Craftsman Drill Press

[FrankLee]

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UPDATE: I'm having issues getting the pinion shaft out and I do not see anything holding it in. Guess I'll have a look at the manual if there is one available. Also confirmed the base is badged Atlas with the appropriate model number.

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It’s been a very long time since I dismantled an Atlas machine.
Maybe you figured out that the pinion and shaft comes out of the head from the spring side? Iirc, there is a collar with set screw on the pinion shaft on the handle side.

Got to remove the hub first. There is a set screw in the center of the hub that secures the cross-pin.

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UPDATE2: Ahhh, it goes out the other way so you have to remove the wheel hub. First time I've seen one go that way.

Yep. On some Atlas-made machines, that set screw may be a knurled thumb screw instead. I don't recall which machines had those. The screw is actually threaded into the end of the pinion shaft and is accessed through the center of the hub. The screw is tightened against the cross-pin.

Once the screw is loose, the pin on the back side of the hub disk should simply slide out. Because your machine was repainted, expect that it may be more difficult to remove the pin.


I don't have much documented on dismantling Atlas machines, but below is a post with photos of parts from dp#35:
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6683139

 

[lafester]

It’s been a very long time since I dismantled an Atlas machine.
Maybe you figured out that the pinion and shaft comes out of the head from the spring side? Iirc, there is a collar with set screw on the pinion shaft on the handle side.

Got to remove the hub first. There is a set screw in the center of the hub that secures the cross-pin.



Yep. On some Atlas-made machines, that set screw may be a knurled thumb screw instead. I don't recall which machines had those. The screw is actually threaded into the end of the pinion shaft and is accessed through the center of the hub. The screw is tightened against the cross-pin.

Once the screw is loose, the pin on the back side of the hub disk should simply slide out. Because your machine was repainted, expect that it may be more difficult to remove the pin.


I don't have much documented on dismantling Atlas machines, but below is a post with photos of parts from dp#35:
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6683139

Yeah everything came out easily from the other side. Only thing left is the upper spindle bearing which does not want to budge. I've looked everywhere for the set screw but no luck yet. Currently on my way back from the wt pickup.

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[bubinga]

Picking up this old Craftsman/Atlas this afternoon.
Missing too much to restore unfortunately, but I want the cross slide and it has lots of good parts. Also getting all that paint off would be a pain. They even painted right over the badge... $200

Tomorrow I am picking up an old bench top Walker Turner that will be restored.
$50 + long drive time.

 

[FrankLee]

Yeah everything came out easily from the other side. Only thing left is the upper spindle bearing which does not want to budge. I've looked everywhere for the set screw but no luck yet. Currently on my way back from the wt pickup.

Is that upper spindle bearing retained by an internal nut in the quill?

 

[lafester]

Re: The Classic Craftsman 100/150 Drill Press

Just got back... I'm talking about the bearing seated in the head. I suppose it is more for the pulley.

There is a YouTube of somebody taking apart the atlas version and there is a set screw right in front but mine doesn't have one.

I'll get a pic in a few.

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[FrankLee]

Re: The Classic Craftsman 100/150 Drill Press

Just got back... I'm talking about the bearing seated in the head. I suppose it is more for the pulley.

There is a YouTube of somebody taking apart the atlas version and there is a set screw right in front but mine doesn't have one.

I'll get a pic in a few.

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You have the pulley off and the bearing plate removed?

Yeah, pix will help.

 

[lafester]

Re: The Classic Craftsman 100/150 Drill Press

You have the pulley off and the bearing plate removed?



Yeah, pix will help.

Yeah everything is off. There is supposed to be a set screw on that lower rim.

Ok, got it out. There is no set set screw on this model.



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[FrankLee]

Re: The Classic Craftsman 100/150 Drill Press

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Ok, got it out. There is no set set screw on this model.

Good news.

Is this a refurb, part-out, or ???

 

[lafester]

Re: The Classic Craftsman 100/150 Drill Press

This one is a part out. I'm going to refurb the wt if nothing is broken.

Here is the monster collar... I looked around and have not seen another yet. It takes a full size handle and column lock wedges.

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[FrankLee]

Re: The Classic Craftsman 100/150 Drill Press

This one is a part out. I'm going to refurb the wt if nothing is broken.

Here is the monster collar... I looked around and have not seen another yet. It takes a full size handle and column lock wedges.

Yeah, that is huge! Never had one, never seen one.

