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Andres26tnt

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Porter Cable is now the TSC house brand, so DBD is already sort of doing what you suggest.

Why would they bring back the PC name for shop tools. Only your grandfather remembers stationary woodworking tools sold under the PC brand. That ship sailed ten years ago when PC went out of business as an independent brand.

If we ever went to war with China, power tools would be the last thing anyone would be concerned about.
People act like the USA only has one avenue for imports 😂. Ignoring the huge manufacturing revolution happening in Asia(India,vietnam,Thailand), and our brothers to the south of us, Mexico. In a war scenario the USA will invest in on its allies and itself anyway. It's not like we have a shortage of tools. Decoupling from china/USA for both is hard anyway. They have just as much invested in the market as we do them.
 
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Anyway, I purchased the soft grip flex head ratchet set with all three drive sizes. The ratchets are great. Have used them many times already. They compare favorably to the die hard soft grip ratchets. Both have the selection direction oriented correctly vs the hf ratchets.
 

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Anyway, I purchased the soft grip flex head ratchet set with all three drive sizes. The ratchets are great. Have used them many times already. They compare favorably to the die hard soft grip ratchets. Both have the selection direction oriented correctly vs the hf ratchets.
Pittsburgh professional? There is no "correct orientation". I can see why a reversed lever is a annoyance. I check all the time for orientation with all my ratchets. Probably why it's never bother me.

On the V ratchet, I like the 3/8 soft grip regular the best. It fits my hand perfectly, it also cleared up once lubed via the switch. Not perfect, but at 20$ not going to complain. I bought the long flex all metal Handle as my beater ratchet. Perfect for that as it's super strong.
 

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Pittsburgh professional? There is no "correct orientation". I can see why a reversed lever is a annoyance. I check all the time for orientation with all my ratchets. Probably why it's never bother me.

On the V ratchet, I like the 3/8 soft grip regular the best. It fits my hand perfectly, it also cleared up once lubed via the switch. Not perfect, but at 20$ not going to complain. I bought the long flex all metal Handle as my beater ratchet. Perfect for that as it's super strong.
Yeah I suppose there is no correct orientation if a person wants to be pedantic. I just find that on the Pittsburgh pro it's opposite of the direction and swing. And I find oftentimes you hit it and send the ratchet into the wrong direction which is super annoying. Whereas the v series and the die hard the selector switch is towards the direction of motion which means you don't flip it off. Other than that I said before the Pittsburgh pros pretty darn good ratchet. I have several of them I just find I get annoyed with the direction lever.
 

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Yeah I suppose there is no correct orientation if a person wants to be pedantic. I just find that on the Pittsburgh pro it's opposite of the direction and swing. And I find oftentimes you hit it and send the ratchet into the wrong direction which is super annoying. Whereas the v series and the die hard the selector switch is towards the direction of motion which means you don't flip it off. Other than that I said before the Pittsburgh pros pretty darn good ratchet. I have several of them I just find I get annoyed with the direction lever.
I think that's more of an issue of the switch being light or extending slightly past the head. I have the same issue with other ratchets with the switch on the standard orientation.

Same deal, I hit the switch somehow and the rachet just gets stuck or switches direction. I'm currently testing a 108T ratchet, it happens a lot. It's so annoying.
 

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Porter Cable is now the TSC house brand, so DBD is already sort of doing what you suggest.

Why would they bring back the PC name for shop tools. Only your grandfather remembers stationary woodworking tools sold under the PC brand. That ship sailed ten years ago when PC went out of business as an independent brand.

If we ever went to war with China, power tools would be the last thing anyone would be concerned about.
We need to re-shore manufacturing across all industries. Tools are only a small part of that. Plus a war with China would likely affect Taiwan and other nations as well, so we can't count on them. Lastly, such a war would be a total war, were production lines would be altered for making vehicle parts, ammunition, weapons, etc. Would we even be able to do that now?
 

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We need to re-shore manufacturing across all industries. Tools are only a small part of that. Plus a war with China would likely affect Taiwan and other nations as well, so we can't count on them. Lastly, such a war would be a total war, were production lines would be altered for making vehicle parts, ammunition, weapons, etc. Would we even be able to do that now?

Ammo and weapons? Oh yeah, for sure. All that other stuff, maybe.
 

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What's with this doomsday mentality on this thread 😂. War with china means massive re investment in our allies/home. That also means we ain't going at it alone. In a war scenario everything goes out the window.
 

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What's with this doomsday mentality on this thread 😂. War with china means massive re investment in our allies/home. That also means we ain't going at it alone. In a war scenario everything goes out the window.


If we (and I pray to God that we don't) ever go to war again, would you enlist in the military?
 
