Dear Sears (5 years from now)

[shoturtle]

Re: Dear Sears(5 years from now)

It is a pointless thread, it is just another way to bash sears and non US made tools.

Also I would take a craftsman rebrand of the knipex over the usa wf made tongue and groove pliers without a second thought.

The reason to reply to this thread it to counter all the false and negative things said on GJ. The Asian slur remark was removed after it was mention. If other just let things like that go, GJ will be just another backward nonsense forum with piss pour info for people really looking for good sound advice.

 

[themiller]

Re: Dear Sears(5 years from now)

Lets look at something else, guns. How many of you guys own an sks,an ak47, a takerov, mossberg, or a mosin nagant? Maybe some of you are lucky enough to own a dragonuv. Ak47s are built to amazing quality, with sks's not being far behind. This thread is completely pointless imo.

I partially agree with one statement you made. I'm not sure if you're serious about the other. This thread did cause me to set a reminder to send off a nice email to Sears with my feelings, and well wishes to the employee who will read it.

 

[NHBandit]

Re: Dear Sears(5 years from now)

Maybe it is pointless. I'm just pissed at these self rightious types around here who think that if a thread dosn't interest THEM that gives them the right to intentioanlly try to have it locked. Am I the only one who feels that's a bit selfish ? One of the things I really like about this place is the variety of subjects even if they don't ALL interest me. Being a free thinking adult I simply go to the next topic without feeling the need to comment when I click on something that's not my bag. Kinda like TV.. If I'm not interested in what's on channel 4 I don't feel the need to write to them and tell them I think they ****. I just see what's on channel 5... It ain't rocket science guys.

 

[toolstools]

Re: Dear Sears(5 years from now)

Why reply to this thread? Because i have an opinion that obviously other people agree with me on. How am i goin to get it locked? Because im talking about Russian guns? If people arent allowed to make opinions that don't go with the op statement, why have a forum? I thought the purpose of this forum was to give people solid information on products companies offer so that the reader may form his or her own opinion from the good and bad statements before buying said product?

 

[toolstools]

Re: Dear Sears(5 years from now)

I partially agree with one statement you made. I'm not sure if you're serious about the other. This thread did cause me to set a reminder to send off a nice email to Sears with my feelings, and well wishes to the employee who will read it.

Serious about what comment?

 

[NHBandit]

Re: Dear Sears(5 years from now)

Why reply to this thread? Because i have an opinion that obviously other people agree with me on. How am i goin to get it locked? Because im talking about Russian guns? If people arent allowed to make opinions that don't go with the op statement, why have a forum? I thought the purpose of this forum was to give people solid information on products companies offer so that the reader may form his or her own opinion from the good and bad statements before buying said product?

Of course you have the "right" to reply. I just don't get why you feel you need to. If you're tired of threads about the decline of Craftsman tools DON'T READ THEM. Yes it really is that simple... My feeling is that Sears thinks they can save their tool sales by being like everyone else and going with the flow (overseas manufacturing). My opinion is that it only makes them one of the run of the mill bottom feeders among MANY. I would bet that they could do alot better by rising above the rest and putting the emphasis back on quality at a price that's less than the truck brands but above the imports. That's what built their reputation in the past and why most of us "used to" shop there.

 

[thetreshon]

Re: Dear Sears(5 years from now)

Geez, if I only bought "Made in Canada" stuff, I would have a VERY thin collection. . .

Keep up the good fight guys. You know you'll lose, but it's fun to read about in the mean time. The opinions of the few are far outweighed by the dollars of many.

It's a global economy. Get used to it.

If you want Canadian made tools, I don't think your collection would be very thin. Although yes, some stuff is now made overseas, you can get ALL these Canadian made pieces from Gray Tools:

Sockets, extensions, ratchets, wrenches, screwdrivers, prybars, rollbars, chisels, punches - there are more Canadian made pieces, just have to verify the rest.

They don't have giveaway sales like Sears/Craftsman, but they usually do 4 month sales flyers. Great prices, for high quality tools. Some higher or lower priced than Snap on, but lifetime warranty as well.