Did you find the quill bumper hidden inside the head frame? If they're in good condition, they sell.

 

[lafester]

Re: The Classic Craftsman 100/150 Drill Press

Yeah, that is huge! Never had one, never seen one.

Did you find the quill bumper hidden inside the head frame? If they're in good condition, they sell.

Hmmm, not yet. It is a nasty grease pit in there.
Thanks for mentioning it though, because I thought I was done.

Yeah I don't see it. Looking at the manual I think it would be obvious if it was there.

I did find a video of a guy making one, and he has the big collar!

 

[Abecke]

Wanted to post the result of my first Craftsman DP restoration. Picked it up from my brother. New motor bearings, belt, paint and mobile base (board is just for safety). I like the look of the charcoal gray.

 

[M635_Guy]

Wanted to post the result of my first Craftsman DP restoration. Picked it up from my brother. New motor bearings, belt, paint and mobile base (board is just for safety). I like the look of the charcoal gray.

That thing is beautiful - you're doing a great thing for your brother!

I wish I had space for one like that. Someday...

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

Abecke,

That looks great! What color paint is that?

 

[FrankLee]

Wanted to post the result of my first Craftsman DP restoration. Picked it up from my brother. New motor bearings, belt, paint and mobile base (board is just for safety). I like the look of the charcoal gray.

Another beauty! Very nice work!

 

[cclfn]

Wanted to post the result of my first Craftsman DP restoration. Picked it up from my brother. New motor bearings, belt, paint and mobile base (board is just for safety). I like the look of the charcoal gray.

Lookin good

 

[lafester]

Re: The Classic Craftsman 100/150 Drill Press

Pulling apart the wt today and it looks like the threaded end of the spindle is machined from a solid piece of steel. The inside of the quill is solid with just the width of the spindle bored out. I bet they didn't make them this way for long.

I searched everywhere for a set screw or pin thinking it has to be attached somehow but it looks like one piece. I am not removing the bearing now as I do not want to damage it. The balls are exposed so I can clean it out and grease.

I wasn't going to take apart the Craftsman but now I have to compare.



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[FrankLee]

Re: The Classic Craftsman 100/150 Drill Press

Pulling apart the wt today and it looks like the threaded end of the spindle is machined from a solid piece of steel. The inside of the quill is solid with just the width of the spindle bored out. I bet they didn't make them this way for long.

I searched everywhere for a set screw or pin thinking it has to be attached somehow but it looks like one piece. I am not removing the bearing now as I do not want to damage it. The balls are exposed so I can clean it out and grease.

I wasn't going to take apart the Craftsman but now I have to compare.

Interesting.

I had only one W-T, dp#36. I bought it because it was originally on a production table with a head lift and it had a Craftsman table. It was a part-out and I didn't dismantle the quill assembly. So yeah, a comparison would be interesting.

IIRC, I transplanted a Duro spindle into a K-S Craftsman machine. I'm curious... how does that W-T spindle compare?

I do recall that my W-T inspired me to make a drive screw tool. I've used it quite a bit since. It came in very handy on the 2nd and 3rd gen Emerson machines for removing the large side panels and also, the Craftsman badges on Atlas machines.

I'm looking forward to more of your posts during the refurb.

 

[Abecke]

Abecke,

That looks great! What color paint is that?

Its Rustoleum Charcoal Gray, protective gloss enamel 7784830

 

[lafester]

Re: The Classic Craftsman 100/150 Drill Press

I have the craftsman apart and it is similar to later models. Pinned screw above the taper and mostly hollow quill.

Otherwise they look very similar and could possibly be swapped with some work.

Pics in a few.

Not sure how to compare with 100/150 but I bet you have measurements somewhere.

Oh that rivet tool looks sweet... Might have to make one.

 

[FrankLee]

I do. Spindle dimensions are in this post:
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=4880579

 

[bubinga]

Wanted to post the result of my first Craftsman DP restoration. Picked it up from my brother. New motor bearings, belt, paint and mobile base (board is just for safety). I like the look of the charcoal gray.

That thing is beautiful - you're doing a great thing for your brother!

I wish I had space for one like that. Someday...

Abecke,

That looks great! What color paint is that?

Another beauty! Very nice work!

Lookin good

BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[lafester]

Re: The Classic Craftsman 100/150 Drill Press

Here are some pics.

