Craftsman 19.2v C3 Fans
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woodturner9
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Have you tried the impact driver style of screwdriver?
When the allen key and the BFH fail, chuck an allen bit with an impact wrench on the other end. Hasn't failed yet.
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vette-kid
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They do have the kobalt 24v line. No experience, but they feel pretty solid. That made me wonder about their future plans as those two would seem to be a direct competitors.
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deberly12
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Finally a use for that tool we all HAD to buy and is still in it's package lol.
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EOC_Jason
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I killed the clutch in a drill when I tried that way. If you do it, be sure to just do very short bursts...
Thanks. That is something I never considered. I am not sure why that can happen but I never gave much thought to how the clutch works, either. Have you figured out why this happened? I would be interested to know.
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EOC_Jason
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From what I could feel when messing around with them, the drill can absorb a strong shock in a short-range of motion (which would make sense because if you were drilling and it bound up or similar situation). Past a certain range it feels like a hard stop, my guess is a pin or clip or something, think similar to when your car's transmission is in park... Too much force and that 'pin' breaks (you will definitely feel / hear it), and after that the drill won't be able to take much resistance, it acts like you have the clutch on 1 or 2, regardless of the setting. Once you bork that, there is definitely no way to get the chuck off, and without removing the chuck you can't take the drill apart to replace the clutch mechanism (though it's probably cost-prohibitive to try and replace anyhow).
vette-kid
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I have had good success with those breaking lose stubborn screws that would otherwise strip.
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Just realized that since the screw is backthrreded the impact screwdriver won't work. It only does its magic counterclockwise. Just went and used my power impact driver with a long bit. Removed it with one try. Of course, with the new chuck on, the retaining screw doesn't catch. Grrr. The chuck is on tight. It's not going anywhere, but frustrating that the screw won't catch now.
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EOC_Jason
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Maybe try adding a lock-washer?
Got an email today about winning a trip to the new Craftsman launch in August. In the email, silhouetted, cordless tools are clearly shown. Should be interesting.
They have the shape of Dewalt cordless tools. Could be the end of the C3 line as we know it.
They have the shape of Dewalt cordless tools. Could be the end of the C3 line as we know it.
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woodturner9
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Seems like a lot to read into a marketing person's idea of what looks nice. Probably just grabbed images from a stock site, may not be representative of any real tools at all.
EOC_Jason
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It wouldn't make sense to make them Dewalt battery compatible, then people would just buy Dewalt... I bet they will be the same as the current C3 line as to not upset the existing users...
Unless they come out with some newer voltage... But I doubt they would do that.
Unless they come out with some newer voltage... But I doubt they would do that.
Oh, it won't be DeWalt compatible. That's for certain. But if those silhouette images are correct, then the batteries are DeWalt based, just like SBD's Porter-Cable and Stanley branded power tools. Saves on engineering and tooling.
Again, IF those images are correct and not just random SBD images the marketing person used to make the ad look nice, I think SBD is kind of phoning it in here by not continuing C3. Yes, it would be expensive to engineer and tool new cordless tools and batteries to be C3-compatible, versus just rehashing current DeWalt/Porter Cable/Stanley cordless power tools with Craftsman colors and logos. But there are millions of C3 users currently out there. When you're trying to re-launch a brand, would it not be worth the costs to tap into that large existing customer base instead of starting from scratch?
I think SBD is going to have a hard time making the Craftsman purchase profitable. In Craftsman's heyday before Sears started effing things up 10 years ago, one could walk into any Sears and there was a huge amount of square-footage in any store dedicated to tools, and probably 90% of it was Craftsman. There was a HUGE selection of Craftsman stuff. SBD is re-launching the brand with Lowes. Lowes tool section is smaller in square-footage than what Sears typically had, and unlike Sears' complete dedication to their Craftsman brand, Lowes' tool section may turn into what? Will it even be 10% Craftsman? Lowes sells tons of brands of tools. I don't see this new Craftsman being very successful for SBD with an aisle and a couple end displays of tools at Lowes. And phoning in the cordless tool line (again, assuming that's the case that they are rehashing current tools) certainly won't help.
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EOC_Jason
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I'm betting it was just marketing using existing stock images... Marketing people are not tool people, they have no clue.
I don't know if this shameless promotion is OK in this thread, but I'm selling my 3 12v nextec tools in the classifieds. One is a 1/4 right angle impact, which is priced rather crazy on ebay and amazon. Maybe I priced it a bit crazy too, but thought you guys may like it.
Anyone ever seen one of these?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Very-Very-...380057.m570.l1313.TR11.TRC1.A0.H0.XCR200.TRS0
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Very-Very-...380057.m570.l1313.TR11.TRC1.A0.H0.XCR200.TRS0
Crazyjake8493
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Yeah, they're not that rare. I know two or three people that have them, good for small yards, trimming grass, no heavy weeds.
vette-kid
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Are you sure you're not thinking of one of these? The CR2000?
Yeah, I have one and, yeah, they are not rare. I own a couple. Ebay listing history does not show that one of those ones the seller has listed has ever been listed before on ebay, and I can't find any info on that part number.
deberly12
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I think I would actually prefer it to be the end over this weird limbo we have been in.Got an email today about winning a trip to the new Craftsman launch in August. In the email, silhouetted, cordless tools are clearly shown. Should be interesting.