I can't afford a lot, but I've gotten sick and tired of my cheap tools breaking or wearing out fast, so I've opted for supporting Canadian manufacturing, with lifetime warranty, and decent regular prices, and great sale prices. I save my money and buy stuff I need as I go.

More and more NEW Canadian made Gray has been filling up my tool chest the last couple years.

 

[toolstools]

Re: Dear Sears(5 years from now)

Of course you have the "right" to reply. I just don't get why you feel you need to. If you're tired of threads about the decline of Craftsman tools DON'T READ THEM. Yes it really is that simple...

Because there IS NO DECLINE IN CRAFTSMAN TOOLS. And i do retract one statement. This is a very good thread. People get to see how many other people truly care about coo being usa.i feel the need to reply because it simply isnt true. If people feel the need to buy usa and still don't mind paying the premium, buy snap on. Truth of the matter is, a snap on wrench will get the job done just the same as my Stanley wrenches and my craftsman Chinese stuff.

 

[Higgins]

Re: Dear Sears(5 years from now)

Where do you purchase the grey tools from?

If from CA, how big of a hassle is it to order for delivery in the US?

 

[thetreshon]

Re: Dear Sears(5 years from now)

Where do you purchase the grey tools from?

If from CA, how big of a hassle is it to order for delivery in the US?

Honestly I don't know where you'd get them in the U.S. as you can't order directly from Gray, only from distributors.

In my area, like most cities in Canada, I have several industrial type shops I can buy from, but only one with a display area, where you can handle the pieces.

Best is to call Gray Tools direct at 1-800-567-0518

(Grabbed from here http://graytools.com/contact/ )

I've called them regarding distributors, country of origin of certain pieces and other things and get great service from them. They should be able to help you figure out how to get their stuff.

P.S. the Canadian made stuff is GrAy. GrEy is overseas made (Grey Pneumatic).

 

[bdamico]

Re: Dear Sears(5 years from now)

They Took Our Jobs, Took Errr Jerbs, dey turk err jurbz, theeey durrrka duuuuurrr, Durka Durrr.

 

[donnykooy]

Re: Dear Sears(5 years from now)

but the quality is not the same...I have two 1/2 craftsman ratchets...one is american made the other oversees...they are exactly the same size but the oversees one is about 1 lbs lighter because its made with a cheap alloy compound. I would rather have a quality tool that I rarely had to bring to sears for a new one than a low quality one that keeps breaking...how much gas did i burn driving back and forth to sears because the oversees tool kept breaking?...food for thought

 

[haugy]

Re: Dear Sears(5 years from now)

I could care less if its American. Craftsman still has the warranty. Example, craftsman usa side snips-18 bucks. Duralast-6. I buy for warranty and not coo. Sears will never cut prices 66% to compete. Craftsman will still have the warranty, regardless of where they're made. You are fighting a loosing battle most people dont care about

Then you and I shall agree to disagree.

 

[Strouty]

Re: Dear Sears(5 years from now)

So if you KNOW your comments might cause a thread to get locked why post them ? Do you think giving your personal opinion is more important than the potential opinions of those guys who won't get heard once the thread is gone ? Maybe if you know your post is going to be too controversial you should just keep it to yourself or modify it so it's not instead of posting it anyway & then typing "IBTL"... That makes it appear that you think whatever you have to say is so important that it HAS to be said no matter what trouble it causes. You seem to enjoy creating drama.. Just a thought. As to the original post I'm not even sure Sears will still be in business in 5 years. Reading some of these posts I see that I'm not the only one who ONLY goes to Sears to look at the tools. Make those no better than the other tool stores that sell imported stuff and my reason for going there is gone. I have a Harbor Freight and a Northern Tool store within a 20 minute drive if I want something cheap. Goodbye Sears. It's been fun.

Bait taken, thanks for making my point.

On topic: Sears customers that don't care about COO are not supporting the future of the USA. This is my opinion, take it anyway you want, agree or disagree, but it is on topic and I am not being overly crude.

