Danaher rebuild kit help

[puttsy]

Hey all,

I've got a NAPA 3/8" ratchet and am wondering what rebuild kits work in it. It's currently a 60 tooth ratchet but rumor has it, there are a slew of rebuild kits that work in these and I'm wondering what the cheapest, highest tooth count kit is. The Matco kit is a bit spendy and I don't think I *need* 88 teeth...nor to spend that much on a 'cheap' ratchet. So, are there any Gearwrench or Craftsman 84 tooth kits that drop right into this guy? The 60T Gearwrench kits are pretty cheap and supposedly some high tooth count GW ratchets were on the way but are they the same internals and are there kits for um'?

Also, fun fact, the guts on this ratchet seem pretty much the same as the Craftsman Universal Black 3/8" ratchet but the NAPA doesn't have quick release (what a shame )

(I'll try and get a better--less blurry pic if necessary. Not sure why this one's soo bad)

 

[Obie]

Armstrong introduced their own 88 tooth kits recently. The part numbers are the same as the old 60 tooth kits, so its a crapshoot as to which you're going to get. The part number for the 3/8" is 11-982. Without having the measurements on that, I can't tell you for sure if it would be a match, but these kits can supposedly replace all the Danaher 60 tooth guts.

This rebuild kit can be had from Amazon for $18.89

 

[DTB]

That is pretty much a rebadged GearWrench ratchet.If it is already 60 tooth,the next leap is up to 88.Which Matco offers,and maybe Armstrong since they now have 88 teeth.Those kits should work,however I seem to remember reading that the Craftsman 84 tooth kit wouldn't work,but I'm not positive on that.So the 88 tooth is about your only option.Does that ratchet have a part number?I was kind of interested in picking a couple of those up,but haven't seen them at my Napa.

 

[plinker]

Armstrong is going to have an 80ish tooth ratchet kit sometime I'm sure, given they are going to 84-88 tooth in thier ratchets, but the Matco is likely more common to find/get.

I have the same ratchet, it's pretty nice as is, IMO

Also, fun fact, the guts on this ratchet seem pretty much the same as the Craftsman Universal Black 3/8" ratchet but the NAPA doesn't have quick release (what a shame )

Interesting. Can you get pic's by chance?

 

[puttsy]

Does that ratchet have a part number?I was kind of interested in picking a couple of those up,but haven't seen them at my Napa.

Part number is 91211 J-. I got this one on Cripe for ~$12 shipped so it's probably the cheapest 60-tooth ratchet to be had new OR used. I would get more but don't really need them...I only got this one so I could rebuild a high-tooth count ratchet for the few times I need one.

Interesting. Can you get pic's by chance?

I'll try and do a side-by-side and then a Craftsman Universal specific thread next weekend. Don't have my Snap-ring pliers in the dorms and the HF precision needle nose are just too big of a pain to be poping snap-rings in and out with.

Hopefully an Armstrong 88-tooth kit is cheaper than the Matco (I would imagine it would be) but now I need to weigh whether it's worth the extra 28 teeth on a quarter. Anyone know the arc/swing degree on the 60 vs. 88? I've heard anywhere from 60-teeth being 6 degrees to the 88's only needing 4-6 degrees. Not very convincing...

 

[DTB]

Part number is 91211 J-. I got this one on Cripe for ~$12 shipped so it's probably the cheapest 60-tooth ratchet to be had new OR used. I would get more but don't really need them...I only got this one so I could rebuild a high-tooth count ratchet for the few times I need one.


I'll try and do a side-by-side and then a Craftsman Universal specific thread next weekend. Don't have my Snap-ring pliers in the dorms and the HF precision needle nose are just too big of a pain to be poping snap-rings in and out with.

Hopefully an Armstrong 88-tooth kit is cheaper than the Matco (I would imagine it would be) but now I need to weigh whether it's worth the extra 28 teeth on a quarter. Anyone know the arc/swing degree on the 60 vs. 88? I've heard anywhere from 60-teeth being 6 degrees to the 88's only needing 4-6 degrees. Not very convincing...

