craftsman boycott

[american lockpicker]

I love how Sears is the only company that "goes out of their way to deceptively hide COO" by doing exactly what every other importer does, and discreetly placing COO markings on the backs of packages.

Give me a freakin' break.

Its clearly marked here.

BTW this is not my drill I wouldn't be caught dead using a cheap chinese tool.

 

[wreckerman5357]

And going to HF helps how? I just bought 3 tool boxes, and exchanged a ratchet and screw driver at sears this week... All made in the usa. Sure, some stuff is being made in taiwan and china now, but lots of stuff is still USA made. So I just buy the USA stuff, no biggie in my opinion.

Personally, I'm glad SO and HF, aren't the only options out there. I love the SO and other high end tools but for a shade tree like me, Cman works great.

As far as I know there is not a single US made toolbox currently sold with the Craftsman name on it and there hasn't been for quite some time. I know my Griplatch box is as Chinese as it comes and also as ****** as it comes. Wish I would have bought an HF box, for less money I could have got an equally Chinese but much less ****** box. Thanks Craftsman.

 

[pipsters]

As far as I know there is not a single US made toolbox currently sold with the Craftsman name on it and there hasn't been for quite some time. I know my Griplatch box is as Chinese as it comes and also as ****** as it comes. Wish I would have bought an HF box, for less money I could have got an equally Chinese but much less ****** box. Thanks Craftsman.

I'm 90% sure the Craftsman boxes are built in Mexico. At least most of them. The International rebrands are Canadian made.

 

[kythri]

Its clearly marked here.

I was being facetious...

 

[Red Leader]

Just go for the older Craftsman stuff - it's more fun anyway

 

[american lockpicker]

Just go for the older Craftsman stuff - it's more fun anyway

Their older powertools last forever.

 

[LordGav1n]

I myself have considered Craftsman pneumatic tools because they're cheap but i notcied they're made in china as well. As an aircraft mechanic, i need my tools to last. I'll buy HF or HD tools for house work.

 

[stricht8]

I noticed today that the RP flex head ratchets and low profile ratchets are made in China. Yikes! What are we doing to ourselves here in th USA. I can't blame Sears for jumping on the bandwagon. If MAC and SO do it then why shouldn't Sears. This doesn't mean that I'd ever buy that stuff. I'll just buy whatever is available that Made in the USA from other manufacturers or buy US made Cman still on the shelves or buy used. This country is going downhill fast.

 

[dankicksass]

I myself have considered Craftsman pneumatic tools because they're cheap but i notcied they're made in china as well. As an aircraft mechanic, i need my tools to last. I'll buy HF or HD tools for house work.

Craftsman will deny all warranty claims if you tell them you use their air tools professionally. Stick with IR and you'll be a happy guy.

 

[WHT]

I think that is is over blown with the american icon. Stanley are outsourced as well as most other US icon brands. You can get proto ratchets made in the USA, but if you want a high teeth count proto they are made in taiwan. Bluepoint is a mix as well. Matco and Snapon have outsourced tools as well. I do not know when was the last time I saw a made in the USA Milwaukee power tool, another US icon in power tools. Think Cman getting over blamed, while it seems other brands get a past.

As far as I know, Proto ratchets are NOT made in Taiwan.

Proto's Challenger line can be made in Taiwan. However, your statement is like saying Snap-on is also made in Taiwan because some Bluepoint tools are made there. Apples and orages. Most tool manufacturers have a cheap line of tools.

 

[MN Falcon]

http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/PROTO-Long-Handle-Ratchet-1FX34?Pid=search

Proto 1FX34, 3/8" drive 72 tooth gear. COO USA, $53.30

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00944995000P?prdNo=17&blockNo=17&blockType=G17

Actually I was impressed. When I got my thin profile in exchange for a worn out EE series ratchet last fall the price in the store was about $45 for this Taiwan ratchet. They have come down in price a bunch, so maybe Sears will reprice their offshored stuff? $32.99 list and on sale for $29.69 for the 3/8" drive Craftsman thin profile ratchet.

 

[shoturtle]

If you want a high teeth count, they are made in taiwan. I had called proto about a high teeth count ratchet. They have them but all of them are taiwan made.

Yes bluepoint and williams are snapon's lower price brands. They come from all over the world. Even some Kline tools branded Kline are made in asia. But there are some snapon branded tools that are asian made. I do not buy into if it is snapon it is us made. That is why you need to look at the coo their tools. It is not apples to oranges, it is apples to apples. Comparing Cmans to so is apples to oranges. Stanley to cman is oranges to oranges.

As far as I know, Proto ratchets are NOT made in Taiwan.

Proto's Challenger line can be made in Taiwan. However, your statement is like saying Snap-on is also made in Taiwan because some Bluepoint tools are made there. Apples and orages. Most tool manufacturers have a cheap line of tools.

 

[MN Falcon]

Is the Proto ratchet that I post not a high tooth count or is the COO on Grainger's site incorrect?

If you want a high teeth count, they are made in taiwan. I had called proto about a high teeth count ratchet. They have them but all of them are taiwan made.

Yes bluepoint and williams are snapon's lower price brands. They come from all over the world. Even some Kline tools branded Kline are made in asia. But there are some snapon branded tools that are asian made. I do not buy into if it is snapon it is us made. That is why you need to look at the coo their tools. It is not apples to oranges, it is apples to apples. Comparing Cmans to so is apples to oranges. Stanley to cman is oranges to oranges.

 

[shoturtle]

None of the Proto on grainger are high teeth count. You need to look at the proto blackhawks, they have the dual that are 86t

 

[MN Falcon]

Ok, I would have thought 72 was high tooth count considering that most have less than 40 teeth, but I guess I learned something new.