 

[toolstools]

Re: Dear Sears(5 years from now)

Then you and I shall agree to disagree.

Agreed lol

 

[cazin678]

Re: Dear Sears(5 years from now)

Typical- baffled by unimportant details, you're missing the big picture:

In five years, Sears won't exist. Incompetent management doomed them long ago, they're just limping along on real estate revenue.

Craftsman will be sold off to a (drumroll please) international company.

There are no large "American" companies anymore- wake up, it's 2013- your rant lost any legs 20 yrs ago.

I buy quality. It costs money. I don't care where it was made, I don't get style points for buying USA, NOR does anything I buy that is "US Made" actually support US workers, when the company is an INTERNATIONAL company.

Quit listening to your union rep- he just wants you to keep contributing to his Ponzi- er, I mean "pension"......

 

[BDT/NWMN]

Re: Dear Sears(5 years from now)

Black and Decker, Lionel, RCA, and a host of other names that we have grown up with are no longer USA products... Am I happy about that--NO--... Craftsman is continually adding to the list of exported jobs. I bought up extra USA Craftsman products and set them aside for future "enjoyment" and gift giving... I showed my youngest son a 3/8" drive socket set at Christmas time.. I told him I would be ashamed to give that ratchet to anyone for a gift, because it was so junky... I have eight new junky ratchets!! Nine sockets and a ratchet in a case for $9.99 seemed like a low cost yet practical gift.....USA made Craftsman. 50% off, regular price of !9.99.... I would rather pay the $19.99 and get the quality of tools that Craftsman has sold in the past... There is no such thing as a "Craftsman Tool Factory" as the Craftsman tools are built by other manufacturers to Craftsman Specifications.... Did Bidding competition amongst these manufacturers, plus cheapened specs enable Craftsman to sell these low cost tools?? Most likely... did Sears make a profit selling Craftsman tools???? Looks like Craftsman has ""lowered the bar""" one more notch, and exported more production to Red China.... ME = Not pleased about this at all.... On my last trip to Sears, I felt like I was attending a funeral.... I purchased a few USA items, but looked them over carefully.. I looked at some USA screwdrivers that looked like they belonged on a yard sale... I don't work for Craftsman, nor have I ever chatted with a Craftsman CEO.. I don't have any figures and cannot guess on what they will gain by going to Red China with hand tool production.. Will I will be buying fewer of their products?? yep SAD

 

[JimVonBaden]

Re: Dear Sears(5 years from now)

Geez, if I only bought "Made in Canada" stuff, I would have a VERY thin collection. . .

Keep up the good fight guys. You know you'll lose, but it's fun to read about in the mean time. The opinions of the few are far outweighed by the dollars of many.

It's a global economy. Get used to it.

It is not that much different here.

The irony is that every single one of us us complaining about the demise of American manfacturing on Chinese made computers!

It IS a global economy, and if we do not learn how to take advantage of that fact, we will become a third world country!

Jim

 

[RatchetMan]

Re: Dear Sears(5 years from now)

For those hung up on USA-made Craftsman tools, you've got alternatives. Next time you want to stop for lunch or biggie-size your soda, instead just put that money in your pocket and soon you'll have enough for a genuinue Snapon made in the USA tool.

Quality and pride of ownership cost money. I know many of you think Snapon isn't worth the price but if I said you could dig into my toolbox and pull out whatever tool you wanted, you'd pick the Snapon over Craftsman every time. If you want Craftsman, stop by the next yard sale you see. I can't go anywhere without tripping over Craftsman stuff. It'll be 150 years before all the USA made Craftsman tools currently in existence are gone.

 

[bdamico]

Re: Dear Sears(5 years from now)

If an item is made in the USA, then buying it clearly does support U.S. workers, because it was made in the U.S. by U.S. workers.

I understand you're trying to make an argument about international companies, which is a valid argument. But it's wrong to say buying USA made products doesn't impact jobs in the US.

Round and round this goes as usual. Of course, buying foreign made tools from a US company that are sold in US stores also supports US jobs.

