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I brought DP#40 home this evening (Otisville); a 150 floor standing model 113.24511. I've had this one sold to the buyer of DP#23 long before I found it. This one has a Pressmate table lift and another unexpected surprise that I have to investigate tomorrow.






Interested in hearing what the surprise is.


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The drought is over!

Somehow you always manage to get nice bonuses.


I brought DP#40 home this evening (Otisville); a 150 floor standing model 113.24511. I've had this one sold to the buyer of DP#23 long before I found it. This one has a Pressmate table lift and another unexpected surprise that I have to investigate tomorrow.

 

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I was able to finally get out to the shed Friday and work on my DP. I always wanted a mid 50's Chevy pickup since I regrettably sold my 57 when I was 19 or 20. My brother convinced me to run over to Illinois and look at one that popped up on the internet. I made it back out yesterday and got some pictures of the base of my drill press going back together. I used Rustoleum Hammer Gold on most of the DP but some Hammered Bronze on the motor and one side of the mounting plate. I used Silverado Sparkle Silver on the handles and other pieces. It has so much metallic in it, I have a tough tome with sags. I have sanded them a couple times.
 

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Here is a couple more pictures of the DP and the pick up I bought.
 

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Flickr was acting up much of the day and I was finally able to upload new pictures earlier this afternoon.


The drought is over!

Somehow you always manage to get nice bonuses.

Yes, finally.

This is a very decent machine.

The original paint on the head frame is very good The paint on the table is ok and I think it'll clean up nicely.



It came with a 1/4 hp GE motor, but I've got a couple period-appropriate 1/2 hp Craftsman motors that will work well.

Besides the obvious heavy rust in areas, there are a few other issues. The chuck is very stiff, the feed stop collar is seized, and the pinion shaft on the Pressmate is seized. Those are all soaking now in penetrants.

Despite the rust, it came completely apart for transporting at the seller's place with just a little difficulty.



Wow! I wish I had that headband.

This head frame panel is the nicest I've had.... barely a scratch on it.



We are all patiently awaiting pictures of the unexpected surprise.

Interested in hearing what the surprise is.

The base is the unexpected surprise... and not a good one. I've never seen anything like it.

When I brought the base down to the basement, I vacuumed out all the spider nests and cobwebs that usually accumulate underneath.



I thought the orange lines were cobwebs, but when they were not coming up with the vacuum, I discovered they were rusty cracks, major cracks. Five of the vertical ribs are cracked and ~8" on the left side of the horizontal surface is cracked.



I didn't see any other breaks or trauma that would indicate the unit fell. It could have been set down hard during a move. It also makes me wonder if these cracks occurred at the factory when the casting was cooling. It's such a strange pattern... nearly all the way around the column mount.

Regardless of how it happened, this base will be scrapped. I'm not going risk anyone getting hurt if it let go. Luckily, I have spare bases, so it's not a big deal.



I was able to finally get out to the shed Friday and work on my DP. I always wanted a mid 50's Chevy pickup since I regrettably sold my 57 when I was 19 or 20. My brother convinced me to run over to Illinois and look at one that popped up on the internet. I made it back out yesterday and got some pictures of the base of my drill press going back together. I used Rustoleum Hammer Gold on most of the DP but some Hammered Bronze on the motor and one side of the mounting plate. I used Silverado Sparkle Silver on the handles and other pieces. It has so much metallic in it, I have a tough tome with sags. I have sanded them a couple times.
Here is a couple more pictures of the DP and the pick up I bought.

The drill press is looking great, but that Chevy is awesome!
 

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The base is the unexpected surprise... and not a good one. I've never seen anything like it.

When I brought the base down to the basement, I vacuumed out all the spider nests and cobwebs that usually accumulate underneath.


I thought the orange lines were cobwebs, but when they were not coming up with the vacuum, I discovered they were rusty cracks, major cracks. Five of the vertical ribs are cracked and ~8" on the left side of the horizontal surface is cracked.


I didn't see any other breaks or trauma that would indicate the unit fell. It could have been set down hard during a move. It also makes me wonder if these cracks occurred at the factory when the casting was cooling. It's such a strange pattern... nearly all the way around the column mount.

