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Jcc76

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Hey,

Not to start another complaint thread about Chinese Craftsman tools, but I was surprised to find they've been making stuff there for quite some time. Like many of you, I try to avoid buying "Made in China" stuff as much as possible, but sometimes it just seems unavoidable.

For instance, I got a great deal on a NIB Craftsman Professional 6 1/8 inch jointer that was made about 10 years ago. Even though it was Chinese, the guy on Craigslist who sold it to me only wanted $225 for it, and it was the standing model with the motor inside the enclosed cabinet.

Same with the drill presses. They've been making them in China since at least the beginning of this century. And the Ridgid (Emerson) I ended up buying was built in 1998 or 1999, and even the motor was made in China. This is not the Orange model either, it's the old Gray one.

And then this morning, I saw this on Ebay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CRAFTSMAN-6...ltDomain_0&hash=item20d6c5c037#ht_5508wt_1141

I was initially interested, because I was looking for a grinder for my workshop. A few days ago, I bought a Craftsman Professional because it was on sale for $129, and I had a $20-off coupon. It was Chinese, but there's literally no other option if you want a brand new grinder. I haven't unpacked the new grinder yet, so I thought I could return it if I was able to win this auction.

But then, notice in the picture that the Ebay grinder is also "Made in China" and the Sears sticker on the box is dated "02/03/1994"! I had no idea Sears has been importing product from Mainland China for almost 20 years!! Maybe this was the first of the wave. But I've seen Craftsman tool sets that clearly date from the early 1990's or even the late 1980's that were made there. And last weekend I noticed my father's 3-ton Sears/Craftsman jack, which he has had for years, if not a couple decades, is "Made in China"

Point is, this is not a new thing. It's just gotten worse in the last 5 years or so.
 
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firebox40dash5

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Point is, this is not a new thing. It's just gotten worse in the last 5 years or so.

Relatively new on hand tools... you're right, not on power tools.

As long as I can remember Craftsman power tools have been pure ****, too... so what's that tell you about the new hand tools? :lol_hitti
 

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The horse is dead..........You can stop beating it now
 

Midman914

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I've been a long time box turner and back in 95 I remember seeing the Craftsman Professional mini pliers set being made in China. I knew it was all over then. Sears brand combo wrenches were China as well, though they were not Craftsman, but the Professional line. I knew then how the future was going to look. Actually I'm surprised at how long the total take over has taken. I guess it is the old boiling frog scenario.
 

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My Craftsman grinder is pretty old, it looks like 60's or 70's production. Most likely USA made. I swear after I turn it off it literally spins for 2 minutes. Real good bearings. I now look to Taiwan tools as a good trade off on price/quality if US made items are not available.
 

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I have some craftsman corded drills that are made in the usa from the mid 90's(when i aquired most of my craftsman tools as a teenager). must have been just before they outsourced.
 
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Jcc76

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I've been a long time box turner and back in 95 I remember seeing the Craftsman Professional mini pliers set being made in China. I knew it was all over then. Sears brand combo wrenches were China as well, though they were not Craftsman, but the Professional line. I knew then how the future was going to look. Actually I'm surprised at how long the total take over has taken. I guess it is the old boiling frog scenario.


Funny you should say that. I ended up buying that mini pliers set on Ebay and was surprised, to say the least, that it was Chinese, and based on the outside box, the graphics screamed early 1990's. I ended up giving the set to my little brother, who didn't give a rip where it was made.

Shortly after that, however, I found a guy on Amazon selling a set of Craftsman mini-pliers made in France. I think these were the ones manufactured by SK. I bought them, and they've been very good pliers. Does anyone know whether production then went from China to France, or are the SK ones even older (1980's??)

And just so you know I'm not trying to beat a dead horse, my position on Chinese Craftsman has softened a bit. They're ultimately good tools, but they have quirks that need to be fixed a little bit. As someone on here once said, YOU get to be the last worker on that Chinese assembly line. I've got stories.
 
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What really got me checking coo back then was a buddy of mine would always say "It's just another nail in the coffin" when he would see typically American made products switch to off shore manufacturing. It made a real impression on me. NAFTA sure did wonders for us, didn't it?:lol_hitti
 

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You guys have had a bad influence on me - before I didnt care about COO, but now I put a premium on USA made and try to avoid China if at all possible. Of course my experience with deformed Craftsman and snapped Kobalt sockets may have something to do with that.
 

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Chicom goods in general are nothing new, I checked some small appliances we have, some are going on 20 years old and are Chinese made. If I'm not mistaken toys actually were some of the 1st things to be made in China. Virtually every racing diecast I have is made in China, some date back to the early 90's. Still bothers me though.
 

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Were aren't kicking a dead horse, we are poking it with a stick this time. Admins can we have a bash forum for different brands or have a sticky thread/s in free parking. Pretty please with sugar on top.
 

senor fozz

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Funny you should say that. I ended up buying that mini pliers set on Ebay and was surprised, to say the least, that it was Chinese, and based on the outside box, the graphics screamed early 1990's. I ended up giving the set to my little brother, who didn't give a rip where it was made.

Shortly after that, however, I found a guy on Amazon selling a set of Craftsman mini-pliers made in France. I think these were the ones manufactured by SK. I bought them, and they've been very good pliers. Does anyone know whether production then went from China to France, or are the SK ones even older (1980's??)

And just so you know I'm not trying to beat a dead horse, my position on Chinese Craftsman has softened a bit. They're ultimately good tools, but they have quirks that need to be fixed a little bit. As someone on here once said, YOU get to be the last worker on that Chinese assembly line. I've got stories.

The funny thing is that I am more than happy with my China CM Professional mini plier set. I Used the needle nose all day for springs on airsoft guns and wouldn't ever get frustrated with them.
 

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Shortly after that, however, I found a guy on Amazon selling a set of Craftsman mini-pliers made in France. I think these were the ones manufactured by SK. I bought them, and they've been very good pliers. Does anyone know whether production then went from China to France, or are the SK ones even older (1980's??)

They had some 11'' nose pliers made in France too. I got some, a straight and a 45. Quality is excellent.
 

DSM21

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The horse is dead..........You can stop beating it now

No its rediculous it needs even more of a beating :deadhorse

Really losing faith in craftsman, ive had bad experience of chinese hand tools breaking in my face.
 
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