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Big Grouch

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Does anyone know the markup on Snap On tool boxes? Looking at a KRL series, I want to make a one time cash offer to my dealer. I'm sure they make a lot on them, I'm hoping he'll be willing to make a few hundred dollars for little effort on his part. Thank you.
 
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you gotta have him WANT to sell you a box ... it kinda goes like this he show's off the biggest baddest thing on the truck and you say wow thats coool how much and he's like blah blah blah way more than you can afford or would be willing to pay... keep doing this for about like 3 or 4 months then some shmuck is going to trade in a box in pretty good condition and you get it for thousands less then new and if your cool enough with him he will give you a ridiculous amount on the trade in of your current box.
 
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I don't have a trade in, and he likely will never get what I'm looking for on a trade in. I'm looking for something very specific.
 

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as long as your cool with your snap on man he can get you a good price.... but as for mark up thats anyones guess the offer 50% off tool box;s in there student ed program.... but that is less then what dealers pay for the boxes..... wait for a good promo on a krl. and if you can really wait some of the best deals happen when dealers go to the snapon dealer expo but thats a good 10months or so away by my guess. if you dont have a trade in then what are you keeping your tools in now???? idk im not the guy who's gunna drop thosands of dollars on a box untill i've earned it and buy that i mean i have a bunch of ok tool box's that a packed to the brim with great tools...... do you want a brand new krl to keep your lunch in? or do you really need the space you've paid your dues and its time for the nice box of your current dreams
 

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as long as your cool with your snap on man he can get you a good price.... but as for mark up thats anyones guess the offer 50% off tool box;s in there student ed program.... but that is less then what dealers pay for the boxes..... wait for a good promo on a krl. and if you can really wait some of the best deals happen when dealers go to the snapon dealer expo but thats a good 10months or so away by my guess. if you dont have a trade in then what are you keeping your tools in now???? idk im not the guy who's gunna drop thosands of dollars on a box untill i've earned it and buy that i mean i have a bunch of ok tool box's that a packed to the brim with great tools...... do you want a brand new krl to keep your lunch in? or do you really need the space you've paid your dues and its time for the nice box of your current dreams

Yupp, the 51% off was only from industrial reps...
 

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I don't have a trade in, and he likely will never get what I'm looking for on a trade in. I'm looking for something very specific.

Then expect to pay big $$$$$.

As stated above, trade-in boxes are an awesome deal because most drivers like to move them to make space for full value new boxes for sale. The trade ins take up valueable truck realestate.

Just like buying a very specific car in a very specific color with very specific options, look at MSRP, then haggle accordingly.

With such a specific buying option, you have very little room to haggle in my view.
 
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Obviously, so far none of you know. I know I can haggle all day with the guy. I was hoping I could find out his price, offer him $300 over that and call it a day. No fuss, no chasing me for a payment, no trying to sell a trade in.
So if you don't know the mark up on Snap On KRL series tool boxes, I don't need any more guesses. Or advice about keeping my lunch in a tool box.
 

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Obviously, so far none of you know. I know I can haggle all day with the guy. I was hoping I could find out his price, offer him $300 over that and call it a day. No fuss, no chasing me for a payment, no trying to sell a trade in.
So if you don't know the mark up on Snap On KRL series tool boxes, I don't need any more guesses. Or advice about keeping my lunch in a tool box.

If your dealer is moving boxes fine hes not going to fall over himself to sell you a "very specific" box for $300 profit (plus his transportation and labor fees). Good luck but personally if I were in your dealer shoes i'd be a bit insulted you'd even attempt to be so cheap.
 

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if you can haggle all day with the guy then why dont you just ask him his mark up your self then ? and the trade in advice was to give you an advantage in getting a lower price.
 

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No need to be an a$$. Honestly if its specific. Its going to have to be special ordered and maybe even custom built. So that basicly meens tough dodo. Ur paying full price. Ur dealer isnt going to do all the leg work to make $300. Not worth it plus transport it to you. Hed be better off selling a few ratchets. Im good friends with my dealer and he even said he doesnt make **** off off tool boxes and diagnostic tools. After a little haggling and dealing with trade ins its not really worth it.
 