Regardless of how it happened, this base will be scrapped. I'm not going risk anyone getting hurt if it let go. Luckily, I have spare bases, so it's not a big deal.

That is odd. Makes me want to check mine out, I don't think I've ever looked underneath.
 
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That is odd. Makes me want to check mine out, I don't think I've ever looked underneath.

It IS odd. Like I said, I've never seen this before, but I have seen how rough Emerson castings are compared to King-Seeley castings. You can see how the edges of the t-slot are badly chipped and rough on the underside.

 
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It IS odd. Like I said, I've never seen this before, but I have seen how rough Emerson castings are compared to King-Seeley castings. You can see how the edges of the t-slot are badly chipped and rough on the underside.




Looks like Emerson took the contract and didn’t have the same caliber of quality personnel that King Seeley had. Or maybe why they got the contract because they underbid and had to cut corners.


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Looks like Emerson took the contract and didn’t have the same caliber of quality personnel that King Seeley had. Or maybe why they got the contract because they underbid and had to cut corners.


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I believe Emerson bought out King Seeley at the time. Probably had to move production on short notice. My base casting is rough like that one but the head looks great.

Ok just tipped mine to check it out and I sure don't see anything like that. No chips or cracks thankfully.
 
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Here is a couple more pictures of the DP and the pick up I bought.

Nice truck! What did that set you back?

What's under the hood?

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I don't want to get too far from the subjects of the forum, but I was proud of getting this. Bringing it home April 1st. Rust free California truck. Every one around here is rotted out. He wouldn't budge off $14K which I thought was very reasonable. Other than being bone-stock, he put in a 350 with Holley 650. He is sending the original 6 banger home with me as well as boxes and boxes of spare parts and originals that he replaced. It it were in my driveway and I was wanting to sell it, it wouldn't leave for under $20K. Got to do some work on it. It was brought from his move from California 10 years ago and has been in storage since. I need to flush out fuel system and brake system before I feel it is road worth. Probably need to get new tires too. Send me your email address and I will send you more really cool pics of the bed. Sorry for highjacking thread. Bear
 

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I got a little more done on the DP today. Hopefully finish tomorrow. I took a video of the motor mounted and being started for the 1st time. Is there a way to attach the video to forum? Thx Bear
 

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I got a little more done on the DP today. Hopefully finish tomorrow. I took a video of the motor mounted and being started for the 1st time. Is there a way to attach the video to forum? Thx Bear

Outstanding work on that one!

A couple observations...
The feed stop collar is upside down and the lock screw should be tightened on the threads so the screw will not scar the scale.

The lock handle on the right side may interfere with operating the feed handles. Sometimes a switch box is installed on the left side which prompts the switching of the lock to the right. If the handle is required on the right side. You can rotate the threaded lock cylinder 180 degrees so the lock handle can point away from the feed handles.


I don't think you can upload video directly to GJ. You'll likely need to use a video hosting site and then link to it.
 
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I got a little more done today. After I downloaded pictures today, I see I put the wrong decal on the headband. Something to correct tomorrow. I am pretty much done until I get my nephews here to help put it on the bench. Then touch ups and wax. I still need to polish handles and adjust the quill return spring. The "150" I put on there needs to be leveled once I get it off the floor. I still want to find a good headband. I installed one of the belt key chain retractors under the motor to hold the chuck key. I still need to get over to Sears before they go belly-up and get a screw driver so I can put the handle on it.

Thanks to everyone's suggestions and tutorials so I could do this. Now I want another one. Bear
 

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I got a little more done today. After I downloaded pictures today, I see I put the wrong decal on the headband. Something to correct tomorrow. I am pretty much done until I get my nephews here to help put it on the bench. Then touch ups and wax. I still need to polish handles and adjust the quill return spring. The "150" I put on there needs to be leveled once I get it off the floor. I still want to find a good headband. I installed one of the belt key chain retractors under the motor to hold the chuck key. I still need to get over to Sears before they go belly-up and get a screw driver so I can put the handle on it.

Thanks to everyone's suggestions and tutorials so I could do this. Now I want another one. Bear

Excellent work, Bear! Wanting the next one is normal. Don't fight the addiction. LoL!



