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Finally got tired of bits of this machine taking up space on the bench, so decided to make a start on fettling and reassembling it. There's only very minor superficial spots of rust on it, so no derusting or repainting is being done to it. Just a clean to degrease it, coat the cast with Linseed oil and sort any problems it may need rectifying during the rebuild. These are the bits which have been sat on the bench. The tailstock still needs stripping and cleaning then coating, but the other bits are coated with oil and will be wiped down tomorrow to remove the excess once the oil has cured somewhat.

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This is what she'll look like, (though a bit tidier hopefully), when she's reassembled.

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It's a bit of a mongrel this machine. The cross slide and headstock spindle are from a Myford. It also has a backgear modification. The machine itself is a Drummond Roundbed. 4" centre height, which equates to 8" using your full swing method across there. This one was manufactured in 1913, if I recall correctly.
 
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Wow, real nice old lathe, bit of a lathe nut here so really enjoy seeing this.
 
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Someone has a hand drill fetish (also... :ninja: )

Yup. :D


bit of a lathe nut here so really enjoy seeing this.

Whack a few photo's of yours up. Can never have too many machinery photo's. :)

Lovely things the older lathes, aren't they. My personal soft spot is for the Drummond's. I have deviated a couple of times, but the bulk of my collection is Drummond, so there should be plenty more lathe **** over the coming months. :D I do have a 5", (10"), currently in the process of full restoration too. That one is on hold for the moment though, until I get the large electrolysis vat up and running again for the legs/stand, and then I just need to make up another container for derusting the bed.
 
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Fretters, A good quick large E tank can be a wood frame on the ground, lined with sheet plastic (Think waterbed frame), and a rebar grid. Seen pics of guy that did an entire truck frame that way, and used a Lincoln AC/DC welder as a power source. (Think LARGE kids wading pool!)
 

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Fretters: as you know i'm a fan of all your old cast iron items you seem to own and post pictures of and you've added another one. looking forward to the finished up and running lathe and all the great pictures during the process.

Sas: I second that posting of your lathe pictures especially since our OP asked first. can't get too many to look at can we?

Outlaw: another great tip on the huge E tank option. by the way if you do use a Lincoln Welder as your power source what setting would you use? I think Fretters has a pretty big box that he has been using for an E tank already set up, but on these big items maybe having one bigger that he doesn't have to do half at a time is a great option. i also saw a post where an E tank was a huge hole with tarp filling it or could use pond liner i suppose and then rocks, wood beams or big steel holding the edges in place for your big E tank.

Good luck Fretters and i hope you still have all the pieces
 
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Good luck Fretters and i hope you still have all the pieces

So do I. :D I should have everything knocking about for it. I tend to be quite **** on that front. Bagged or boxed for small bits and labelled for parts whose specific location could be forgotten over time. Makes up for a shonky memory. :D That's also why I tend to take so many photo's. They're a lot more reliable come reassembly than memory is. :D


Fretters, A good quick large E tank can be a wood frame on the ground, lined with sheet plastic (Think waterbed frame), and a rebar grid. Seen pics of guy that did an entire truck frame that way, and used a Lincoln AC/DC welder as a power source. (Think LARGE kids wading pool!)

That's the type of method I'll be using. The other vat is made from plywood and lined with DPM, so I'll probably make a long, slim and short version of that, just for the lathe beds. The other vat covers pretty much everything, but the bed on that 5" is just too long for the vat. Typical luck. :D These are a few photo's of that machine and some of the bits.

This is a photo, (taken by the seller), of the machine complete.

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Had this one knocking about for about three years before I finally got off my **** and made a start on it. It's a dual height bed type, (the tailstock runs on a dedicated raised way), dated 1917.

This gives an indication of how rusty this one is/was.

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This is the top slide after restoration.

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Outlaw: another great tip on the huge E tank option. by the way if you do use a Lincoln Welder as your power source what setting would you use? I think Fretters has a pretty big box that he has been using for an E tank already set up, but on these big items maybe having one bigger that he doesn't have to do half at a time is a great option. i also saw a post where an E tank was a huge hole with tarp filling it or could use pond liner i suppose and then rocks, wood beams or big steel holding the edges in place for your big E tank.