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If we (and I pray to God that we don't) ever go to war again, would you enlist in the military?
Currently serving, 13y in the air force so far, going for the full 20. Been to many deployments Afghanistan/Africa. We need to stop this doomsday fear mongering. Yes I will 100% serve my country if we go to war with china. We have many advantages in the USA, to included our allies and 2 giant oceans. Ain't going to talk about the nuclear options because no one wins at that point.
 

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Fair point, and there's plenty of imports I really like, knipex, pb swiss, Ko-ken etc who are raising the bar instead of lowering it. not to get political but I start getting concerned when I see reports of Taiwanese reunification with China lately. That situation seems really unstable. They very well may go to war at some point and then we may be up a creek. I think for the sake of national interests we need to make certain things here. We couldn't restart US manufacturing for things like TP without the tools to do it. For that reason I'm glad that the government is essentially propping up part of the US tool industry. That's why it's so sad to hear that the investment in US plants didn't work out. That's also why I support US mfrs whenever I can. I support American jobs creation, but if they could have made a factory work here that was 100% automated with no job creation I would have supported that too just to have it on our soil.

There are some things that are difficult to get here in the US that I wish they'd import and bring over. The V series I'm interested would be the imported stuff from Europe or Japan that are rebrands of the good stuff as opposed to the imports of the not so good stuff. Just have to sort through it and find out what's junk and what's gold.
TP?
 

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It's not unfair trade; it's simply a comparison of the cost of living across the globe. People in Vietnam and India are willing to work at a forge or foundry for a few dollars an hour; in China and Mexico manufacturing labor is something like $6/hr and Taiwan $12/hr- last I checked. Are you willing to work in a forge or foundry for even $12/hr? I'm guessing no, and guessing none of us are, but some like to blame everything but reality. China has vastly improved their living standards over the last 20 years; and now because of the resulting increased labor costs they're losing jobs to Vietnam and India. We used to make stuff in the US north, then we moved it to Alabama to be made at lower costs (unfair trade?), then Mexico, China, India....

Should the 99.99...% of Americans that don't work in a USA socket factory be forced to pay 3X+ as much for a socket, or widget, to subsidize those few USA jobs instead of buying one from Taiwan or elsewhere? Should the 90% that don't work a manufacturing job be forced to pay.... You want to talk about inflation.

It's been said a thousand times here, "99% of Americans just want cheap ****". They don't care about COO, only price; this is why something like 70% of the goods on Amazon are from China. We got here not because of "unfair trade", it's primarily because the vast majority of Americans just want cheap ****; we did this to ourselves.

I'm in a $7.25 minimum wage state and every local fast-food restaurant has had signs out front for years trying to hire at $13+ an hour. The local auto parts manufacturing plant has never had to advertise for help until the last 5 years and now they're begging for help at $18/hr; they've hit the applicant bottom of the barrel so hard that they don't even require a HS diploma anymore. Problem is that they've overexpanded and exceeded the number of local workers that can pass a drug test and want to start working on second or third shift. I guess some people would rather make a few $ less and work first shift stocking shelves at Target.

People here love to glorify the "good old days" where you could work a manufacturing job and raise a family, buy a house.... The reality is a lot of those jobs were **** jobs and the only thing that made them desirable, or even tolerable, was because they had union wages and benefits; that pretty much went away decades ago. Even the "good" jobs in manufacturing, where you're not in hell, you can be doing the same exact task every twenty seconds, or 1400+ times in 8 hours; I'd want to shoot myself in the head after the first day, or maybe hour :ROFLMAO:
I worked in manufacturing for Gates rubber company. They did switch us out on tasks to help quell the tedium but it was still soul crushing.

One of my jobs was to roll out hose and cut it to length. Over and over and over. Just cutting smaller long lengths from big rolls of it.

My other job was operating a crimper machine to put ends on the hose. Probably the same hoses I spent the first half my shift cutting. Sometimes you can start screwing up from doing the same task over and over at a breakneck pace. Like putting the hose end in without the sleeve and crimping the rubber directly, and messing up the barb inside.

I was only a temp, thankfully, so I didn't have to last long. I could not imagine raising a family and buying a house doing that day in and day out.
 

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I think he mean toilet paper. But if someone supports American jobs, why not support Stanley B&D? They have a few factories here and employ many Americans.
I thought so too but if that's the case he was implying that it's not made in USA. Proctor and Gamble makes a lot of TP here in the USA.
 

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Currently serving, 13y in the air force so far, going for the full 20. Been to many deployments Afghanistan/Africa. We need to stop this doomsday fear mongering. Yes I will 100% serve my country if we go to war with china. We have many advantages in the USA, to included our allies and 2 giant oceans. Ain't going to talk about the nuclear options because no one wins at that point.

Aim High!

I was USAF as well.
 
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