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pudgybear

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I have a 95 year old mother-in-law that lives with me and the wife, my question is what kind of door locks can we put on the doors to keep her in, she goes out side to look for her dog ( who died years ago) thought about a keyed dead blot but that is tough to deal with, any body got ideas on how to keep her in ?
 
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Re: dealing with demention

A keyed DB is about your only real option....technically, against the law...but, sometimes, her safety is more important than the law.

How is her health? I'm guessing, physically, she is doing well?

My 95 year old neighbor is starting to show signs of Alzheimer's. I'm his trustee. But we have 24/7 in home care for him (he is loaded). Old WWII vet.....served under Patton in N Africa, Italy, France and Germany. I'll be damned if he will be allowed to waste away in an old folks home.

So...every night....I go to visit....and listen to the same stories.....but I still love the man.

Kudo's to you for looking after your MIL. Most people want to just pawn them off on a assisted care facility.

I'm sure you know it's going to get a lot worse before it's over.
 

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Sorry to read this and my regards. :sad:

Rather than risk us not being able to find a dead bolt key or even have the sense to, in case of a fire....I put a slide bolt up high on the door where my MIL could not reach it, after she went for a walk in her night gown at 2:00 am. one night. Most seniors with dementia will not look for a foot stool or be brave enough to climb up in a chair. JMO
 
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Can you put dead bolts up high enough that she can't reach them? Or even a sliding external mounted dead bolt, or even a chained lock that only lets the door open so far. At 95, I sort of doubt that she could reach up to unlock things especially if she has dementia.

It takes a lot out of a person to deal with a person that has dementia. My dad started showing signs when he was around 90 years old, same with my mom, but dad was worse. Dad lived to be 95 and passed away in his sleep. He didn't want to go into a home, but after he was in, he was fine with it. Although I think the home keeps their patients so drugged up that the person doesn't care whether they are there or not, or even know where they are at.

I would look into a few simple external mounted locks at first before you start installing more expensive internally mounted locks.

On our first house we bought, they had the hook and eye catches mounted on the outside of all of the doors. I asked the realtor what those were for, so she asked the owners of the house. The woman's dad lived there and he had dementia. So when she was outside, she would latch the doors. That way he couldn't get out. I guess the simple hook and eye latch was all it took to keep him in. And like ddawg said....Kudo's to you for watching after your MIL. It's a tough and strenuous job for certain.
 

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Sorry Greg and Old Tools......I wasn't copying what you were saying, but I was typing when you posted. :lol: But as they say..."Great minds think alike" :thumbup:
 

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After just dealing with this with my dad for many years...as Greg suggested install slide bolts up high where she can't reach. We also installed battery operated audible alarms on the exterior doors as well. Another option which we did over the last year of his life was a couple inexpensive web based cameras in the house. Not knowing where you're at at this point, but these can be a real blessing as you don't need to get out of bed every five minutes to check on her late at night.

Good luck bud, my dads battle was 20 years of decline with the last five a real struggle for everyone. The last 6 months required round the clock oversight and care.
 

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I know the neighbor put a tracker devise on her father. He was a 'runner' and living out on a farm he could get into the woods or a distance away quickly where he could not be seen. In my case father was not a runner but got up a lot in the might to rummage in the house. We finally got a bed alarm that would set off a beeper so I could get up and put him back to bed.

One item that popped up was this http://www.aplaceformom.com/blog/4-29-15-dementia-and-elderly-gps-tracking-devices/

Good luck on you quest and I will put you on my prayer list.

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My F-I-L recently passed from esophageal cancer (*****, btw, it appears once symptoms hit it’s nearly too late to help) and he left his 56 year old wife for us to care for as she has no (useful) immediate family. She was diagnosed with early onset Alzheimer’s about 5 years ago. She is now at a stage when she can’t reasonably communicate (cannot speak in sentences, mostly incoherent mumblings, cannot read/write, etc.) and is losing her basic faculties (like the bathroom, for a lovely example). She cannot live alone, no question. We went down the home health aide route but it seemed most of the time she was just on the couch, there is only so much interaction that can be maintained in that situation. So we found a very nice facility just down the road that has been excellent for her. She gets around, smiles a lot more, they do activities, she gets attention from other people, all of which has seemed to be very beneficial her, that constant human interaction seems very important. And we are not worried about her hurting herself or ‘getting loose’ anymore. Very sad, she was a very smart woman.