I got a lot done on dp#40 yesterday and today. The internal assemblies, the chuck, feed stop collar, the Pressmate, and the table were all cleaned.

IIRC, the seller said this dp was in his father's barn unused for 20 years. The table had a very unusual rust pattern, like liquid droplets. It could be rain drops, fertilizer spray, insecticide spray, bird droppings, mouse/animal piss.

Because of the possibility of hantavirus (HPS), I was very cautious during clean-up. I sprayed it liberally with disinfectant first and used a respirator and vacuum while I sanded off the rust. It did clean up better than I expected though. It still has some staining, but looks a thousand times better.

 
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Curious how you guys are removing the top bearing on the pulley.
Can't seem to fit anything behind there to pull it off.
 

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Hi ! You really have it looking great ! When I try and enlarge the pics they become distorted .. so I’m not positive about my next assumption .. did you put a light inside the drill press? I seem to see a wire from motor to top of head ??? I’m getting close to installing a light on mine.. so it perks my interest!! One other thought about yours is.. since you have a single pulley on motor you might want to raise motor up high and then lower pulley to adapt to various speed setting.. looks like in its current position you would have to keep adjusting motor height to change speeds.
 

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Frank listed his way of removing a stubborn upper pulley...


https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=4771515&post4771515

It’s in the link attached.. about half way down the page ...

The good news is if it’s tight on the shaft.. then the pulley has not spun on the shaft and most likely shaft is good !!!

I hope so... everything looks like new in there so it would be surprising if something like that has happened. This one bearing just felt dried out so I figured I might as well replace them.

Got it... Thanks again to FrankLee

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Hi ! You really have it looking great ! When I try and enlarge the pics they become distorted .. so I’m not positive about my next assumption .. did you put a light inside the drill press? I seem to see a wire from motor to top of head ??? I’m getting close to installing a light on mine.. so it perks my interest!! One other thought about yours is.. since you have a single pulley on motor you might want to raise motor up high and then lower pulley to adapt to various speed setting.. looks like in its current position you would have to keep adjusting motor height to change speeds.

The cord is the motor cord. I'm going to feed it down the "post" to the pedal. I put a couple small clamps to keep it away from the belt. The largest pulley on the quill pulley had a chunk broke out of it, so I used a grinder and removed the remaining part. I figure I will want to run the speed fairly slow, hence the small pullet on the motor. Hopefully I will get by with the slowest quill speed. (Until I get a new quill pulley). I want to figure out how I can mount a lamp.
 

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I’m definitely installing a light on the drill press.. I haven’t figured all the details out yet but I desire to not have to install another switch on the drill press.. I also desire that the light is not an obstacle to quickly disassemble the motor from the drill press.. Im gonna install a metal flex light mounted to the lower motor mount frame.. I just ordered this one on eBay .. the light already has a switch installed on the lamp cone .. I plan on removing the lamp base.. and adapting a small electric box to the lower motor base To secure the light With the wire hot all the time.
 

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Dp#40

For the most part, I've got the head frame for DP#40 reassembled today.



This dp#40 is Emerson Electric Company's first generation after taking over King-Seeley's manufacturing of Craftsman machines. EEC used this same paint color through their third generation dp's and beyond.

I still had parts from an EEC third gen dp#38 part-out and decided to use the painted feed stop bracket and the painted hub & pinion assembly on this machine. The original chrome hub was somewhat pitted.




4/4/2018

DP#40 is complete and was delivered to the buyer on 4/8.

 
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I picked up this craftsman drill press. It appears to be running well but there are three loose collars on the quill. It looks like it’s a craftsman 12 1/4” model. Is there a parts manual? And idea on why these parts are loose?
 

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I like it. Just missed a $50 very clean 3rd gen emerson by a few minutes. It was a later model with the red Craftsman on the front and the thin lock arms.


For the most part, I've got the head frame for DP#40 reassembled today.



This dp is Emerson's first generation after taking over King-Seeley's manufacturing of Craftsman machines. Emerson used this same paint color through their third generation dp's and beyond.

I still had parts from a third gen dp part-out and decided to use the painted feed stop bracket and the painted hub & pinion assembly on this machine. The original chrome hub was somewhat pitted.

