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Is there any new news coming out on what SBD plans on making in this new hand tool factory?

Are there any Proto offerings that will be branded as Craftsman? I can see maybe a high tooth count ratchet like SnapOn-Williams have.

Last question. Any ideas on what market segments the Stanley-Craftsman-Proto-Blackhawk brands they will target?
 
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This type of question pops up quite often. I don't think any definitive answers are available just yet.
 

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Blackhawk is probably going to be replaced with Craftsman, so USA made sockets and wrenches with made in USA with global materials ratchets. I wouldn't be too surprised if they have rebranded Proto ratchets at a higher price. On their job descriptions they also list Stanley, DeWalt, and MAC, so we may see Made in USA tools from DeWalt and Stanley too, especially Stanley since they basically offer the same or similar hand tools as Craftsman at Home Depot.
 

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My bet is not on what they will make in this new hand tool factory, but on how they will make things.

Robots.
 

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It would be nice if they could manufacture in such such a way as to drop the “from global materials” tag. I guess that is wishful thinking given they are aiming for a specific pricepoint.


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It would be nice if they could manufacture in such such a way as to drop the “from global materials” tag. I guess that is wishful thinking given they are aiming for a specific pricepoint.


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Global Materials sounds to me like all but assembled.
 
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Well, if it’s something like a drill, the board, switches, processor would most definitely be assembled offshore. The shells cam be molded here but the plastic may come from somewhere else. I think I saw a video of a robot making an electric motor and the copper may be mined elsewhere. Idk where the chick would be made. So something like this Id say made in USA with global materials. Im not sure of what commerce department set as the guidelines.
 

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I’m not sure. I thought it was just going to be the usual stuff like sockets, wrenches, ratchets with the same design. And of course the gunmetal stuff too probably. I definitely won’t mind if they come out with new ratchet options. They are replacing my ratchet with a non raised panel one since they said they don’t make those anymore so I am excited to see what I get and where it is made. That would be great if it was USA already.


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Best guess is that about the same time that MAACO's Eagle Grip Vice Grips will be available. THAT MEANS NEVER!
 

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Best guess is that about the same time that MAACO's Eagle Grip Vice Grips will be available. THAT MEANS NEVER!

I think MAACO must be trying to get the paint shade just right :dunno:

Now Malco on the other hand...might be working on Eagle Grips
 

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My bet is not on what they will make in this new hand tool factory, but on how they will make things.

Robots.

If Sony can build Playstation's in a robotic factory with only 4 employees on the production line then hand tools should be pretty easy to do with robots.
 

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If Sony can build Playstation's in a robotic factory with only 4 employees on the production line then hand tools should be pretty easy to do with robots.

Interesting enough, one of the reasons Tekton is using laser cut for a lot of USA made tools is setup cost too. Why spend tons of setup time to prep for new die sizes when the alternative is to just load the laser cut program and load a plate of tool steel.
 

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I wish Stanley/Craftsman would give us some kind of update. What tools are they making? What do they look like? Potential release date?

For all of the money they’ve invested, you’d think they would be hyping people up right now. This is the slowest, lackluster rollout of a new product I have ever witnessed.
 

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Interesting enough, one of the reasons Tekton is using laser cut for a lot of USA made tools is setup cost too. Why spend tons of setup time to prep for new die sizes when the alternative is to just load the laser cut program and load a plate of tool steel.

Isn't forging supposed to make a better quality tool?

I wish Stanley/Craftsman would give us some kind of update. What tools are they making? What do they look like? Potential release date?

For all of the money they’ve invested, you’d think they would be hyping people up right now. This is the slowest, lackluster rollout of a new product I have ever witnessed.

They've posted some on social media about the new facility. It's mixed in with promotions of their current products. The brand seems to be available everywhere so they seem to be in a good position.

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Isn't forging supposed to make a better quality tool?



They've posted some on social media about the new facility. It's mixed in with promotions of their current products. The brand seems to be available everywhere so they seem to be in a good position.

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I saw those pictures of the facility the day they posted them on Instagram and Facebook. To be quite honest, they didn’t excite me one way or the other.