To the OP I feel your pain, it is tough. I think all you can do is deadbolts and hope that works. I guess you could try locking her bedroom door at night. Besides the obvious fire escape concerns, the other things the locks might do is agitate her to the point she hurts herself.
 

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My MIL spent time in a dementia facility. They used 4" spaced netting attached to the interior doorframes with Velcro. The patients saw the barrier and could not figure out the Velcro. All exterior doors opened to an interior courtyard.

In your case, you could keep some doors restricted by furniture or use the high slider bolts as suggested. Baby or doggie gates might help as some of them require lots of finger strength to operate. The Velcro net barriers will only work if her case of dementia is advanced.

Good luck with your caregiving. It is a kind and wonderful thing to do for someone you love.
 

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Can you get a dog? Some Alzheimer patients respond well to having a dog around. As long as she doesn't feed it every hour, LOL.
 

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We had to put my Dad in a home. His second wife could not handle him asking the same question 10-20 times in one hour (I experienced that) or that there was ZERO family support nearby.
 

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What if there is a fire? You need to have a way for someone to exit in an emergency, unless you plan on having a caretaker there full time.
 

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I know in some localities it is unlawful to have a keyed deadbolt on the inside of an exterior door.
 

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I don't have any constructive advice for you. My m-I-l lived with us for a few years until her Alzheimers got so bad she had to go to a nursing home. What I can say is props to you and your family for being there for her. This can (and probably will) be a long and sorrowful road to travel. It nearly drove my wife (Sherry) insane in that she could do nothing for her mother to make life any better for her above and beyond the fact that Sherry knew that the m-I-l was safe and being loved and cared for to the best of our abilities. If you're not already to that state you will be some day. I also will add you to my prayer list. I also know that many on this forum are sending their best wishes to you even though they might now actually post them.
 
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I went thru this with my mom 5 years ago. The best thing I can say is do what you think is the best for her and have patience. Its a bad way to have to go out IMO

How bout an old fashion bolt lock up high
 

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Install door levers rather than knobs, but flip them so you have to lift up to open the door rather than push down. Dementia patients will not realize or learn new strategies.
 

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Locating locks on doors in such a way that they are not accessible to your MIL is not that answer. It prevents her from leaving in an emergency and puts you at risk for elder abuse.

Try some simple things first. Suggestions are:

1. Outside the exit door, create an area with only one exit or opening. Use shrubs or boxes to create a small defined space outside the door. Put a STOP sign next to the opening of the path. As a child, a stop sign is one of the first signs you are taught and it is natural to not go into the area. If she needs to return to the home she can as the door remains unlocked.

2. Cover the interior of the door with a mural that has a large household item as a picture. Think large bookcase or cabinet. Google fire rated door murals. She will perceive the door as a bookcase.

3. Use a light beam to trip a bright flashing light in front of the door. She may not like to approach flashing lights.

Finally, you should securely attach a GPS locator to her wrist or leg. If she does wander outside the home, she will be very confused and scared. She will not typically respond to people calling her name and may hide from searchers. In cold or hot weather she may suffer life threatening exposure within one mile of her home.

I wish you well.
 

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I lost my mom to Alzheimer's. A few patient's rights laws were at times a hindrance to providing her the car she needed. "Locking in" a person could be an issue. For example, bedrails would of prevented Mom from getting out of bed and falling at night, which she did often. You wouldn't believe the BS we went through on that subject.
 

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If you can afford it, look for a home that specializes in dementia care. Sad as it was, we had to do that with my mom at ~82. Found a wonderful facility in Modesto where my sister lives and she knew the owners (family run). Best thing we ever did... for all concerned.

As to deadbolts on the inside, I thought that was standard practice if you had an easily accessible lock - say, a door with a window in it. Never heard it was against code - always heard it as a recommended security practice..
 