 

[shoturtle]

It is a 43t but dual so it comes out to 86t

 

[shoturtle]

This is the dual from grainger, but all the said is fine gearing. But when you look at the proto site, it said 43t dual making 86t
http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/BLACKHAWK-BY-PROTO-Ratchet-6UAG3?Pid=search

And this is the other high teeth, a 60t
http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/BLACKHAWK-BY-PROTO-Rotator-Ratchet-4GA67?Pid=search

 

[WHT]

If you want a high teeth count, they are made in taiwan. I had called proto about a high teeth count ratchet. They have them but all of them are taiwan made.

Yes bluepoint and williams are snapon's lower price brands. They come from all over the world. Even some Kline tools branded Kline are made in asia. But there are some snapon branded tools that are asian made. I do not buy into if it is snapon it is us made. That is why you need to look at the coo their tools. It is not apples to oranges, it is apples to apples. Comparing Cmans to so is apples to oranges. Stanley to cman is oranges to oranges.

OK, can you give me the part number of the Proto ratchet (not Challenger or Blackhawk ratchet) made in Taiwan? I guess I need to see it for myself. As said previously, Challenger and Blackhawk are not Proto ratchets anymore than Bluepoint is the same as Snap-on.

 

[shoturtle]

proto black hawk are the ones with high teeth count. But blackhawk with 60t or 86t are made in taiwan. The proto 72t is assembled in the US but uses a taiwan gearing. It is the same gearing on pretty much all 72t ratchets.

 

[terry603]

I see craftsman as American Icon. I know that they have been making they're powertools overseas for along time, but now with there hand tools its the last straw.I have all craftsman tool boxes and tools at home even my lawn mower is craftsman. BUt making hand tools in china. I know almost every thing is made in china this computer im typing on im sure was made in china. But not my Craftsman tools. Feel free to debate with me of prove me wrong.

this is a dead horse

i can remember when ford,chevy,dodges were made in USA also,yet i'll bet you are still buying cars.

fine if you do not want an imported hand tool.just come up with a better reasoning

 

[stricht8]

this is a dead horse

i can remember when ford,chevy,dodges were made in USA also,yet i'll bet you are still buying cars.

fine if you do not want an imported hand tool.just come up with a better reasoning

Not as dead as you think. There is a lot of antipathy for China made items, especially tools.

 

[MN Falcon]

proto black hawk are the ones with high teeth count. But blackhawk with 60t or 86t are made in taiwan. The proto 72t is assembled in the US but uses a taiwan gearing. It is the same gearing on pretty much all 72t ratchets.

http://www.stanleyproto.com/default...250&strSiteName=PROTO&strDefaultCatalog=PROTO

Actually I have to totally apologize, Proto's website gives very different info on the J5250. Looks like Granger has some bad info on its site, it even says that the J5250 is a round head. Now I would like to know what info it got messed up though. Maybe they got the info mixed up with the J5252A, looks like with 4deg it would be close to 72 tooth?

http://www.stanleyproto.com/default...c=3/8"+Drive+Standard+Round+Head+Ratchet

 

[shoturtle]

would not be the first time I seen grainger with a confusing info. But your 2 link on is a 45t I believe but done right you can have 4 degree of swing, and it is not made in the US.

 

[WHT]

proto black hawk are the ones with high teeth count. But blackhawk with 60t or 86t are made in taiwan. The proto 72t is assembled in the US but uses a taiwan gearing. It is the same gearing on pretty much all 72t ratchets.

OK, one more time. Stanley Proto makes ratchets for Stanley, Challenger and also Blackhawk through their world-wide manufacturing facilities. These are 71t ratchets, but they are NOT Proto ratchets and they are not marked as Proto ratchets. Some on eBay also confuse the issue further by trying to use the Proto name for products made by Proto, but are not sold as Proto.

"IMPORTANT NOTE:
THESE ARE PROTO RATCHETS, BUT THE WORD PROTO
DOES NOT APPEAR ON THESE RATCHETS.
THE WORDS "PRECISION SERIES" IS STAMPED ON THEM.
THESE WERE PURCHASED IN BULK DIRECTLY FROM THE MANUFACTURER.
PLEASE PURCHASE ACCORDINGLY.

THE WORLD'S SMALLEST RATCHET HEADS DESIGNED TO
ACCESS FASTENERS WHERE STANDARD RATCHETS FAIL.

Up for Sale is a 3 Piece PROTO PRECISION SERIES RATCHET SET."

They also do the same by implying Williams and Bluepoint are Snap-on. They might be manufactured by the same organization, but they do not belong to their prestige line made in the USA and stamped USA.

Can you please give me the actual model number of a Proto ratchet (and marked Proto) with parts made in Taiwan (not something marked and sold as Stanley, Challenger or Blackhawk)? The yellow handled 72t ratchets shown in the Proto catalog and described as "ratchets, other" are clearly listed and marked as Stanley ratchets. Just want to check it out for myself.

 

[shoturtle]

Don't know about that 72t that was link from grainger, but when I did a search of the proto website, not the blackhawk line. The highest count I found for proto is 45t. That 72t form grainger might be a misprint.

But here are the proto line ratchets form the proto website.
http://www.stanleyproto.com/default...ETS&strSiteName=PROTO&strDefaultCatalog=PROTO

 

[toolmaker1]

proto premium series are the usa fine tooth rat's, awesome tools.

 

[shoturtle]

it is a very nice tool, very smooth 45t ratchet.

 

[powertrip]

Thought this was a craftsman boycott thread.

 

[thesilverone]

now we're boycotting proto

 

[shoturtle]

if people want to boycott cmans for out sourcing, almost all too brands does it tool. if you boycott all the brands that outsource that will leave you very limited, just wright and armstrong I think.