They have the shape of Dewalt cordless tools. Could be the end of the C3 line as we know it.
If they are going to change the design why keep them at all. Why do we need yet another brand of power tools that is just a copy of several other brands but don't use the same batteries. It reminds me of the Milwaukee rigid and Ryobi problems. three separate battery lines all made by the same company that all have certain tools that the other ones don't. if you were going to have several pool lines make them all use the same batteries that way you can buy high-end for the tools that you need to be high in and save some money on the ones that you don't.
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raney
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Hi guys, I am new to this forum but have been reading through a bunch of the posts. I have a bunch of the C3 tools and was wondering if you could give me an idea what I can reasonably expect to get for them. I have at least 20 items that I am keeping but these are the dozen or so I am looking to sell. Any info you could give me would be appreciated. The only tools I don't currently have that I am looking for or would possibly trade for are the small Blue tooth radio, large circular saw, and the HD 1/2" impact.
NWT and manuals:
Planer
Cut out tool
Router
Blower Vac
Hand Vac
Impact Driver
Sander
Right Angle Drill
No tags but new or good shape:
2 jigsaws
Sawzall
Stapler
Inflator
Craftsman Rolling Case
NWT and manuals:
Planer
Cut out tool
Router
Blower Vac
Hand Vac
Impact Driver
Sander
Right Angle Drill
No tags but new or good shape:
2 jigsaws
Sawzall
Stapler
Inflator
Craftsman Rolling Case
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lafester
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The router, planer and cutout tool are valuable. I've seen new planers go over $200.
The stapler and blower vac will do well in great shape.
The rest are common.
Look at ebay sold listings to see how much they sell for.
The stapler and blower vac will do well in great shape.
The rest are common.
Look at ebay sold listings to see how much they sell for.
vette-kid
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I'd love a router and hand vac, but prices are generally higher than I'm willing to pay
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deberly12
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Oh look they painted DeWalt red....
https://toolguyd.com/craftsman-20v-cordless-power-tools-brushless-made-in-usa/
So c3 is officially dead I'm guessing....no way they are going to make both.
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https://toolguyd.com/craftsman-20v-cordless-power-tools-brushless-made-in-usa/
So c3 is officially dead I'm guessing....no way they are going to make both.
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EOC_Jason
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I'm sure as long as Sears is around they will continue to sell the C3... Unless Stanley gives them a better price deal...
Y00PER
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SBD won't make both. But Sears is allowed to source their own Craftsman products, so the C3 could be available at Sears for years (lol, like Sears will survive that long) to come. If Sears decides to get their tools from SBD instead of whoever they currently do, then the C3 line will disappear before Sears its self does
EOC_Jason
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Just noticed on the www.lowes.com homepage they have the "craftsman" 20V drill...
I'll buy a few more C3 lithium batteries to make my C3 tools last longer. Will probably start updating my C3 yard tools (weedeater and blower) with something newer and with more voltage. Hopefully I can get 4 or 5 more years out of my C3 tools before I need to replace them with something else.
Color me unimpressed. Very little from that line is better than C3. And that 1/2" impact wrench is worse. That is the older DeWalt 20v MAX model now in red instead of yellow, and it is TERRIBLE. DeWalt claims 350 ft lbs but it isn't. The C3 Heavy Duty 1/2" Impact model is noticeably stronger. Unless this V20 is VERY cheaply priced, I would recommend Ryobi One+ or the Kobalt 24MAX to anyone not wanting to pay Milwaukee/DeWalt/Makita prices. The Ryobi line is actually pretty nice (looks nicer than this new V20) and the line is HUGE. Kobalt's line is small, but all their tools are really solid brushless performers, the batteries are great, and everything is pretty cheap (especially those great batteries. People buy them and rob them for their cells).
C3 actually has a lot more tools (now available only on eBay) than are listed there for V20. There are two V20 tools that look stronger than the C3 ones (the miter saw and the shop vac), and there are the two tools that V20 offers that C3 doesn't (random orbit sander and 16 gauge nailer). Of those 4 tools, the One+ version is going to be better than the V20. If one's C3 tools are failing, there is zero reason to change to V20. Go Ryobi or Kobalt.
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deberly12
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I wanted an impact a while ago....I started looking at Milwaukee. The 1100 ftlbs (at the time new model is 1400) talked me into it. So glad they are miles ahead of c3. Like the difference between a raised panel and a 72 tooth. I still have alot of c3 and as it does will convert over. I will probably supplement with some ryobi where I don't need the high end milwaukee. Some of the old c3 is exactly like the Ryobi.
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Interesting article.
Stanley, Sears to have competing Craftsman tool brands
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-stanley-craftsman-tools-rollout-0820-story.html
Stanley, Sears to have competing Craftsman tool brands
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-stanley-craftsman-tools-rollout-0820-story.html
Saw this instagram photo of the demo models of the new SBD cordless line at the launch event. Notice the lone C3 drill in that line up? It is the little 3/8" C3 drill that comes packaged with the little 1.3ah battery. Its list price is $59 as a kit and frequently on sale for $49. SBD used the worst C3 drill available to prove to attendees how much better their new V20 line is. Yikes.
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