Dating a Husky CS 42?

[Eilif]

Just picked up this "Husky CS42 Kilness Patent 1/2-Drive Ratchet".






Alloy Artifacts ( http://alloy-artifacts.org/newbritain-nonebetter-p2.html )
says 1957-61.

My Question for you tool sleuths is: Does the presence of "Patent Pending" but lack of Patent numbers suggest closer to '57 or '61?

I couldn't find a single comparable for sale or sold on eBay. Perhaps it's less common.

I only got it because it was with an SK 42470 1/4 Ratchet I wanted but the Husky seems to have finer teeth and a smoother action so I think I'm going to hold onto both.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Does the presence of "Patent Pending" but lack of Patent numbers suggest closer to '57 or '61?

Kilness, assigning for New Britain, was awarded two ratchet patents. The first (2554990) was submitted in 1949 and granted in 1951. The second (2981389) was submitted in 1957 and granted in 1961. I'm more of a Costello and Fors era collector, and someone more versed in Kilness may know better, but logically, the presence of no patent number, and just a "PAT. PEND." marking would indicate the first patent to me, therefore, no earlier than 1949 and no later than 1951.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Or they just did not include the pat pending stamp

 

[Private Lugnutz]

It has a "PAT. PEND." stamp. No patent number. As if a patent (implying the first one) has not been awarded yet. I've seen them with the first patent number and a "PAT. PEND." marking. The "PAT. PEND." marking on those would clearly be referring to the second patent and production between 1957 and 1961.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Ah OK. Well, the selector suggest the second patent. Any more pics?

 

[Eilif]

Ah OK. Well, the selector suggest the second patent. Any more pics?

Just this one.

Middle. Along with the SK 42470 and the Wright 3435 that came in the same lot.

 

[bluedog225]

I dated a husky once.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Just this one.

Middle. Along with the SK 42470 and the Wright 3435 that came in the same lot.

Yup that's second patent

I dated a husky once.

Haven't we all!

 

[Oldtuleguy]

First patent looked like this

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Well, the selector suggest the second patent.

Yup that's second patent

Thanks. You're the "someone more versed in Kilness may know better," I was hoping for. We can only conclude that they were apparently just inconsistent in their marking methodology, in some cases, such as this one, dropping the first patent number altogether, where the "PAT. PEND." does refer to the second patent.

...closer to '57 or '61?

That's already a very tight window, but if you really want to narrow it down more, it would be near the end of that period. A mfgr could not legally mark a tool "PAT. PEND." until they received notice that a patent was going to be granted. It could take months to complete the process of payment and assigning it a number. Some mfgrs marked tools "PAT. APLD. FOR" (or some version of that), for example, which would be a means of somewhat tenuous protection for mfgring a tool earlier in the process.

 

[Eilif]

First patent looked like this

Wow, that's something I've never seen before, and that I don't think even Alloy Artifacts has a picture of one. Thanks for the Era confirmation.

That's already a very tight window, but if you really want to narrow it down more, it would be near the end of that period. A mfgr could not legally mark a tool "PAT. PEND." until they received notice that a patent was going to be granted. It could take months to complete the process of payment and assigning it a number. Some mfgrs marked tools "PAT. APLD. FOR" (or some version of that), for example, which would be a means of somewhat tenuous protection for mfgring a tool earlier in the process.

Thanks. I was interested to know the implications of these terms on tools.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Here's one with 1st patent number and pat. Pending

 

[Tom "Python" Aycock]

I dated a husky once.

I was gonna go there but, bam, there it is!

 

[jc4635]

Just picked up this "Husky CS42 Kilness Patent 1/2-Drive Ratchet".






Alloy Artifacts ( http://alloy-artifacts.org/newbritain-nonebetter-p2.html )
says 1957-61.

My Question for you tool sleuths is: Does the presence of "Patent Pending" but lack of Patent numbers suggest closer to '57 or '61?

I couldn't find a single comparable for sale or sold on eBay. Perhaps it's less common.

I only got it because it was with an SK 42470 1/4 Ratchet I wanted but the Husky seems to have finer teeth and a smoother action so I think I'm going to hold onto both.

I got 2 of these, but was wandering if anyone has ever seen a 3/8ths drive one or a 3/4” drive.