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Locating locks on doors in such a way that they are not accessible to your MIL is not that answer. It prevents her from leaving in an emergency and puts you at risk for elder abuse.

Try some simple things first. Suggestions are:

1. Outside the exit door, create an area with only one exit or opening. Use shrubs or boxes to create a small defined space outside the door. Put a STOP sign next to the opening of the path. As a child, a stop sign is one of the first signs you are taught and it is natural to not go into the area. If she needs to return to the home she can as the door remains unlocked.

2. Cover the interior of the door with a mural that has a large household item as a picture. Think large bookcase or cabinet. Google fire rated door murals. She will perceive the door as a bookcase.

3. Use a light beam to trip a bright flashing light in front of the door. She may not like to approach flashing lights.

Finally, you should securely attach a GPS locator to her wrist or leg. If she does wander outside the home, she will be very confused and scared. She will not typically respond to people calling her name and may hide from searchers. In cold or hot weather she may suffer life threatening exposure within one mile of her home.

I wish you well.

Some really great ideas, outside the box thinking.
 

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I lost my mom to Alzheimer's. A few patient's rights laws were at times a hindrance to providing her the car she needed. "Locking in" a person could be an issue. For example, bedrails would of prevented Mom from getting out of bed and falling at night, which she did often. You wouldn't believe the BS we went through on that subject.


In a nursing home bed rails can be considered a form of restraint particularly full rails, dunno how that would be in a home situation.
 

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I had a SO that worked at a care home for quit a while. The facility was design from the start as a dementia unit. The building was built completely backwards. The back yard was fenced in and that side of the building was the 'front'. The actual entrance side looked nice from the outside but from the inside it looked like a coat closet in a hallway. The actual closet was right next to the entrance and visitors mixed them up on a regular basis. They didn't need to lock the door. When residents wanted to leave they went into the backyard and wandered around.
 

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I have a 95 year old mother-in-law that lives with me and the wife, my question is what kind of door locks can we put on the doors to keep her in, she goes out side to look for her dog ( who died years ago) thought about a keyed dead blot but that is tough to deal with, any body got ideas on how to keep her in ?

I can appreciate all the concerns being expressed here but, the advice given is straying way off course for the present OP's situation. Read the OP again. The way I read the OP is that the MIL is not living in separate quarters (as in - law quarters) where she may go un-noticed. The MIL is living in the home with the OP and his wife. Any emergency that happens in the OP's home will be experienced by the OP or his wife of which they would care for the MIL in that event. People do not leave 95 y.o. dementia stricken people alone and if they do, that is elder abuse.....

The OP needs to go to a Alzheimer's site and get informed as to what is coming for he and his wife and get prepared. Not only is her getting out of the home a problem now, but there will be sinks turned on wide open that can flood the home....Stove burners turn on and left on, outburst of rage at the OP and his wife, seeing things not real..... on and on. Yes, if the MIL lives much longer, she will eventually have to be put in a professional housing/care unit. $$$$$$$$$
 

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My dad had dementia caused by Parkinson's. He would wander around the house at night and sometimes thought people were after him. A few times he left the house in the middle of the night. My folks lived on a ranch; trying to find him at 3 a.m. wasn't fun.

My mother finally found some small door alarms that were LOUD. If he tried to open a door the alarm would wake here up. Also scared the sh!t out of him. He would usually forget about trying to leave the house when the alarm went off.
 

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When our toddler learned how to open doors and started wandering around the house in the middle of the night we put this on her door so it would only open a few inches. https://www.amazon.com/Safety-1st-Prograde-Drill-Door/dp/B0035RQF54 We also added these to her door and all of the exterior doors so we could hear if she opened the door.https://www.amazon.com/Personal-Security-Window-Alarm-45115/dp/B00178HMCI/ref=sr_1_1?s=baby-products&ie=UTF8&qid=1475171196&sr=8-1&keywords=wireless+door+alarm+chime
 
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I don't know what kind of money you want to spend, but it would be pretty easy to install an electronic lock on the door, tied to the smoke detectors to unlock in an emergency... and provide notification of operation of the door.

Lots of ways to accomplish this.
 
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