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My Lowe’s had a couple. Someone on GJ already has one, but I can’t find the post. I don’t have the room for drawers that are any deeper than 24, but everyone’s space is different.
 

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If I wanted the workstation from this lineup, but it was in a nook of the garage and wouldn't ever be moved, would I just lock the wheels, or remove the wheels and put on blocks, or buy something else that's better for that scenario?
 

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I think they're actually shooting for home gamers. And saying it's for master mechanics as part of the marketing.
No it's not, V series is marketed towards mechanics, it's a higher price point and they also are using HF tactics against snapon. That's the whole point of the line, but like everything stanley touches, they have 0 clue on how to achieve their goals. V series are impossible to find in store, 0 advertising, and lack tool selection.
 
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No it's not, V series is marketed towards mechanics, it's a higher price point and they also are using HF tactics against snapon.
Thirty-five-ish years ago, Sears was pushing "Craftsman" as being equivalent to Snap-On, at a lower price.

I didn't believe it then, and Craftsman hadn't moved off-shore yet. It was "pro quality" as long as we acknowledge that apprentices are pros...at the beginning of their career.

This is nothing new. Same lies, different day.
 

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No it's not, V series is marketed towards mechanics, it's a higher price point and they also are using HF tactics against snapon. That's the whole point of the line, but like everything stanley touches, they have 0 clue on how to achieve their goals. V series are impossible to find in store, 0 advertising, and lack tool selection.

This marketing strategy has worked great for harbor freight. I don't have any hard numbers though I'd be willing to bet 50% or more of icon tools and tool boxes are never used to make a living. It's really easy for anyone to run to Harbor Freight on a Saturday to buy some "as good as snapon tools". Actual snapon tools are a little harder to buy and usually a lot more money. It sound great when you are talking to your buddys to say you've bought a similar to snapon tool.
 

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No it's not, V series is marketed towards mechanics, it's a higher price point and they also are using HF tactics against snapon. That's the whole point of the line, but like everything stanley touches, they have 0 clue on how to achieve their goals. V series are impossible to find in store, 0 advertising, and lack tool selection.

My local Lowes has a whole section now of just Craftsman V Series tools, with signs marketing them as lasting longer than Snap-on in a 'mechanic's lab challenge', whatever that means.

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My local Lowes has a whole section now of just Craftsman V Series tools, with signs marketing them as lasting longer than Snap-on in a 'mechanic's lab challenge', whatever that means.

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It's what's I'm saying. the V series is not marketed toward home gamers, like some claim. Everyone including HF is eating craftsman lunch, they need to position themselves and fill the nich no one if filling. They already have a shallow box, why offer another? Alot of people are asking for a deep box at a cheapish price and USA made. The consumer is practically begging a company to sell them. Where are the tool carts? Imagine a USA made tools cart similar to the US general. I would buy that instantly. I would give them some props for actually fixing some issues and bringing some EU design to the USA market.
 

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It's what's I'm saying. the V series is not marketed toward home gamers, like some claim.

That's exactly what they are doing, they are convincing home gamers they are buying professional grade tools. The majority of full time wrench benders still aren't buying V series or Icon tools. They are making "pro grade" tools available to the consumer at places the consumer usually shops. It's pretty easy to convince a home gamer to buy the "pro grade" tool when it's sitting in front of his face at a big box store for $20 more than the cheap option. While it is possible to buy tool truck tools new online from the tool trucks I'd imagine it's a very small percentage of someone like snapon's sales numbers.
 

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That's exactly what they are doing, they are convincing home gamers they are buying professional grade tools. The majority of full time wrench benders still aren't buying V series or Icon tools. They are making "pro grade" tools available to the consumer at places the consumer usually shops. It's pretty easy to convince a home gamer to buy the "pro grade" tool when it's sitting in front of his face at a big box store for $20 more than the cheap option. While it is possible to buy tool truck tools new online from the tool trucks I'd imagine it's a very small percentage of someone like snapon's sales numbers.
Icon actually achieved its goal. Lost of professional use them. But that's two different things we talking about. The Intent is always to sell lots of tools, the marketing aspect is different. Just like HF, craftsman was trying to do the same. It's why you don't see any v series marketing done in a home "gamer garage". it's always the professional shop and better the snap on blah blah blah. Hence market to professional with the added bonus of selling to home gamers. Regardless the tools aren't actually bad. It's just that the marketing, availability and price have major flaws unlike HF icon.
 