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Cheap *******. If I was your SO dealer I would invite you to leave and never come back.

You obviously have no idea what is involved in running a small business and furthermore you don't give a **** if his kids eat or not.

Go to harbor freight.


Obviously, so far none of you know. I know I can haggle all day with the guy. I was hoping I could find out his price, offer him $300 over that and call it a day. No fuss, no chasing me for a payment, no trying to sell a trade in.
So if you don't know the mark up on Snap On KRL series tool boxes, I don't need any more guesses. Or advice about keeping my lunch in a tool box.
 

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Cheap *******. If I was your SO dealer I would invite you to leave and never come back.

You obviously have no idea what is involved in running a small business and furthermore you don't give a **** if his kids eat or not.

Go to harbor freight.

No ****, if someone walked into my business thinking that I was going to grab my ankles for $300 I would tell them to kiss my *** and tell them they could start doing business with someone else.

How about I walk into your shop and tell you that I'm willing to pay $5 over cost for you to work on my car?
 

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Obviously, so far none of you know. I know I can haggle all day with the guy. I was hoping I could find out his price, offer him $300 over that and call it a day. No fuss, no chasing me for a payment, no trying to sell a trade in.
So if you don't know the mark up on Snap On KRL series tool boxes, I don't need any more guesses. Or advice about keeping my lunch in a tool box.

Aaaaand wow that was fast, 2014 dbag of the year right here...

If you knew how hard it was operating a tool franchise, you might have a little more respect for your dealer. Best of luck in life, Lil' Grouch.
 

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Wow, someone claimed a 35 percent margin across the board for the tool trucks? I hope that's low: pretty tough to run a tiny niche retail business on a gross margin that small. I also hope snapon.com orders get some of that margin apportioned out to the dealer for that zipcode.
 

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Cheap *******. If I was your SO dealer I would invite you to leave and never come back.

You obviously have no idea what is involved in running a small business and furthermore you don't give a **** if his kids eat or not.

Go to harbor freight.

Um, $300 can buy a lot of hot dogs and mac & cheese.

The dealer is making a profit, and there's no "selling" or time invested other than ordering and picking it up. There's even less work as he's paying cash, so no financing or payment chasing to worry about. How much time do you think it's going to take the dealer to order the box and pick it up? 3 hours? At $100 an
hour, I think it's worth doing. Even if it took 6 hours, $50 an hour certainly isn't the poor house.

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35% is super low, you'll find most specialty retailers (bicycles, furniture, etc.) are 75-100% retail markup, and no one gets rich selling bicycles except the manufacturers. And I doubt any Snap-On dealer is rolling in mountains of cash either.

Good luck, I'd find $300 over cost insulting as well, especially if you're not a regular customer.
 

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Wow....."Don't even attempt to help me out unless you know the answer to my question with 200% certainty to the penny. For those of you that wasted 2 minutes of your life to try and help my arrogant ***, please shut your mouth and go f$&k yourself".

What a **** :thefinger
 
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I posted this before, but here is how my Snap-On guy told me it works. He is pretty open with me, I don't get the feeling he is making this up.

He knows I want a huge Green box. He told me that IF i did not need it any time soon, he could make me a deal on it. He said there are TWO times a year that he gets to put in his orders and he gets the boxes for cheap.

One is a national sale to the vendors, one is a local sale when that area/district gets special offers from the factory.

Here is what he says he does. If i can wait till one of those two times a year, he can make an order to the Factory and they will really make deals with him. He said he could get me a discount on my box, and get me a hutch for free! He said at those two times a year he buys all the boxes he thinks he can sell, and for others that are waiting or can wait patiently....

With him buying so many boxes he said they will glad Wheel-n-Deal with him and he gets very favorable pricing during these times.... He said he buys all the boxes for people that are waiting or have "orders in" with him. Plus he buys about 10-12 more boxes to sell until the next sale time comes up.

IF you need the box today and want it now. You/I are going to pay for it and get a much smaller discount.