Others including myself want to know what the tools look like, what kind of sets they’ll be selling and most importantly, a potential release date. This summer, fall, January 2026?

I have a growing list of tools that I would like to purchase, but I’ve been holding out for the Craftsman USA release for well over a year. Like many others voicing their frustration to the brand on social media, we’re growing impatient and asking for a little more information than just a couple pictures taking in a warehouse from 10 yards away. I’m able to to be kept dangling on the line a little longer if they give me something to be excited about.
 
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Isn't forging supposed to make a better quality tool?

In general, yes. It's also faster and cheaper, but you have to be making enough to amortize set up and tooling over lots of output. The first tool I knew Tekton were laser cutting were angled open-wrenches. These are not likely to be huge sellers, compared to a combination wrench, and they're relatively low torque, so laser cutting probably makes a lot of sense.
 

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Isn't forging supposed to make a better quality tool?

In general, yes. It's also faster and cheaper, but you have to be making enough to amortize set up and tooling over lots of output. The first tool I knew Tekton were laser cutting were angled open-wrenches. These are not likely to be huge sellers, compared to a combination wrench, and they're relatively low torque, so laser cutting probably makes a lot of sense.
 

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Gonna be real hard to resurrect the zombie Craftsman line of USA made tools. Most people who bought Craftsman in the past were proud of the "Made in USA" bit. Since then, another generation of tool owners have come to be and the mantra is price-point above all. Hard to sell a "Made in USA" tool that's functionally equivalent to a Taiwan made tool for half the price.

US made tools have been going down or maybe plateauing for awhile. Taiwan and especially Chinese made tools have been on the up. This is not your father's Craftsman.
 

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Craftsmans Social Media and Marketing team- same old losers who ran it into the ground

Give the password to your grand daughter, would be in better hands
 

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Craftsmans Social Media and Marketing team- same old losers who ran it into the ground
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Or, maybe they finally realize it for the most few really care at all about About the craftsman brand.

Back in the days when they did care, there wasn’t 50 other brand tool product vendors offering similar quality at competitive prices



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In general, yes. It's also faster and cheaper, but you have to be making enough to amortize set up and tooling over lots of output. The first tool I knew Tekton were laser cutting were angled open-wrenches. These are not likely to be huge sellers, compared to a combination wrench, and they're relatively low torque, so laser cutting probably makes a lot of sense.

Good comments. I was just surprised someone bumped this old topic just to ask why forge.

Craftsmans Social Media and Marketing team- same old losers who ran it into the ground

Give the password to your grand daughter, would be in better hands

Stanley Craftsman is not even the same company as Sears Craftsman so it is not the "same old losers who ran it into the ground".

The new factory hasn't even produced a product yet and some forum members are running it into the ground. It's a shame.
 

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Or, maybe they finally realize it for the most few really care at all about About the craftsman brand.

Back in the days when they did care, there wasn’t 50 other brand tool product vendors offering similar quality at competitive prices



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The Craftsman brand still Carries enormous weight with a LOT of people. SBD paid $100 million per letter.

I'm no huge fan of cman or SBD but I dont think they became the biggest tool conglomerate in the history of the world by being the dumbest kid on the block.

I buy and sell on the side, you dont have to look hard to find people of all ages (men, women and even teenagers) who love that brand as if it was still 1950.
Just my experience with people.
 

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If you compare the Craftsman social media team and the content they share along side that of Tekton, GearWrench, Harbor Freight, SnapOn, Sunex, etc... it’s almost as if the people running Craftsman’s accounts have no idea what tools even are.

I have very little marketing experience and I could do a better job pushing Craftsman products online.

And yes... Craftsman’s social media accounts seem like they’re operated by the same people today as they were when Sears owned the brand. Nothing has really changed. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if those folks just transitioned over to the new company.
 

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I'm not big into social media but it looks like they are winning to me. Although I have very little Craftsman, I am looking forward to seeing what comes out of the new factory.

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Stanley Craftsman is not even the same company as Sears Craftsman so it is not the "same old losers who ran it into the ground".