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[lafester]

Re: The Classic Craftsman 100/150 Drill Press

Broke the wt chuck trying to get it apart. Wasn't even that much pressure. The craftsman would not budge... I think the last supreme chuck I had would not come apart either.

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[FrankLee]

Re: The Classic Craftsman 100/150 Drill Press

Here are some pics.

The spindles look close. If the W-T splines Fit the Craftsman pulley, it may swap.

Broke the wt chuck trying to get it apart. Wasn't even that much pressure. The craftsman would not budge... I think the last supreme chuck I had would not come apart either.

Were jaws of the chuck extended when attempting to remove the sleeve?

 

[lafester]

Re: The Classic Craftsman 100/150 Drill Press

The spindles look close. If the W-T splines Fit the Craftsman pulley, it may swap.

Were jaws of the chuck extended when attempting to remove the sleeve?

Not enough apparently. The last two I did were at the same position with no issues. I think it just barely snagged.

Only thing left is getting the column out of the base. It moved a little earlier so it should come out soon.

There is a cool patent number and model number stamped into the top of the base.

Here is a pic, and the column is out.




So, overall you can't beat the beefy spindle and quill on the WT. I do like the hub/pinion/spring design on the Craftsman/Atlas a little better. The integrated pulley cover and pulley bearing setup on the WT is much stronger and more rigid. They both originally had power switches on the head, but both did not survive over the years. The craftsman would be much easier to replace with something that looks original though.

I don't think I am going to paint this one, I like to keep them original if possible. Should have it back together fairly soon. Maybe I will try some clear coat and see if it brings out some of the original color. Rust really isn't an issue here which is nice.

 

[whateg01]

I think it's extremely unlikely that they machined the spindle from a single piece to include the collar at the bottom. That's a lot of waste material and a long slender piece of stock that on the Craftsman is cut from a piece of 5/8" stock. They didn't even bother to face the tapered end on mine.

 

[javie]

Re: Craftsman Drill Press - Painting

Okay, I've pinged a few knowledgeable folks about painting cast iron, specifically drill presses, there seems to be no real consensus about the 'right' way to finish one of these old workhorses. Assuming the head, tables, etc...are bead-blasted and ready for paint, do you use a self-etching primer and then final paint color on top of that? Hammerite seems to have gone the way of the dinosaurs and Rustoleum now seems to reign supreme. I've also seen Tractor Supply Implement paint and various automotive-types used. Recommendations on the exact paint?

There is also a huge battle on using rattle cans or brushes, any words of wisdom on that front? I don't have a sprayer, would rather not mess with learning that new skill - wifey paints EVERYTHING, I detest it, but am willing to go through the pain on these old arn babes. I've got 5 of these in the hopper right now (including a Royal 18 from an estate sale - I'll be pinging Outlaw on his restore of one, soon), so looking to do this right - understanding there may be several 'right' ways to do it.

 

[sheltonfilms]

Re: The Classic Craftsman 100/150 Drill Press

Main issue people have against rattle can in general is it is more likely to show orange peel, but this isn’t really an issue with cast iron texture.

I think one of the main benefits to using a spray is the ability for custom colors.

I used primer on mine. I also went with a Satin finish as I believe it just looks better and it is more like the original finish.


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[whateg01]

I have brushed some CI and I've rattlecan'd some. Can't say that I really have a preference, but brushing is less mess to deal with if you are doing it inside. On old machines, I do like to use some sort of primer/sealer as CI absorbs oil.

Dave

 

[lafester]

I just looked in the manual and there is no part number for a threaded sleeve. I'll do a search and see if I can find confirmation, but however unlikely it seems to be true.

I think it's extremely unlikely that they machined the spindle from a single piece to include the collar at the bottom. That's a lot of waste material and a long slender piece of stock that on the Craftsman is cut from a piece of 5/8" stock. They didn't even bother to face the tapered end on mine.

 

[iwantone]

Re: The Classic Craftsman 100/150 Drill Press

Guess it's time to post my finished Late 100.
Got this through a couple participants of this thread. Initially was going to just clean it up but after discovering some rust and bad paint, I decided to do full paint on the castings (Rust-Oleum Champagne Mist). @javie I sprayed straight on top of the cleaned original Power Bronze paint, let's see how long it lasts. Only thing I didn't paint was the band around the motor, maybe I'll wrap this in vinyl down the road...

This has been a fun tear down and refresh project for a tool I've always wanted to have. Thanks to everyone on this thread for your posts, it made the process much easier.