Thanks,I picked a 1/4 and 3/8 up off ebay last night.Hopefully Armstrong can get the 88 kit available online.Not surprising the C-man and Napa,GW,etc look similar.I'm sure they all use the same basic design.Just different by the quick release hole,the handle shape,and the etching for the brand.All Danaher ratchets are fairly similar in design.I'm not sure of the tooth count on the C-man,but the internals vary depending on quick release or not,so the guts probably wouldn't interchange.
As far as swing arc,some will claim that it is hardly worth the $20 for the extra teeth.Swing arc is more important in a long handle ratchet where space could be limited.I really don't think that in a small 1/4 or even a regular 3/8 drive,you will benefit that much.Now a 15",18",or 24" long ratchet,you would see a difference.

 

[jrodc455]

I have a CM thin profile 1/4" with an 84 tooth craftsman premium gear in it, that same gear should drop into the gearwrench/napa ratchets. Can't guarantee it but they should fit.

 

[plinker]

I really don't think that in a small 1/4 or even a regular 3/8 drive,you will benefit that much.Now a 15",18",or 24" long ratchet,you would see a difference.

Depends.

I think for 1/4 drive and stubby/midgit ratchets it's benificial to have high tooth count as well. More often then not you'll need them in some hard to reach place and cant get enough "click's" with a "coarse" ratchet.

I have a S-O TL936 (1/4 dr, 6" long) and for some uses it's not fine enough, so I use the Gearwrench 60 tooth flex ratchet I have. So I agree on the long handle part.

IMO, 50 to 60 tooth count is about perfect for any 1/4 & 3/8 ratchets (That equals into 8* swing arc, or a little better). I do prefer 36 tooth in 1/2 drive though.

 

[wreckerman5357]

I prefer fine tooth ratchets over coarse teeth. After owning 72 and 80 tooth Snap-On's for a while I took my 36 tooth ratchets home. I never used them when I had a fine tooth ratchet available. I have no use for a coarse ratchet. 60 tooth is the minimum tooth found I would consider for a general purpose ratchet, with 72 or 80 being preferable. Get the 88 tooth kit from Matco if you want one or wait till you break that guy.

 

[puttsy]

I prefer fine tooth ratchets over coarse teeth. After owning 72 and 80 tooth Snap-On's for a while I took my 36 tooth ratchets home. I never used them when I had a fine tooth ratchet available. I have no use for a coarse ratchet. 60 tooth is the minimum tooth found I would consider for a general purpose ratchet, with 72 or 80 being preferable. Get the 88 tooth kit from Matco if you want one or wait till you break that guy.

When you say "wait till you break that guy", do you mean that I can take it in and get a new NAPA ratchet with higher tooth count (meaning this same model, just the next incarnation of it. NOT them giving me a better tool than I initially bought) or that once I break it I would in turn buy a better ratchet? I'm not much of a NAPA shopper (I've been in one a handful of times in my life...maybe) so I don't really know their warranty or their products. Recently I stopped by one to pick up a vee belt but only glanced at the tools. Take note, I was getting the belt for someone else to install on my vehicle...I wasn't actually the one that knew what to do/buy/how to install :S

 

[plinker]

I believe he mean's get a 88 tooth kit to put in it when the 60 tooth breaks/wears out.



Where I'm at the Napa store has the best service in the area, pretty easy to warranty stuff from them (fastest for me as well).

The ratchet you've got first appeared in the 2010 tools & equipment catalog, it's the most recent addition to thier ratchet line-up. I doubt Napa will have an 80+ tooth count ratchet for a little while yet.

 

[HammerRed]

I have the same ratchet. If broken, would napa swap it for a gear wrench ratchet since there are the same? i think..
Or would they just hand out a KD-gear wrench repair kit since they are like $5-6 at sears and amazon.(didnt know if napa had them too) I got both my 1/4" and 3/8" sets from Cripes and they are identical to gear wrench.

 

[puttsy]

I have the same ratchet. If broken, would napa swap it for a gear wrench ratchet since there are the same? i think..
Or would they just hand out a KD-gear wrench repair kit since they are like $5-6 at sears and amazon.(didnt know if napa had them too) I got both my 1/4" and 3/8" sets from Cripes and they are identical to gear wrench.

They would likely replace it with the current model 3/8" drive NAPA brand ratchet. In the case that the NAPA brand is no longer being produced, they may say that the tool as 'worn out' and you may need to find a rebuild kit. Remember, most "Lifetime Warranties" are "For the life of the tool" thus, wearing out really isn't covered. And if nobody buys the NAPA tool brand name and it simply gets discontinued, no-one has the assets and liabilities that go with they name. They may replace it with a Gearwrench or KD tool though, whichever is cheaper for them is usually how it plays out,