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I believe the craftsman brand generates over a billion in sales, making it pretty big. That’s without any sales to Home Depot, which is a big handicap. HD chose to buy from Chinese owned and operated TTI, and represents about half TTI’s sales. The craftsman brand is bigger than Klein, Channel lock, Wright, Malco, Ideal, and the like. Apex does 1.3 billion, Great Star 1.5 billion, Snap on 4.5 billion, TTI 13.5 billion, and SWK 16 billion, I think. No idea how big Taiwan companies are. That’s of course dollar volume. Snap-on might make less units than craftsman and apex makes more sockets in a week then Snap-on does in a year. Anyone on GJ in the industry know these numbers accurately? In terms of tool storage, Stanley might be the biggest player. The tool industry is tough.
 
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I wonder if they will be any better than the rebranded Waterloo Magnums they sold twenty years ago?

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Some of those Waterloo Magnums are still in use today. They weren't bad for the price and built like a tank. Unfortunately, there's no parts support for them today. :sad:

What I don't understand is the current V series tool line up consists of like 36 or so items. Why offer V series boxes when you don't offer close to a full range of V series tools? :wtf:
SBD needs to unfuck the V series wrench sets that don't offer 15 & 18 mm along with expanding wrench offerings over 19 mm/3/4. The V series could be so much more than it currently is if SBD would just rebadge the entire USAG lineup as Craftsman V Series. They could even expand it further by incorporating heavy duty/specialty items from Facom :beer:
 

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Some of those Waterloo Magnums are still in use today. They weren't bad for the price and built like a tank. Unfortunately, there's no parts support for them today. :sad:

What I don't understand is the current V series tool line up consists of like 36 or so items. Why offer V series boxes when you don't offer close to a full range of V series tools? :wtf:
SBD needs to unfuck the V series wrench sets that don't offer 15 & 18 mm along with expanding wrench offerings over 19 mm/3/4. The V series could be so much more than it currently is if SBD would just rebadge the entire USAG lineup as Craftsman V Series. They could even expand it further by incorporating heavy duty/specialty items from Facom :beer:

My first tool box as a mechanic was the biggest Waterloo Magnum offered in 2000. It was not built like a tank. After three years of rolling it around a John Deere shop, I traded it in on a Snap On. The welds were failing, and I had added additional roller slides to a few drawers, but they were struggling under the weight of the tools I had in them. When I would roll out the full width top drawer, the middle of the drawer would droop substantially.

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V-SERIES™ Comfort Grip Ratchets

A must-have for routine fastening work. 30% Longer Life vs. Snap-On®* In Mechanic's Lab Challenge.

*Tests conducted on accelerated lifecycle machine using CRAFTSMAN® V-Series™ CMMT86324V and Snap-On® F80. SNAP-ON is a registered trademark of SNAP-ON Incorporated, which has not endorsed or approved this claim
 

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I am going to chime in on this topic. The Craftsman V series tool box has only (or approximately 16 1/2 to 17 inches) of inner drawer depth. The US General tool boxes (56 inch and 72 inch length tool boxes) are around the same inner depth (maybe 1/2 an inch deeper). For any serious DIY-er or Professional the minimum inner depth would need to be 20 inches deep in order to properly manage their tools. The O'll saying around the serious DIY-ers and professional I talk to regularly is "Drawer depth is King!" the more, the better.
 

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I am going to chime in on this topic. The Craftsman V series tool box has only (or approximately 16 1/2 to 17 inches) of inner drawer depth. The US General tool boxes (56 inch and 72 inch length tool boxes) are around the same inner depth (maybe 1/2 an inch deeper). For any serious DIY-er or Professional the minimum inner depth would need to be 20 inches deep in order to properly manage their tools. The O'll saying around the serious DIY-ers and professional I talk to regularly is "Drawer depth is King!" the more, the better.
Negative, the US General boxes are about 1/4" shy of 20" drawer space/depth (front to back)
 

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I wonder how the marketing by manufactures of deep boxes effect the desire? Chicken or egg? Is width limited by the shop layout so depth is the only dimension left for cubic feet?
 