Good luck Fretters and i hope you still have all the pieces

For the settings' definitely the DC setting and I'd start on the bottom, and see what happens. The only reason to need such a huge PS is the shear size and surface area of the truck frame.
 
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thanks Outlaw. i'm guessing you meant "tank' frame and not trunk frame?

Fretters: another picture of wonderful old piece of steel machinery with all the round wheels and heavy casting for a base. do you have room to use these when you are done bringing them back to better than new condition?

maybe 500 pounds or any idea??
 
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They'll all be staying in the shed where they're being worked upon. I'm becoming quite adept at juggling space these days. :D The 5" is one that I'm wanting up and running as soon as can be managed feasibly. Becoming a bit limited with the 3-1/2" Warwick for some work. That's why I had to leave the Rapidor unfinished for the time being. Need to turn some new shafts up for that, but the Warwick just isn't upto that, in reality. I could scrape through, but it'd be a less than perfect job.

Did get hold of an Ehrlich, supposedly as an interim measure to put me on until I got the 5" sorted, but Sod's law, that turned out to be one of those needs quite a bit of work machines rather than just being a quick fettle affair and get it up and running, as I hoped it would be, so even that one is sat there only partially assembled at the moment. On the plus side though, for the price I got that Ehrlich for, it was a bit of a steal, especially considering that it included an almost new 1.5HP motor.

I seem to have a knack for acquiring machines which need shedloads of work. :D
 

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thanks Outlaw. i'm guessing you meant "tank' frame and not trunk frame?

Fretters: another picture of wonderful old piece of steel machinery with all the round wheels and heavy casting for a base. do you have room to use these when you are done bringing them back to better than new condition?

maybe 500 pounds or any idea??

No, I said TRUCK frame, not trunk, you know like a 4X4 truck? :evil:

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Making steady progress with this one. Main bits are fettled, coated with oil and back together. Sorted the dog clutch sleeve so that it was facing the proper way whilst I was at it. A previous owner had fitted it back to front, so it kept disengaging.

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This photo gives a good view of the modified saddle. It's been adapted in the past so that it'll take a Myford cross slide. The reason it's been adapted is due to one of the clamping arms for the original slide having broken off.

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Pretty much all back together now. Doesn't look much different to how she did originally, but she's a lot cleaner now and all threads have been cleaned up, minor alterations and adjustments made etc.

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What a cool lathe! The green one is fantastic as well. Glad to see they are being taken care of.
 
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Cheers. :) Hopefully it shouldn't be too long before I have this Roundbed up and running. Can't decide at the moment whether to go with treadle drive else make it use that new fangled electrickery stuff. :D
 

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Cheers. :) Hopefully it shouldn't be too long before I have this Roundbed up and running. Can't decide at the moment whether to go with treadle drive else make it use that new fangled electrickery stuff. :D

I'd probably go all steampunk on it with a 3ph motor and VFD, cool old lathe and great job cleaning her up!
 
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Cheers. :) I've just recently got rid of pretty much all of the 3 phase motors I had knocking about. :D Been keeping an eye out for VFD for a while but not dropped on owt as yet, so that's why I got rid of the motors. The only 3 phase motor I still have here, that I can recall, is a beast of a thing. It came off that Rapidor hacksaw.
 

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Fetters: another great piece of machinery in your shop. since it isn't very big how about a foot pedal with a nice old leather or vinyl belt so your lower half can get as much exercise as your hands seem to get making all these things shine and work?

another idea is making a multy station where one motor runs more than one tool just buy moving the belts since you also have the grinders and maybe a few others that work this way?

good luck and thanks again for sharing.

No, I said TRUCK frame, not trunk, you know like a 4X4 truck? :evil:

:lol_hitti

well that joke's on me. I'm not sure my readers were cockeyed or my dyslexia and ADHD kicked in, but didn't want to delete. i'm just going to dig a hole for those huge E tanks and maybe use some pond liner.
 
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since it isn't very big how about a foot pedal with a nice old leather or vinyl belt so your lower half can get as much exercise as your hands seem to get making all these things shine and work?