The new factory hasn't even produced a product yet and some forum members are running it into the ground. It's a shame.

Never trashed the product just the garbage marketing.

And btw the Reddit user is doing the marketing not CM
 

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Isn't that guy just telling the thieves to come back for a second helping, except that they'll be new tools this time?
 

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The thing people have to remember is that Craftsman was the Sears store brand. They were not a tool manufacturer. Other companies made tools for them and put the Craftsman logo on them. Companies like Western Forge, Pratt-Read, Wilde, Easco, etc were making the tools, and in some cases were simply re-branding existing models.

What made Craftsman so popular was availability, cost, quality, and the warranty. Sure, you could find better tools, but it wasn't as easy. There wasn't always an internet with review videos, etc. to help compare and contrast. Generally speaking though, Craftsman tools would do the job. They may not do the job as well as Snap-On, but Snap-On was never meant for the DIY crowd.

Sears made a huge mistake by sourcing production from Chinese suppliers. The quality was visibly different, and they lost their reputation. They tried to make tools to a certain price point instead of sticking with higher quality. People quickly realized that low quality tools could be bought from places like Harbor Freight (back before HF had Taiwan-made options) for a lot less.

I'm not sure how SBD will restore glory to the Craftsman name, but I hope they succeed, especially if they are going to be making more USA-made products. It's going to be a hard fight, now that HF covers the low (and even medium end) while other companies cover the medium to high end of the tool spectrum. For me, Tekton is kind of what Craftsman used to be.

Another issue is that SBD has a lot of brands, with a lot of overlap. I get that some brands may be store-exclusives, but I often wonder if the brands need to focus on particular tool types or tiers. Do we really need Stanley, Craftsman, Irwin, and Lenox branded versions of the same tool?
 

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What made Craftsman so popular was availability, cost, quality, and the warranty. Sure, you could find better tools, but it wasn't as easy. There wasn't always an internet with review videos, etc. to help compare and contrast. Generally speaking though, Craftsman tools would do the job. They may not do the job as well as Snap-On, but Snap-On was never meant for the DIY crowd.

Spot on.

The DIY'r bought Craftsman because it was a known quality and was backed by a solid warranty.

The only other options in my small town in the late 90's/early 2000's were hardware store brands that were imports. Harbor Freight was selling absolute bottom of the barrel stuff at the time and the closest store was an hour away.

I hope this new USA made venture is a success, but I don't really see how it can be with all of the competition today.
 

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SBD might be smart to partner with an auto parts store for their sockets, wrenches, etc. That might be the best way to be seen, which is half the battle.
 

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SBD might be smart to partner with an auto parts store for their sockets, wrenches, etc. That might be the best way to be seen, which is half the battle.

There were signs outside the napa store I go to the other week saying "Craftsman available here". Of course, since they don't actually have any tools, they weren't.
 

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We're all just a bunch of armchair quarterbacks on this. We also tend to exist in our own vacuum on here.

As for the future of Craftsman...does it matter that they never made their own tools until SBD? Not to 99.8% of the future buyers of Craftsman tools.

Did Sears devalue the brand by going to China? Impossible to know. They still sold it for $900 million.

Did they screw themselves by going to China? No. They were going down anyway and Craftsman tool sales didn't bring in the amount of cash that some people think. And they Still sold it for $900 million. Sears was screwed either way.
 

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Lots of good insights here.

COVID probably played a big role in the roll-out, and I'm betting automation will play a big part considering how everybody and their brother is going robotic.
If they do laser cutting or true forging, depends on how it's implemented. Globally sourced materials wouldn't bother me much, considering how many other tools are foreign made and work fine. Price? I expect it to be a bit higher than I'm used to. Maybe double and then some. Doable. But if the quality is there I'll bite on sockets and wrenches because they're consumables. Screwdrivers and specialty tools they should leave to the focused folks.

Big area that needs to be addressed is the web presence. Get some high paid experts in there to design, run, and man the phones with an easy-to-use website. Take it over like the original catalog did. They'd make a big impact right there.
 
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