 

[planeguy]

Re: Dear Sears(5 years from now)

If an item is made in the USA, then buying it clearly does support U.S. workers, because it was made in the U.S. by U.S. workers.

Buying american is a canibalistic economy, you support high wages by high costs, you then need more money for what you do to keep up with costs and this is true of every worker. there is no net gain in this cycle.

I prefer to buy USA tools because China amongst others is our geopolitical nemises...If you support china you are supporting the greatest threat to our long term future. I have no problem buying a tool with better value from other nations who are not planning to take us down.

 

[puttsy]

I don't think phrases based on ethnic slurs are appreciated here. Those of us who avoid Chinese products do it for economic/political/human rights reasons, not because we dislike Asian people.

Thank you. No calling out the person using, too many it's the same as swear words but, some of us are related to or with citizens from Asian countries and do grimace when such are used.

 

[zakmartin]

Re: Dear Sears(5 years from now)

Maybe someday, Americans will realize that manufacturing is core to a successful economy and the jobs will return. Then again, maybe someday parachute pants white wigs we be back in style.

 

[bdamico]

Re: Dear Sears(5 years from now)

It is not that much different here.

The irony is that every single one of us us complaining about the demise of American manfacturing on Chinese made computers!

It IS a global economy, and if we do not learn how to take advantage of that fact, we will become a third world country!

Jim

There was an interesting story on Shark Tank about a guy who invented a really cool truck rack that you could retract. He makes it in NC I think and it does well at SEMA and he sells a bunch online. But he can't bring his margins down enough to sell it autostores or get any real distribution.

He gets offers for investment if he moves production offshore to cut costs enough to get his product into stores and to distribute his product internationally on a competitive level. He refuses and keeps limping along because he wants to support american workers. What he fails to realize is that he is hurting america and his company. If he moved production offshore and became a successful company he would need to employ more higher waged employees to run his company, sell his product, market his product, etc. etc. In this day and age you have to adapt and grow the pie.

 

[cburnscrx]

Re: Dear Sears(5 years from now)

For those hung up on USA-made Craftsman tools, you've got alternatives. Next time you want to stop for lunch or biggie-size your soda, instead just put that money in your pocket and soon you'll have enough for a genuinue Snapon made in the USA tool.

Quality and pride of ownership cost money. I know many of you think Snapon isn't worth the price but if I said you could dig into my toolbox and pull out whatever tool you wanted, you'd pick the Snapon over Craftsman every time. If you want Craftsman, stop by the next yard sale you see. I can't go anywhere without tripping over Craftsman stuff. It'll be 150 years before all the USA made Craftsman tools currently in existence are gone.

Please don't take offense to this because that's not where I am going.

But when you get your biggie sized lunch, aren't you supporting an American company and american workers? lol

Of course most people would take the Snap On over a Craftsman, in much the same way people would take a Corvette over a Camaro...unless of course they are the one paying for it. Both do about the same thing, and both get you where you are going quickly, but for my money the Camaro is a better value. You can see where I am going with this...

 

[Free Willie]

Re: Dear Sears(5 years from now)

It is impossible for a North American company to compete with any country that rapes the enviroment. There are more countries than just China that put factories near water and dump all there waste into it. Streams are filled with all kinds of toxins. Pollution control is non existent.

Here we have so many health and safety rules (most are good) and enviromental laws that companies spend way more of there profits just keeping up with new and sometimes silly legislation

We have all heard and read stories of the Chinese drywall scandal. Inferior markings for grade on fasteners. Lead paint still being used on childrens toys.

It would be a long list if every issue was addressed.

Well said sir! Everyone wants to blame the unions and overpaid American workers (including themselves apparently).
I feel bad for the Chinese people as their government seems to be happy to poison them into prosperity. Have you seen the news reports that have them wearing air masks when they go outside? They say that more Chinese own cars now so more pollution. Couldn't be the factories running with no environmental oversight polluting the air & water. Take a look at this link and tell me the only advantage China has is cheap labor. http://www.chinahush.com/2009/10/21/amazing-pictures-pollution-in-china/

This is why I buy American made over Chinese whenever I can.

