Craftsman OVERDRIVE

[drtyler]

All the DeWalt tools I own say Made in the USA on them. I guess that will never happen again.

So the Charlotte NC facility for Dewalt is also closing?

 

[Etchase]

All the DeWalt tools I own say Made in the USA on them. I guess that will never happen again.

I’ve missed them completely! Which tools are those that are made in USA?

 

[Toold_up]

I’ve missed them completely! Which tools are those that are made in USA?

I bought a corded hammer drill a few years back, and a corded reciprocating saw. I'm not sure what the part numbers are, and I don't have access to them at the moment.

 

[Etchase]

I bought a corded hammer drill a few years back, and a corded reciprocating saw. I'm not sure what the part numbers are, and I don't have access to them at the moment.

Oh right, the corded tools stuck around. I think some Milwaukee did too.

 

[Hohn]

My take is SBD is pulling out all the stops to try and save craftsman brand name / $900M investment. RBRT is proven to be a very good fastener removal system.

Fair point on quality, std pattern not long and incomplete size run sets but for the "average diy person" RBRT tech is going to be a game changer. It definitely a differentiator among the diy/prosumer grade offerings and ”could" be what makes people want to buy craftsman again. That‘s of course is its marketed correctly

RBRT is impressive capability on the extremely rare circumstance you need that vs the next best option.

 

[GeoBruin]

At the risk of bringing this thread back on track, I just picked up some Craftsman "x-tract" bit sockets which is part of the overdrive/rbrt ecosystem as far as I understand it. I needed some Allen bit sockets for my road box and I wanted to try them on a couple rounded out Allen bolts on an old bandsaw I bought. They worked a trick on the rounded out bolts, and they're short enough to fit in the top compartment of my box sitting upright in the socket rails.

 

[dchawk81]

RBRT is impressive capability on the extremely rare circumstance you need that vs the next best option.

I just used mine to put together a jack handle. They were closest to me than anything else.

They do work as regular wrenches if you don't care whether you might cosmetically alter the fastener.

I didn't, to any degree that I could see without getting up close or would matter.

 

[dclark2171]

For my work I am in and out of many houses, office building..you name it. There are a lot of Craftsman cordless and Craftsman toolboxes out there. I never really see hand tools. I have not seen any numbers, I'm guessing Craftsman is a money maker for SBD, Lowes and possibly ACE

 

[exmaxima1]

I had a broken 1/4" ratchet like the one on the left and Ace Hardware just replaced it today with the one on the right. I like that deal.

 

[Andres26tnt]

Looks like Stanley B&D is going RBRT crazy, they now released a DeWalt version of overdrive .

DeWalt’s New TOUGHSERIES Hand Tool Sets - Ohio Power Tool News

When it comes to tackling tough jobs, DeWalt’s new TOUGHSERIES tools stand out for their durability, precision, and innovative design. Whether you’re a professional mechanic...

news.ohiopowertool.com

 

[Hakeem]

Looks like Stanley B&D is going RBRT crazy, they now released a DeWalt version of overdrive .

DeWalt’s New TOUGHSERIES Hand Tool Sets - Ohio Power Tool News

When it comes to tackling tough jobs, DeWalt’s new TOUGHSERIES tools stand out for their durability, precision, and innovative design. Whether you’re a professional mechanic...

news.ohiopowertool.com

Lol. Seems like selling similar wrenches at lower price points would dilute the exclusivity of MAC RBRT but hey what do I know

 

[Callelle]

Lol. Seems like selling similar wrenches at lower price points would dilute the exclusivity of MAC RBRT but hey what do I know

Almost makes me wonder if they'll show up in a Mac flyer. The DeWalt impact sockets already have, originally just making me wonder if they were gonna do away with the Expert line.

 

[Andres26tnt]

Lol. Seems like selling similar wrenches at lower price points would dilute the exclusivity of MAC RBRT but hey what do I know

Its what's happening, they are competing against each other. Though at least here they didn't implement the design fully, only 30%. Makes sense if they are going to offer them on the truck. Interesting enough they "fixed" the overdrive ratchet issues. Its says its 20% smaller, compared to what? I'm not sure if DeWalt ever had the the 180T or 120t ratchets. This one does look better and they deff reduced the size, now only 144T, so a 72T gear with 2 pawls.

 

[dchawk81]

Lol. Seems like selling similar wrenches at lower price points would dilute the exclusivity of MAC RBRT but hey what do I know

Having paid a premium for Mac, this irritates me a little.

 

[Hakeem]

Its what's happening, they are competing against each other. Though at least here they didn't implement the design fully, only 30%. Makes sense if they are going to offer them on the truck. Interesting enough they "fixed" the overdrive ratchet issues. Its says its 20% smaller, compared to what? I'm not sure if DeWalt ever had the the 180T or 120t ratchets. This one does look better and they deff reduced the size, now only 144T, so a 72T gear with 2 pawls.

I can see why they did it for Craftsman, as they spent a grip of cash on the brand and so they want to invest in it, but Dewalt hand tools?? Why is that even a thing? Is Stanley not cool enough anymore?

Seems like a good way to burn up goodwill amongst loyal customers, as seen above.

 

[GeoBruin]

I can see why they did it for Craftsman, as they spent a grip of cash on the brand and so they want to invest in it, but Dewalt hand tools?? Why is that even a thing? Is Stanley not cool enough anymore?

Seems like a good way to burn up goodwill amongst loyal customers, as seen above.

You may be giving the average consumer way more credit than they deserve. How many people realistically know (for example) that Mac, Craftsman, Dewalt and Stanley are all under the SBD umbrella? Most people will encounter Mac tools if they work for a shop, Craftsman tools if they're walking through a Lowes, Dewalt tools walking through a Home Depot, and Stanley tools if they're outside the United States.