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[FrankLee]

Re: The Classic Craftsman 100/150 Drill Press

Guess it's time to post my finished Late 100.
Got this through a couple participants of this thread. Initially was going to just clean it up but after discovering some rust and bad paint, I decided to do full paint on the castings (Rust-Oleum Champagne Mist). @javie I sprayed straight on top of the cleaned original Power Bronze paint, let's see how long it lasts. Only thing I didn't paint was the band around the motor, maybe I'll wrap this in vinyl down the road...

This has been a fun tear down and refresh project for a tool I've always wanted to have. Thanks to everyone on this thread for your posts, it made the process much easier.

Very nice! I never get tired of seeing the beautiful work you guys are doing!

Thanks for posting!

 

[itsDROCK]

Nice work Iwantone! Clean!

 

[cclfn]

Re: The Classic Craftsman 100/150 Drill Press

Guess it's time to post my finished Late 100.
Got this through a couple participants of this thread. Initially was going to just clean it up but after discovering some rust and bad paint, I decided to do full paint on the castings (Rust-Oleum Champagne Mist). @javie I sprayed straight on top of the cleaned original Power Bronze paint, let's see how long it lasts. Only thing I didn't paint was the band around the motor, maybe I'll wrap this in vinyl down the road...

This has been a fun tear down and refresh project for a tool I've always wanted to have. Thanks to everyone on this thread for your posts, it made the process much easier.

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Thanks for the pictures tht thing is great!!!!
Wes

 

[lafester]

Re: The Classic Craftsman 100/150 Drill Press

Having issues with the motor. 1/4 hp cap start. Fired up the first time and a bunch of dust came out. Let it spin for awhile and shut it down. Now it won't start without help... Tried 3 different capacitors I had laying around and no change. The cap that was in it is not original so this seems to be an ongoing issue.

Guess I'll have to take her apart and get a closer look.

The other motor is 1/3 hp split phase. That one is slathered in ugly yellow paint, but I'm cleaning it up just in case I need it.

Oh, the wt dp is back together, just needs a motor.

 

[GreyEyes]

Re: The Classic Craftsman 100/150 Drill Press

Having issues with the motor. 1/4 hp cap start. Fired up the first time and a bunch of dust came out. Let it spin for awhile and shut it down. Now it won't start without help... Tried 3 different capacitors I had laying around and no change. The cap that was in it is not original so this seems to be an ongoing issue.

Guess I'll have to take her apart and get a closer look.

Some of that dust probably got between the contacts of the centrifugal switch. Try polishing them up with some 600 grit paper and give it a go.

 

[FrankLee]

Re: The Classic Craftsman 100/150 Drill Press

Those feed stop lock screws are often missing. I've had to fabricate a few. What did you do for yours?

 

[iwantone]

Re: The Classic Craftsman 100/150 Drill Press

Those feed stop lock screws are often missing. I've had to fabricate a few. What did you do for yours?

I just had a hex bolt as other lock screw, ideally I wanted the original one with a handle.

Found this on eBay while searching "1/4-28 knurled":
https://www.ebay.com/itm/333256006338

I didn't want to spend $10 on a thumb screw that is fine thread like this one needed to be.

The depth of the screw is just perfect to lock into the threads of the feed stop rod without needing to apply too much torque. Since the tip is pointed, I think it wedges nicely in between threads. The depth is too short to reach the flat of the rod if you're trying to lock to that, which I wouldn't want to lock into the flat and damage that anyways.

So this was pretty much the perfect solution IMO

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[FrankLee]

Re: The Classic Craftsman 100/150 Drill Press

I just had a hex bolt as other lock screw, ideally I wanted the original one with a handle.

Found this on eBay while searching "1/4-28 knurled":
https://www.ebay.com/itm/333256006338

I didn't want to spend $10 on a thumb screw that is fine thread like this one needed to be.

The depth of the screw is just perfect to lock into the threads of the feed stop rod without needing to apply too much torque. Since the tip is pointed, I think it wedges nicely in between threads. The depth is too short to reach the flat of the rod if you're trying to lock to that, which I wouldn't want to lock into the flat and damage that anyways.

So this was pretty much the perfect solution IMO

Yeah, that looks really good.

I've made several, but never the same twice. I've bought machines that had a standard bolt, one that had been re-drilled/tapped for 1/4-20. I like to use brass and got lucky on the last one when I found I had a brass plumbing stem with 1/4-28 threads. I just had to cut it to the correct length.