 

[03protege]

Re: Dear Sears(5 years from now)

On a side note, it would be cool to see the average yearly income of an individual compared to their COO preference.

I don't think you would really arrive at any solid conclusions based on this. There are too many different reasons in which people may sway towards USA tools vs buying Chinese.

 

[Free Willie]

Re: Dear Sears(5 years from now)

There was an interesting story on Shark Tank about a guy who invented a really cool truck rack that you could retract. He makes it in NC I think and it does well at SEMA and he sells a bunch online. But he can't bring his margins down enough to sell it autostores or get any real distribution.

He gets offers for investment if he moves production offshore to cut costs enough to get his product into stores and to distribute his product internationally on a competitive level. He refuses and keeps limping along because he wants to support american workers. What he fails to realize is that he is hurting america and his company. If he moved production offshore and became a successful company he would need to employ more higher waged employees to run his company, sell his product, market his product, etc. etc. In this day and age you have to adapt and grow the pie.

They showed a follow up to this story and the guy seems to be doing good in this country employing people in his town and as it gets bigger he will still have to hire people (in this country) to sell and market his product etc. etc...

 

[bdamico]

Re: Dear Sears(5 years from now)

They showed a follow up to this story and the guy seems to be doing good in this country employing people in his town and as it gets bigger he will still have to hire people (in this country) to sell and market his product etc. etc...

Of course he had a pop after the free advertising. That doesn't address the lost opportunity for huge growth and job creation.

 

[mmack66]

Re: Dear Sears(5 years from now)

The American public has spoken, they want the cheapest priced goods they can buy, and are willing to sacrifice quality to get it. Most "men" in the country don't know jack S about tools...just that they are shiny and they get them at Christmas because the wife went and picked it out. Sears and other companies like them cannot survive on just the purchases of those of us who want US made tools, we don't have the purchasing power to keep them in business.

This attitude is negatively impacting the US economy as more and more manufacturing goes over seas. Even the president is acknowledging that the decline of US manufacturing is hurting us in his state of the union address and is lauding the companies that are coming back....so US manufacturing does make a difference. And it's important to tell companies that it makes a difference. Public request for cheaper goods is what started this, only public request for the return of US jobs and rise in quality will fix it.

Perhaps this is a pipe dream, but so was the dream of a free country to those who started the revolutionary war in the 1700's

You can't buy a basic set of mechanics hand tools, manufactured foreign or domestic, for less that the Made in USA ones that Sears has been selling for years, and continues to sell to this day.

So the idea that consumers low price buying habits are responsible for the loss of American manufacturing and jobs is ludicrous.

 

[Free Willie]

Re: Dear Sears(5 years from now)

Of course he had a pop after the free advertising. That doesn't address the lost opportunity for huge growth and job creation.

I agree with the free advertising, Good for him. But I would rather see a slower growth and create the jobs here then a huge fast growth by sending the manufacturing overseas. I'd say a good portion of us on this forum are blue collar and would be missing out on manufacturing, supply and vending jobs associated with the product being built here. Not to mention building the factory and adding to the tax base of the town/city it is built in.

 

[bdamico]

Re: Dear Sears(5 years from now)

I agree with the free advertising, Good for him. But I would rather see a slower growth and create the jobs here then a huge fast growth by sending the manufacturing overseas. I'd say a good portion of us on this forum are blue collar and would be missing out on manufacturing, supply and vending jobs associated with the product being built here. Not to mention building the factory and adding to the tax base of the town/city it is built in.

I understand that it can hit home but long term it's the wrong direction for our country. One day, these jobs will be gone anyway to robots or 3d printers or whatever. We have to adapt and compete on a global scale.

 

[mmack66]

Re: Dear Sears(5 years from now)

Maybe someday, Americans will realize that manufacturing is core to a successful economy and the jobs will return. Then again, maybe someday parachute pants white wigs we be back in style.