The number of people who even know about (let alone are upset by) any overlap is likely very small in the context of total sales.

 

[Andres26tnt]

You may be giving the average consumer way more credit than they deserve. How many people realistically know (for example) that Mac, Craftsman, Dewalt and Stanley are all under the SBD umbrella? Most people will encounter Mac tools if they work for a shop, Craftsman tools if they're walking through a Lowes, Dewalt tools walking through a Home Depot, and Stanley tools if they're outside the United States.

The number of people who even know about (let alone are upset by) any overlap is likely very small in the context of total sales.

A lot actually, and not to mention the large amount of people that make the connection when the tools are sold side by side. We living in the social media era, where we have non mechanic people reviewing tools and such. Not to mention the actual trades people doing the same. so lot of informed buyers now.

 

[Andres26tnt]

I can see why they did it for Craftsman, as they spent a grip of cash on the brand and so they want to invest in it, but Dewalt hand tools?? Why is that even a thing? Is Stanley not cool enough anymore?

Seems like a good way to burn up goodwill amongst loyal customers, as seen above.

Well they did spend 1b practically for the name only, + 15y of percentage sales to sears. what a crazy deal, only in the usa would that ever go down. The problem with DeWalt is that it's main competitor is Milwaukee, can't just compete in power tools alone. Integrating the brands would be cool to see, but that alienates customers when its time to sale a brand off.

 

[JradM]

I can see why they did it for Craftsman, as they spent a grip of cash on the brand and so they want to invest in it, but Dewalt hand tools?? Why is that even a thing? Is Stanley not cool enough anymore?

Seems like a good way to burn up goodwill amongst loyal customers, as seen above.

That take doesn't make sense to me. This is good news for consumers even if it might be puzzling as a business move.

E.g. it makes cheaper wrenches better. Should that make people who bought expensive wrenches mad?

Perhaps the performance difference between cheap and expensive wrenches shrunk a little. Oh well. These days premium tools are often a lot of extra money for a little extra gain. The advent of high-quality Taiwanese tools for example, makes the gap between mid grade and premium tools a lot smaller.

I still regularly buy premium tools. When I don't have the budget? I'm happy the cheaper options are getting better.

 

[Dakotadadv8]

Having paid a premium for Mac, this irritates me a little.

There has to be a difference based on the prices differences.

 

[Dakotadadv8]

You may be giving the average consumer way more credit than they deserve. How many people realistically know (for example) that Mac, Craftsman, Dewalt and Stanley are all under the SBD umbrella? Most people will encounter Mac tools if they work for a shop, Craftsman tools if they're walking through a Lowes, Dewalt tools walking through a Home Depot, and Stanley tools if they're outside the United States.

The number of people who even know about (let alone are upset by) any overlap is likely very small in the context of total sales.

I agree average person walking thru Lowes, Home Depot, Ace would not know. Average person buying in big box store looking at price points don't even care made in China or India. If they start reading info on GJ game over. Of course mechanics or pros already in the know.

 

[dchawk81]

There has to be a difference based on the prices differences.

I'd like to think so. But probably not.

 

[Andres26tnt]

There has to be a difference based on the prices differences.

The difference is the implementation of the design. On these particular versions it's looks like they went light on the serrations. Also looks like the open end on the wrenches don't have that ramp the rbrt are known for.

 

[rooster59]

I’ve got enough wrenches. I need replacement singles when I lose or wreck one. Right now I like menards. Or the $1 bin at the pawn shop. I might bite on the new Craftsman if I was 17 and starting out from scratch. But that ratchet is fugly. And 7/16” is 0.004 bigger than 11 mm.

 

[Andres26tnt]

I’ve got enough wrenches. I need replacement singles when I lose or wreck one. Right now I like menards. Or the $1 bin at the pawn shop. I might bite on the new Craftsman if I was 17 and starting out from scratch. But that ratchet is fugly. And 7/16” is 0.004 bigger than 11 mm.

You buy tools for looks? Lol jk I don't mind the handle, the head is huge on the 180T but, not so sure on this DeWalt version.

 

[rooster59]

Compact head 90 tooth would be more useful in tight spots than a big 180 tooth.

 

[ohhimark]

You may be giving the average consumer way more credit than they deserve. How many people realistically know (for example) that Mac, Craftsman, Dewalt and Stanley are all under the SBD umbrella? Most people will encounter Mac tools if they work for a shop, Craftsman tools if they're walking through a Lowes, Dewalt tools walking through a Home Depot, and Stanley tools if they're outside the United States.

The number of people who even know about (let alone are upset by) any overlap is likely very small in the context of total sales.

I always thought Dewalt hand tools seemed an odd choice, with all the competing internal brands, but your explanation actually makes sense.

 

[Jtels85]

A lot actually, and not to mention the large amount of people that make the connection when the tools are sold side by side. We living in the social media era, where we have non mechanic people reviewing tools and such. Not to mention the actual trades people doing the same. so lot of informed buyers now.

There are many people walking among us who still believe Craftsman tools are USA made, and that ICON tools are made by SnapOn. It took 3 people in our shop to convince the young tech that his Pittsburgh wrenches were not made in Pittsburgh.

You’re giving the general public too much credit.

 

[Andres26tnt]

There are many people walking among us who still believe Craftsman tools are USA made, and that ICON tools are made by SnapOn. It took 3 people in our shop to convince the young tech that his Pittsburgh wrenches were not made in Pittsburgh.

You’re giving the general public too much credit.

Its not about credit, there always be uninformed people. But we do live in an age where info is available easy. Again you have a lot avenues where people buying stuff get info from, some of those being you tube, TikTok, and insta. Those are far more popular then this forum, also far reaching.