There is a third option.... Since my guy buys boxes to "hopefully" sell later. That means he may get a box in a color or style that does not move too fast. If he sits on this box for too long he may be willing to make a deal on it too... Since I want an Extreme Green box(and hutch), I will probably have to wait until he can order it for me.

This may or may not be the way your S-O guy does business. But what my guy was telling me I think this makes sense.

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35% is super low, you'll find most specialty retailers (bicycles, furniture, etc.) are 75-100% retail markup, and no one gets rich selling bicycles except the manufacturers. And I doubt any Snap-On dealer is rolling in mountains of cash either.

Good luck, I'd find $300 over cost insulting as well, especially if you're not a regular customer.
Margin and markup are two different things. Bike shop margins in that 35 percent range gross aren't uncommon, but then again bike shops don't drive to all their customers either.
 

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From reading some Franchise rants on forums a couple years back, I think franchisee's (Snap-on) paid 32% under full retain on most items. I don't know if tool boxes fall under the same markup.

I really love tools (especially Snap-on) and looked on the internet for information about being a franchisee. After reading a lot of horror stories from franchisee's and ex-franchisee's, from all three major brands (Snap-on, Mac and Matco), I decided it would not be worth it for me.

That's where I saw it posted more than once that Snap-on franchisee's paid 32% less than full retail.

Franchisee's owners that aren't lucky enough to get a good "List of Calls" with good customers that buy often and pay their payment, usually fail pretty quickly. Initial start-up cost for a franchisee is upwards of $250k for a new fully stocked truck. A very large investment and most end up financing the majority of that in the beginning, therefore setting themselves up for failure. The big 3 are bad to give you bad area's (dead beats and slow sale areas), ship product you didn't order weekly if they don't think you are selling enough and just yank you around in general.

If you notice in the posts on this forum, you see where one area talks about how good one franchise is, but the other one *****. The Matco guy rocks, the Snap-on guy is a ****! Or it is the other way around.

The guy that is a **** usually ends up failing and that company recycles that route to a new guy who has a uphill battle to try and establish a good customer base.

I've even heard stories where people took a "bad route", finally turned it into a "good route" that was profitable and then that company took "good, buying, paying customers" from their "List of Calls", gave it to another franchisee and stuck the original guy with more "bad, dead beat, non-buying customers".

Many have debated that the big 3 set their franchisee's up for failure on purpose as it made them money.

Snap-on, Mac and Matco are apparently real ****** to their franchisee's.

If dude wants to pay $300 over dealer cost on a tool box, he'd probably have to spent a ton of money with that franchisee, or that franchisee would have to be on his way to loosing his distributorship. That or be married to his sister or something. I don't think a successful franchisee would sell that cheap. Just sounds unrealistic.

Just my opinion.

And FYI, it is technically against their agreement to sell to someone not on their "List of Calls". The franchisee has to ask Snap-on if they can add you to their list. Meaning that technically it has to be approved before he can sell you anything.

You can only be on one list and you can't pick and choose which franchisee you want to buy from. You get the one that is closest to you unless someone can work some magic for you.

You might have a hard time finding a franchisee in another area that will sell to you. It's possible you'd need to have a friend on that franchisee's route and have your friend work the deal.

I'm sure their are some franchisee's that will sell anything to anyone as long as it is a cash sell, but that isn't every franchisee.

Being a special order tool box, that might be a problem. Not quite as simple as selling you something that is already on the truck or isn't "special order".

Cornwell is the only company that gives their franchisee an "area". He can sell to whomever he wants to within his area and can sell to people outside of his area as long as "your area" doesn't already have a Cornwell franchisee.
 

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Aaaaand wow that was fast, 2014 dbag of the year right here...

If you knew how hard it was operating a tool franchise, you might have a little more respect for your dealer. Best of luck in life, Lil' Grouch.

I think most retailers are used to this type of customer. A salesman who can only sell great stuff to great guys isn't really that much of a salesman, right? I think most salesmen know that a lot of people in trades don't have the same people skills, and can roll their eyes inwardly. Between us, obviously the OP doesn't have a lot of sensitivity or understanding for the driver's point of view, but that's not always his job.