As long as it is financially beneficial for an American company to manufacture products in other countries, and as long as people continue to buy those products, it will continue.

 

[Whiskyb]

Re: Dear Sears(5 years from now)

Well said sir! Everyone wants to blame the unions and overpaid American workers (including themselves apparently).
I feel bad for the Chinese people as their government seems to be happy to poison them into prosperity. Have you seen the news reports that have them wearing air masks when they go outside? They say that more Chinese own cars now so more pollution. Couldn't be the factories running with no environmental oversight polluting the air & water. Take a look at this link and tell me the only advantage China has is cheap labor. http://www.chinahush.com/2009/10/21/amazing-pictures-pollution-in-china/

This is why I buy American made over Chinese whenever I can.

Those are some really sad pictures. Unfortunately the more we buy from them the more this will happen. Those shots of the water I guess would not bother anyone because its the water over there. Its not like the oceans are connected! Look how quickly the trash from the Japanese tsunami crossed the ocean. The ships that carry all that merchandise also have a bad amount of hidden dangers to the enviroment. Keep our jobs here. Yes we will be buying some stuff but some things we get from them are totally stupid junk.

Dont go to Wallyword much as I have a poor opinion of there enviromental record as well but on my last trip I was amazed at some things that no one in America can make. They were selling cedar shims from China! They had marshmellow roasting stix from China! Its just a stick, can someone not package these here cheaper. Most of the time it is made from our raw materials so maybe we should stop selling our raw materials

 

[SteveCh]

Re: Dear Sears(5 years from now)

My wife and I stopped by a Sears last month to pick up some socket rails, they had them for half price and I hadn't found any locally anywhere else. So of course I perused the tools. They have a big wall of them, the single-piece stuff. Big wall. Many hundreds of items. Everything from wrenches to adapters to sockets and so on.

Each and every piece I looked at was on a card hanging from the pegboard and each card had where the tool was made. I'd guess about half the ones I looked at were USA made. So at least for the time being, it is very easy to find the US tools there. Don't know how long this will last, but for now....

 

[mmack66]

Re: Dear Sears(5 years from now)

Well said sir! Everyone wants to blame the unions and overpaid American workers (including themselves apparently).
I feel bad for the Chinese people as their government seems to be happy to poison them into prosperity. Have you seen the news reports that have them wearing air masks when they go outside? They say that more Chinese own cars now so more pollution. Couldn't be the factories running with no environmental oversight polluting the air & water. Take a look at this link and tell me the only advantage China has is cheap labor. http://www.chinahush.com/2009/10/21/amazing-pictures-pollution-in-china/

This is why I buy American made over Chinese whenever I can.

It wasn't so long ago that America had environmental issues. We had a river catch on fire, for god's sake. More than enough people have been poisoned here, and we are still paying for poisons and pollution put into the environment by irresponsible companies.

And all of that occurred during the time that America was the greatest industrial nation on Earth.

 

[R6 Racer]

Re: Dear Sears(5 years from now)

This is definitely a hard topic to deal with for some.
The issue is all about standards of living. Some will say "what" we are talking tools.
If all you want is "the best bang for your buck" then you need to understand that your saying that it's OK to lower your standard of living. This is not disputable whatsoever! Take China, they can produce tools cheaper than we can here, simply because the people who make them are getting WAY less that the people making tools here are. Yes I know the quality of their steel argument. That aside, even where the same quality steel is used, that steel is produced by people making WAY less than the people here who make steel do.
Is there anyone who can't see the pattern here?

If we are willing to continue to shop in this manner we will be saying "it's ok to pay people less for doing that job". By doing this, we as consumers are saying that the guy who lives down the street who works at the steel plant should have his wages cut. This attitude has a waterfall affect that well eventually effect all of us.
The steel worker looses his job @ $25/Per.Hr & is now working at Wallmart (you know, that wonderful company providing jobs for us North Americans) for $10 Per/Hr. Now he can no longer afford to buy cloths from Red Cap or Duluth & must resort to buying clothes imported from a place where the person making them is only earning $2 a day. Now the guy who use to work @ Red Cap is out of a job due to slumping sales & now works @ the mall making $7/Per.Hr as opposed to his former $15./Per.Hr

It's happening right in front of our eyes!
They (countries who abuse their workers) are using "best bang for your buck" false scenario to erode our way of living?
Do you think the owners of Snap On would pay the would pay the wages they do to North American workers if they could get away with paying less? By outsourcing to these low wage paying countries they are doing just that.