You mean something like this? :D

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Sad I know, but I do actually have enough treadle drives to cover all of the Roundbeds. :D That treadle and the legs in the photo are actually from a B or M type Drummond, as far as I can tell. It doesn't seem to be an original Roundbed setup. Those above came with this machine.

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I've got a standalone treadle unit too, which came with the machine I've just fettled.
 
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Fetters: thanks for sharing again. i bet these old gems actually have a word or two to say every now and then don't they?

the only fairly old machine I have is this 1920's "leather" belt driven bench drill press which came as is like this. I smile every time i walk by it even though it doesn't get used much. it runs great and can drill a straight hole if i need it to and planning on using it a bit more once i find a nice little vise to set on it.

maybe one day i'll really shine it up because I've seen a few of these that have been and they look awesome.

got any other old steel sitting on the "To Do" shelf that you would like to share since it is your thread?

i knew you would have a foot pedal option available somewhere around your shop. NICE:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
 

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got any other old steel sitting on the "To Do" shelf that you would like to share since it is your thread?

There are a few more bits knocking about to be worked upon. :D You must be a glutton for punishment regarding photo's of antique stuff. :D I've worked **** ways round compared to how some would, with my collection, as in I've spent several years collecting pretty much what I wanted as and when the right thing came up, (patience is a definitely a virtue when collecting), then started working on restoring it once I classed my collection at a point where I was content with it, (I can look around my workshop now and know that I can quite happily manage with what I have. Anything I get from now on is merely a bonus), rather than getting pieces and getting them done as they came in.

This was one of the first things to be restored, due to the fact that it'll probably be needed for most of the machines at some point. :D Small but useful.

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This is the state it was in when I got it. Rusted solid, barring the handles.

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This is the other Roundbed.

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That one is the only one which is in completely original condition. It has a compound slide on it in the photo's which isn't OEM, but I have the original cross slide for it too. That one apparently belonged to a LNER engineer/designer, at some time in the past.

This is the first lathe I bought, and likely going to be the last to be restored.

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It's a 1907/1908 pre-B Drummond.

There are more bits. I'll post photo's of those later. (Should probably haved named this thread "Matt's old tat thread" :D).


i knew you would have a foot pedal option available somewhere around your shop. NICE:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

:D Must admit, I do generally try to get ones which have treadles if possible, (preferably stands too), just in case. Even then though, the amount of adaptation, part appropriation and swapping etc. which has been introduced in the past can still lead to a setup which is somewhat less than original. :D That's the beauty of them though, IMHO. Original is nice, but adaptation tells a story. I have a set of things I tend to look for, (the reverse gears bracket is one, where the Roundbeds are concerned), which usually rock my boat far more than condition. Even the shonkiest looking of machines can be restored. Getting hold of some of those erroneous parts can be hell though.

I like to purchase machines which have had either no restoration work done on them else/and just general tidy up work and adaptation during their life, but no more. I blatantly avoid anything which has been "lovingly restored", (seeing that sentence is usually enough to make one weep when you see the 'quality' of the work done), or anything which has been made to look like it may have just stepped out of the factory. I personally like things to look their age, and I prefer not having to chase down loads of user introduced problems by someone who thinks that emery paper, a hammer and a session with a paint brush and paint make things more desirable.

The Roundbed which started this thread is a prime example, (Frankenstein, as I've now named it, due to the amount of donor parts and bolted on bits :D). That one is in no way original, has had a hard life and has been changed no end. It's all just things which have been changed during it's life to make it work and more functional though. There's no false modesty or anything else with it. That is a machine which has been used and repaired with a fair amount of time and dedication. That in itself is half it's appeal.
 
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the only fairly old machine I have is this 1920's "leather" belt driven bench drill press which came as is like this. I smile every time i walk by it even though it doesn't get used much. it runs great and can drill a straight hole if i need it to and planning on using it a bit more once i find a nice little vise to set on it.

maybe one day i'll really shine it up because I've seen a few of these that have been and they look awesome.

That's a lovely drill you have there. :) Would love to have one of the bench models, of that type of design. Never seems to be any turn up within reasonable distance or for reasonable cost though.

Personally, I'd leave that pretty much as it, if it were I. Barring a quick scrub on that column to remove that bit of surface rust, that looks in way too good a condition to do anything to.
 
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