That aside, this thread reminds me of a story someone told me of going to a car lot and, wanting to skip over the rigamarole, asked the salesman, "so how much is the real price?' The salesman said, "there it is, right on the windshield."
 

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From reading some Franchise rants on forums a couple years back, I think franchisee's (Snap-on) paid 32% under full retain on most items. I don't know if tool boxes fall under the same markup.

Good post. Puts things into perspective too.

Say your right on the 32% markup, let's look at the numbers.

The cheapest KRL Roll Cab on the Snap-On website - which is your base run-of-the-mill 7 drawer roll-cab - and that's $3,655 retail. Certain KRL cabs exceed $11,000, and this is just single roll cabs we're talking. No extensions, customisations, tops, add-ons etc. Just the one base roll cab.

If 32% markup is true, here's how it goes - for the cheapest KRL roll-cab:

Retail: $3,655.
Franchise truck cost price: $2492.20
OP willing to pay $2792.20.
The franchise makes the OP's determined $300 profit, yet loses out on an additional $862.80.

Tell him he's dreamin'!.

If the last point was reversed, the truck makes $862 and the OP saves, $300 - cool - otherwise, not so much.

But a "specific" rig as the OP mentions has got to be more than a basic 7 drawer roll cab - so chances are where talking $10,000 plus for such a load-out. I highly doubt any franchise in that situation will take $300 profit, over the $2000+ he/she should be making.

:headscrat
 

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You just have to tell your driver what specifically you want and wait till he or she can get it at their best price, then they can sell it to you for their best.

Beware some dealers act like there are never sales or rebates, etc.

you just need to be straight forward with your dealer, tell them you want the best possible price if that means waiting till the big conference or rock and roll truck or whatever just let you know. Rebates and discounts come up all the time you just have to be serious about buying and have an idea what your budget is. What they can sell them for varies all the time.
 

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If some of you guys understood the cost of running a tool truck you would understand. $300 profit is ****. $50 is not good enough. Between insurence, fuel costs, truck cost/payment, truck mait, restocking the truck, and trying to pay yourself somewhere out of whats left. Even with the over $1000 of profit on a box it still doesnt leave much for the owner. My driver does well has alot of shops and is a great guy. But he doesnt live in a mansion or drive a ferrari. He lives in a row home and drive a 1500 chevy pickup. Thats all she wrote. Doesnt have a brand new tool truck either.
 

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Obviously, so far none of you know. I know I can haggle all day with the guy. I was hoping I could find out his price, offer him $300 over that and call it a day. No fuss, no chasing me for a payment, no trying to sell a trade in.
So if you don't know the mark up on Snap On KRL series tool boxes, I don't need any more guesses. Or advice about keeping my lunch in a tool box.

Good luck. You mentioned he has to order it since it is not a common box.

Why would he cut his margin down that low just to get you want you want?

Not trying to be a jerk, but he is in business to make money, not give away deals.
 

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Obviously, so far none of you know. I know I can haggle all day with the guy. I was hoping I could find out his price, offer him $300 over that and call it a day. No fuss, no chasing me for a payment, no trying to sell a trade in.
So if you don't know the mark up on Snap On KRL series tool boxes, I don't need any more guesses. Or advice about keeping my lunch in a tool box.


I know box mark up but it's not worth sharing on a public forum. You will never get it for $300 over unless your dealer is the worst businessman in the world. If he takes your 300 bucks he will set a precedent in your shop of what he should make. A good dealer who makes money will generally not discount the box much but will give you an inflated trade in.
 

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Wow....."Don't even attempt to help me out unless you know the answer to my question with 200% certainty to the penny. For those of you that wasted 2 minutes of your life to try and help my arrogant ***, please shut your mouth and go f$&k yourself".

What a **** :thefinger

Well said Conductor!!

The OP is pretty ballsy to complain about people trying to help him,,,,,,,for free!

X1 Mike, you were smart not to give out the mark up info.