I just bought a new ratchet set from Grey Canada & I paid more for it than I could have by buying an imported tool, a tool that, might, have been able to do the Job just as good.
Is my Grey Canada ratchet set a good tool, YES.
Is it "the best bang for my buck", At first it does not appear to be, UNTILL I look at the big picture, Then It IS a WAY better bang for my buck ! ! !

Disagree all you want, but Wallmart(for themselves alone) has a fleet of massive cargo ships that are continuously running back & fourth from China to North America with the **** they sell there. They run here loaded & return empty, CONTINUOUSLY!
Every piece they bring over represents a job that is being ever so quietly taken away from your neighbours (or yourself).
After that happens, ask your hungry kids if that was really "THE BEST BANG FOR YOUR BUCK!!!

I will NEVER shop at a Wallmart for any reason. Even by buying your groceries there (many of which are locally produced) you help them make a profit. A profit that is being directly used to destroy our quality of life. It won't effect me as I will not be around long enough to see the affects. Our children on the other hand, will be completely screwed if we as a society don't see what's happening & do something to fix it QUICK!

SHOP LOCAL, BUY LOCAL ! ! ! ! !

Steve

P.S. Sorry for the affect/effect if I got them mixed up

 

[Justanoldguy]

Re: Dear Sears(5 years from now)

Are you the official police on this statements misuse?

We are just here talking about "Made in America".
This fitted, so only wanted a reason why. Is that so bad??
If you noticed it before then it must have hit a nerve.
Do you have an answer or are you just trying to be the police of the police...

 

[Free Willie]

Re: Dear Sears(5 years from now)

This is definitely a hard topic to deal with for some.
The issue is all about standards of living. Some will say "what" we are talking tools.
If all you want is "the best bang for your buck" then you need to understand that your saying that it's OK to lower your standard of living. This is not disputable whatsoever! Take China, they can produce tools cheaper than we can here, simply because the people who make them are getting WAY less that the people making tools here are. Yes I know the quality of their steel argument. That aside, even where the same quality steel is used, that steel is produced by people making WAY less than the people here who make steel do.
Is there anyone who can't see the pattern here?

If we are willing to continue to shop in this manner we will be saying "it's ok to pay people less for doing that job". By doing this, we as consumers are saying that the guy who lives down the street who works at the steel plant should have his wages cut. This attitude has a waterfall affect that well eventually effect all of us.
The steel worker looses his job @ $25/Per.Hr & is now working at Wallmart (you know, that wonderful company providing jobs for us North Americans) for $10 Per/Hr. Now he can no longer afford to buy cloths from Red Cap or Duluth & must resort to buying clothes imported from a place where the person making them is only earning $2 a day. Now the guy who use to work @ Red Cap is out of a job due to slumping sales & now works @ the mall making $7/Per.Hr as opposed to his former $15./Per.Hr

It's happening right in front of our eyes!
They (countries who abuse their workers) are using "best bang for your buck" false scenario to erode our way of living?
Do you think the owners of Snap On would pay the would pay the wages they do to North American workers if they could get away with paying less? By outsourcing to these low wage paying countries they are doing just that.

I just bought a new ratchet set from Grey Canada & I paid more for it than I could have by buying an imported tool, a tool that, might, have been able to do the Job just as good.
Is my Grey Canada ratchet set a good tool, YES.
Is it "the best bang for my buck", At first it does not appear to be, UNTILL I look at the big picture, Then It IS a WAY better bang for my buck ! ! !