 

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I picked up this craftsman drill press. It appears to be running well but there are three loose collars on the quill. It looks like it’s a craftsman 12 1/4” model. Is there a parts manual? And idea on why these parts are loose?

Just google the model number. Pretty much all the common models have the manual posted somewhere. I have no idea what that piece is but I'll check on mine in a few.

Here's what mine looks like...
I think yours has a few modifications.

Edit... I don't even see a spot for a feed stop on your model. I wonder if that was a dunlap model and somebody rebadged it.

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I picked up this craftsman drill press. It appears to be running well but there are three loose collars on the quill. It looks like it’s a craftsman 12 1/4” model. Is there a parts manual? And idea on why these parts are loose?

That is a pre-1950 model Craftsman 12-1/4" drill press. They came with a keyed chuck or a keyless chuck like yours. Is there a date code on the motor badge?

The head frame trim is a re-pop attempt. The trim panel was not standard on this size dp.

I don't recognize that cone-shaped piece either, and also believe that the dp was modified for some reason.

I believe there is an issue with the spindle collar at the top of the quill. The set screw on the collar loosened which allowed the spindle to slide down.

There are manuals on that vintage machines website. If you can't find the Craftsman version, a Dunlap version should be very close.

There is a link to a tear-down procedure for 12-1/4 drill presses in the first post in this thread.
 
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That is a pre-1950 model Craftsman 12-1/4" drill press. They came with a keyed chuck or a keyless chuck like yours. Is there a date code on the motor badge?

The head frame trim is a re-pop attempt. The trim panel was not standard on this size dp.

I don't recognize that cone-shaped piece either, and also believe that the dp was modified for some reason.

I believe there is an issue with the spindle collar at the top of the quill. The set screw on the collar loosened which allowed the spindle to slide down.

There are manuals on the Vintage Machinery website. If you can't find the Craftsman version, a Dunlap version should be very close.

There is a link to a tear-down procedure for 12-1/4 drill presses in the first post in this thread.

Frank delivers again! Thank you so much. I will look at the date code on the motor, I did notice its a Dunlap motor, did the craftsman versions come with craftsman branded motors? If not, I guess there is a potential either the motor was replaced or it was indeed a rebadge.
 
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Frank delivers again! Thank you so much. I will look at the date code on the motor, I did notice its a Dunlap motor, did the craftsman versions come with craftsman branded motors? If not, I guess there is a potential either the motor was replaced or it was indeed a rebadge.

Craftsman drill presses were sold either with or without motors, so it's often difficult to to know whether a motor is original to a machine. If indeed your machine is pre-1950, and I think it is, I'm not convinced that the motor is original.

I'm not exactly sure when Dunlap branded products hit the shelves but the Dunlap 12-1/4" drill press first showed up in the 1950 catalog. So, maybe the motor was bought with the drill press and maybe not.
 
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I picked up this craftsman drill press. It appears to be running well but there are three loose collars on the quill. It looks like it’s a craftsman 12 1/4” model. Is there a parts manual? And idea on why these parts are loose?

It looks to me that your missing the entire quill stop and it appears someone replaced the quill stop collar with a different collar in an attempt to make up the difference in the gap.. my money is on frank’s thought.. the upper part of the quill locking collar has slipped/moved and allowed the entire quil to slide further down...
 
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Despite the similarities in their appearance, the design of the 12¼" drill press is very different than its larger 13½" and 15½" siblings. The feed stop is a collar on the pinion shaft, not on the quill. You can't see it in this photo, but there is a scale pressed into and around the pinion shaft for that pointer.

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Other major differences on the 12¼" dp are the bronze sleeve spindle bearings, spindle pulley, quill lock, and more.
 
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Despite the similarities in their appearance, the design of the 12¼" drill press is very different than its larger 13½" and 15½" siblings. The feed stop is a collar on the pinion shaft, not on the quill. You can't see it in this photo, but there is a scale pressed into the pinion shaft for that pointer.

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Other major differences on the 12¼" dp are the bronze sleeve spindle bearings, spindle pulley, quill lock, and more.


Well frank that just crushes my theory !!!
 
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