And many guys are absolutely right, 2 times a year, the dealers can get some serious deals on boxes as well as tools. May be a few other times they can get a deal on pre ordering also.

I understand the OP wanting to get a good deal, but $300 on a multi thousand dollar deal isn't enough profit for the tool man. I run 2 small businesses and I would say thanks but no thanks. It has also been my experience that people that cheap are the ones that complain the loudest and are in general problem customers.
 
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Well said Conductor!!

The OP is pretty ballsy to complain about people trying to help him,,,,,,,for free!

X1 Mike, you were smart not to give out the mark up info.

And many guys are absolutely right, 2 times a year, the dealers can get some serious deals on boxes as well as tools. May be a few other times they can get a deal on pre ordering also.

I understand the OP wanting to get a good deal, but $300 on a multi thousand dollar dead isn't enough profit for the tool man. I run 2 small businesses and I would say thanks but no thanks. It has also been my experience that people that cheap are the ones that complain the loudest and are in general problem customers.



Yep. Agree 100%. The OP is acting odd to say the least.
 

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Snap on snobs. Another reason not to buy their tools


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Well said Conductor!!

The OP is pretty ballsy to complain about people trying to help him,,,,,,,for free!

X1 Mike, you were smart not to give out the mark up info.

And many guys are absolutely right, 2 times a year, the dealers can get some serious deals on boxes as well as tools. May be a few other times they can get a deal on pre ordering also.

I understand the OP wanting to get a good deal, but $300 on a multi thousand dollar dead isn't enough profit for the tool man. I run 2 small businesses and I would say thanks but no thanks. It has also been my experience that people that cheap are the ones that complain the loudest and are in general problem customers.

I just don't understand people. If you want an item, put a value on it, and then make the offer. And of course your tool man will either say get off the truck or shake your hand.


Remember: You aren't going to take that blonde to the dance unless you ask. And if she says no, well, there is also that brunette or the ***** redhead with the tattoos. :lol_hitti
 

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Snap on snobs. Another reason not to buy their tools


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And another reason they do not target the Harbor Freight crowd. I will hit up HF all day long, but I also know good research/testing/tools/service/warranty cost money. HF isn't out there talking with techs and manufacturers to develop tools to make your job easier/efficient, they are copying a known product and driving down costs.

Each person has to make a decision on their own about how much they value a given item. If you aren't willing to pay what someone is selling for, go elsewhere.
 

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And another reason they do not target the Harbor Freight crowd. I will hit up HF all day long, but I also know good research/testing/tools/service/warranty cost money. HF isn't out there talking with techs and manufacturers to develop tools to make your job easier/efficient, they are copying a known product and driving down costs.


Let's be real. Tool manufacters arent talking to auto manufacterers to make techs' jobs easier. They're talking about how we can make their job harder if they dont buy this new special tool.
 

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Let's be real. Tool manufacters arent talking to auto manufacterers to make techs' jobs easier. They're talking about how we can make their job harder if they dont buy this new special tool.

Some truth to this. I believe this started when manufactures started to take away dip sticks. Having to hook up to a scanner to tell you the oil/fluid level is just flat out a rip off.
 
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Let's be real. Tool manufacters arent talking to auto manufacterers to make techs' jobs easier. They're talking about how we can make their job harder if they dont buy this new special tool.


Pure silliness, first priority when manufacturing a car and squeezing everything in is ease of manufacturing and saving money there. Far down the line is serviceability. Every car has an engine put in on the assembly line, not every car will need its water pump changed.
 

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Pure silliness, first priority when manufacturing a car and squeezing everything in is ease of manufacturing and saving money there. Far down the line is serviceability. Every car has an engine put in on the assembly line, not every car will need its water pump changed.

So engineers couldn't figure out a way to fit in a dip stick so one can check their own engine oil or trans fluid?

There is a level of purposeful design that is making owners bring cars back to the dealer or repair shop for seemingly routine stuff. This is a growing trend with many makers.

Here is one example: Replacing the window regulator on most BMW models requires the car to go back to the dealer in order to be reprogrammed. C'mon, really? That is pure and simple greed.
 
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