Disagree all you want, but Wallmart(for themselves alone) has a fleet of massive cargo ships that are continuously running back & fourth from China to North America with the **** they sell there. They run here loaded & return empty, CONTINUOUSLY!
Every piece they bring over represents a job that is being ever so quietly taken away from your neighbours (or yourself).
After that happens, ask your hungry kids if that was really "THE BEST BANG FOR YOUR BUCK!!!

I will NEVER shop at a Wallmart for any reason. Even by buying your groceries there (many of which are locally produced) you help them make a profit. A profit that is being directly used to destroy our quality of life. It won't effect me as I will not be around long enough to see the affects. Our children on the other hand, will be completely screwed if we as a society don't see what's happening & do something to fix it QUICK!

SHOP LOCAL, BUY LOCAL ! ! ! ! !

Steve

P.S. Sorry for the affect/effect if I got them mixed up

Exactly!! I wish I could put it into words like that.
The only people who benefit from that kind of "Global Economy" are people who make money with money, not people who make money by making things or providing services (labor).
You don't have to buy American, just don't support countries with your dollar that want to cut your throat.

 

[mmack66]

Re: Dear Sears(5 years from now)

This is definitely a hard topic to deal with for some.
The issue is all about standards of living. Some will say "what" we are talking tools.
If all you want is "the best bang for your buck" then you need to understand that your saying that it's OK to lower your standard of living. This is not disputable whatsoever! Take China, they can produce tools cheaper than we can here, simply because the people who make them are getting WAY less that the people making tools here are. Yes I know the quality of their steel argument. That aside, even where the same quality steel is used, that steel is produced by people making WAY less than the people here who make steel do.
Is there anyone who can't see the pattern here?

If we are willing to continue to shop in this manner we will be saying "it's ok to pay people less for doing that job". By doing this, we as consumers are saying that the guy who lives down the street who works at the steel plant should have his wages cut. This attitude has a waterfall affect that well eventually effect all of us.
The steel worker looses his job @ $25/Per.Hr & is now working at Wallmart (you know, that wonderful company providing jobs for us North Americans) for $10 Per/Hr. Now he can no longer afford to buy cloths from Red Cap or Duluth & must resort to buying clothes imported from a place where the person making them is only earning $2 a day. Now the guy who use to work @ Red Cap is out of a job due to slumping sales & now works @ the mall making $7/Per.Hr as opposed to his former $15./Per.Hr

It's happening right in front of our eyes!
They (countries who abuse their workers) are using "best bang for your buck" false scenario to erode our way of living?
Do you think the owners of Snap On would pay the would pay the wages they do to North American workers if they could get away with paying less? By outsourcing to these low wage paying countries they are doing just that.

I just bought a new ratchet set from Grey Canada & I paid more for it than I could have by buying an imported tool, a tool that, might, have been able to do the Job just as good.
Is my Grey Canada ratchet set a good tool, YES.
Is it "the best bang for my buck", At first it does not appear to be, UNTILL I look at the big picture, Then It IS a WAY better bang for my buck ! ! !

Disagree all you want, but Wallmart(for themselves alone) has a fleet of massive cargo ships that are continuously running back & fourth from China to North America with the **** they sell there. They run here loaded & return empty, CONTINUOUSLY!
Every piece they bring over represents a job that is being ever so quietly taken away from your neighbours (or yourself).
After that happens, ask your hungry kids if that was really "THE BEST BANG FOR YOUR BUCK!!!

I will NEVER shop at a Wallmart for any reason. Even by buying your groceries there (many of which are locally produced) you help them make a profit. A profit that is being directly used to destroy our quality of life. It won't effect me as I will not be around long enough to see the affects. Our children on the other hand, will be completely screwed if we as a society don't see what's happening & do something to fix it QUICK!

SHOP LOCAL, BUY LOCAL ! ! ! ! !

Steve

P.S. Sorry for the affect/effect if I got them mixed up

I don't get it. Is "best bang for your buck" good or bad? Because within your rant it is both. What happens if Snap-On is the best bang for my buck? How does that fit into your lowering my standard of living theory?