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They need to bring back the Griplatch drawers. I HATE the soft-close slides; they are harder to open and close.

They did bring back griplatch. It's the Edge series, but they aren't listed on their website. I found them at MSC and Amazon. I have a 26" cabinet, and had but sold a 41".
 

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Negative, the US General boxes are about 1/4" shy of 20" drawer space/depth (front to back)
I stand corrected, Thank you Sir. Perhaps my longer than normal 1/2" socket Tekton trays might fit width wise in a US General 72" series 3 tool box. The 1/2" Socket Tekton (black tray) are exactly 19 and 3/4". It would be a tight fit. I may need to drive over this weekend to Harbor Freight (with my Tekton socket tray) and see for myself.
 
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Negative, the US General boxes are about 1/4" shy of 20" drawer space/depth (front to back)
I was wondering, do you own either a US General 56" or a US General 72"? If so, what is your general assessment on the US General tool box. Also, what are your pros and cons of the drawers? The reason I am asking is that I am a serious DIY-er and I don't want to spend a King's ransom on a good quality tool box for my garage. I have a chance to buy a Masters series Snap-On KMP1023 tool box (That is in excellent condition and it has all the Bells & Whistles) for $5000. Thats a serious investment for just a home garage.
 

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Needs more depth. I’m happy to see the effort to make something in the USA, but I really don’t have use for anything less than 28” deep anymore.

Just curious, other than mid-higher end Snap On and Cornwell Platinum boxes which are both 30" deep, what out there is 28+" deep?
 

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Look good to me, but the top box giant upper lid section is a waste of space- since this isn't going to realistically be a commercial box. I do like my Griplatch boxes for home use. For a typical "2 car" home garage, there is no room for a 24"+ deep box on the side walls if you actually want to remove a tire or be able to open the car door.
 

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My local Lowes has a whole section now of just Craftsman V Series tools, with signs marketing them as lasting longer than Snap-on in a 'mechanic's lab challenge', whatever that means.

craftsman v series beats snap-on.jpg

That sign comparing Craftsman to Snap-on is the kind of dumb *** chicken chit that Harbor Freight does. They're shooting themselves in the foot for doing that stupid ****. That just makes me want to buy Snap-on even more.
 

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They did bring back griplatch. It's the Edge series, but they aren't listed on their website. I found them at MSC and Amazon. I have a 26" cabinet, and had but sold a 41".
Can you post a link? I couldn't find them on Amazon or MSC. Amazon just had a ton of sponsored Chinesium ones, even though I specified Craftsman in the brand section and typed it in the search bar, and MSC didn't seem to have the GripLatch.

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I found them by typing in "craftsman edge tool chest" in a search engine. Took me to reviews on Amazon. Weird that I couldn't find them the other way.
They don't match my existing ones.
 
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Needs more depth. I’m happy to see the effort to make something in the USA, but I really don’t have use for anything less than 28” deep anymore.
Need more dept, the market they are trying to compete requires it.

I'd actually prefer shallower depth since I don't have the space in my garage for a full-depth one. I see no reason they can't offer multiple depths. I have Craftsman GripLatch boxes that are 18" deep. I could go wider.

I do see how pros would want a deeper one, though.
 

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Can you post a link? I couldn't find them on Amazon or MSC. Amazon just had a ton of sponsored Chinesium ones, even though I specified Craftsman in the brand section and typed it in the search bar, and MSC didn't seem to have the GripLatch.

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I found them by typing in "craftsman edge tool chest" in a search engine. Took me to reviews on Amazon. Weird that I couldn't find them the other way.
They don't match my existing ones.

They are new, I emailed Waterloo and they confirmed it.

Here is a thread I started about it:


You actually posted in that thread...
 
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