off. Probably broke it I guess.

 

[lafester]

Dayton motor specs. Doesn't seem to have an on off switch.

Looks pretty new. Fired it up and it sounds great. Pulley seems to spin true.

Put the new motor on the keeper press and it lines up perfectly. Tomorrow I should have some spokes and maybe I can test out everything.

 

[lafester]

Tilt table condition. I've been messing with getting the press apart and looking at that crack from underneath I don't think I will keep it. Also looks like more trouble then it is worth to use the tilt function anyway.

 

[lafester]

Sent an email to a local bike shop and it looks like they will give me a couple damaged spokes for my project.

Looking at the epic thread I don't see anything about taking the slow speed pulley apart for cleaning. I'll have to look again.

Now I'm considering parting it out and keeping the column and base in case I ever want to convert to bench top. I could also keep the tilt table that way and have both.

 

[FrankLee]

Chuck seems to be missing a collar? Not sure what the collar even does. I suppose it can lock the Chuck for large bits? Wonder why people take these off. Probably broke it I guess.

That looks like the original Jacobs chuck. If so, that machine was made before 1952 when chucks were equipped with an integrated safety collar. Your machine would have had a separate threaded collar. The collar is mainly used to protect the threads on the thrust collar and can also be used to force the chuck off the taper. At that time, a chuck release wedge came with these drill presses. The threaded collar was used with the wedge to release the chuck.

There are drill press accessories that attach to the tapered spindle necessitating the need for chuck removal; mortice attachment, shaper attachment, threaded arbor attachment, etc.

Dayton motor specs. Doesn't seem to have an on off switch.

Looks pretty new. Fired it up and it sounds great. Pulley seems to spin true.

Put the new motor on the keeper press and it lines up perfectly. Tomorrow I should have some spokes and maybe I can test out everything.

A foot switch works great for a switched or non-switched motor.

Sent an email to a local bike shop and it looks like they will give me a couple damaged spokes for my project.

Looking at the epic thread I don't see anything about taking the slow speed pulley apart for cleaning. I'll have to look again.

I just updated my MSA post with much more information
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=4870269&post4870269

Now I'm considering parting it out and keeping the column and base in case I ever want to convert to bench top. I could also keep the tilt table that way and have both.

A bench base, column and table make an excellent stand for a grinder, sander, etc.


If you're considering parting out the 100, you might keep that feed stop rod for your 150 until you find a rapid adjust assembly.

 

[lafester]

Great ideas and info as always. Thanks.

The 100 feed stop is missing the lock ring (or one of them anyway) but is still better then nothing I suppose.

I think I used the last available dedicated floor space for the dp. I will have to ponder where and what I would use the stand for but still a good idea. I've looked at yours and they are nice.

Probably will get a floor switch once I can find a deal on one. In the meantime I will just get a single outlet switch for the dp rather then mounting one on the motor / housing. I see HF has one for $14. Might be worth a shot until I can find a good one.

That looks like the original Jacobs chuck. If so, that machine was made before 1952 when chucks were equipped with an integrated safety collar. Your machine would have had a separate threaded collar. The collar is mainly used to protect the threads on the thrust collar and can also be used to force the chuck off the taper. At that time, a chuck release wedge came with these drill presses. The threaded collar was used with the wedge to release the chuck.

There are drill press accessories that attach to the tapered spindle necessitating the need for chuck removal; mortice attachment, shaper attachment, threaded arbor attachment, etc.



A foot switch works great for a switched or non-switched motor.



I just updated my MSA post with much more information
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=4870269&post4870269




A bench base, column and table make an excellent stand for a grinder, sander, etc.


If you're considering parting out the 100, you might keep that feed stop rod for your 150 until you find a rapid adjust assembly.

 

[lafester]

Ok thanks to the epic thread I got the 100 broken down except the damn table which currently is all the way to the end of the column. It's been quite a struggle to get the head off and the table this far.

Going to pick up my spokes and hopefully get the 150 running soon.

 

[FrankLee]

Ok thanks to the epic thread I got the 100 broken down except the damn table which currently is all the way to the end of the column. It's been quite a struggle to get the head off and the table this far.

Why do you suppose it's being so difficult? Is it because the lock cylinders are stuck, or the column is dirty or rusty? Or ?

 

[lafester]

Why do you suppose it's being so difficult? Is it because the lock cylinders are stuck, or the column is dirty or rusty? Or ?

The column has some surface rust. I let is soak overnight and the head came right off. I'm guessing the lock cylinders are stuck. Once I got it close enough to use my big clamp i was able to slide it down 'fairly' quickly. Now I just have those last 2 inches to go.

 

[lafester]

Spokes worked pretty good. I couldn't seem to get a perfect circle but I got it good enough to go in. Once it goes in it feels pretty solid even without tightening. Can't really test as one belt is an inch too big... almost seems like I could go to 26" for the back there is so much room.