Deceiving eBay Seller

[gdocktor3]

The title of auction - 50 PACK LEFT HAND BLACK & GOLD HIGH SPEED STEEL DRILL BITS 1/16" USA

Brand - USA

What's in the description - Made by Neiko Tools USA

For those who do not know, Neiko Tools are generally junk and not made in the USA.
Although, if they work it may not be that bad of a deal...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/50-PACK-LEF...882089?hash=item462172cba9:g:0ccAAOxyAbxTk~4D

 

[zendriver]

The title of auction - 50 PACK LEFT HAND BLACK & GOLD HIGH SPEED STEEL DRILL BITS 1/16" USA

Brand - USA

What's in the description - Made by Neiko Tools USA

For those who do not know, Neiko Tools are generally junk and not made in the USA.
Although, if they work it may not be that bad of a deal...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/50-PACK-LEF...882089?hash=item462172cba9:g:0ccAAOxyAbxTk~4D

LOL maybe their lawyers wrote the ad.

Since it hair-splitting time, technically what they stated was correct, since it didn't say the drills were "made in USA".

Most people could probably care less, since 50 drills for $18 is not a bad price, wherever they came from and they most likely concur they are NOT made in the USA.

 

[KnurledNut]

I find it especially deceiving stamped on the wrenches...

 

[T45]

wow, that stamp is BS...

 

[bryan750]

There ought to be a law.

 

[pstemari]

I was pleasantly surprised to get some Neiko diamond drills that did a great job on some glass-reinforced plastic (GPO3) that instantly destroyed steel tools.

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[Leaflessshadetree]

A lot of companies have different divisions or child companies throughout the world. Pretty common to include the area they serve or are located in as part of the name for that division.

 

[TK-421]

It's not the seller that's deceiving, it's the company who makes the tools.

 

[Loscaldazar]

A lot of companies have different divisions or child companies throughout the world. Pretty common to include the area they serve or are located in as part of the name for that division.

Yes, but stamping your tools with USA is a bit deceptive. IIRC correctly, they were actually forced to change those stampings to just "Neiko Tools." Plenty of old photos still floating around though.

 

[NitroSun]

They're 36 cents each. If that's the biggest problem you can find in this world, you're doing ok.

 

[Ign]

I once knew a girl named Tuesday. She wasn't born on a Tuesday. Blasphemy.

The Colorado School of Mines doesn't really teach anything about mining, and Fort Lewis College doesn't teach fort building techniques (much less from an instructor named Lewis).

In all seriousness, someone beat you to it 10 years ago:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5842

and 5 years ago:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=93022

edit: the former has a good point about a lot of Sam's Club products. Even now 10 years later I'm using their LED Lights of America but I know they're not made here.

 

[bsaint]

I once knew a girl named Tuesday. She wasn't born on a Tuesday. Blasphemy.

The Colorado School of Mines doesn't really teach anything about mining, and Fort Lewis College doesn't teach fort building techniques (much less from an instructor named Lewis).

In all seriousness, someone beat you to it 10 years ago:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5842

and 5 years ago:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=93022

edit: the former has a good point about a lot of Sam's Club products. Even now 10 years later I'm using their LED Lights of America but I know they're not made here.

http://mining.mines.edu/

 

[KnurledNut]

http://mining.mines.edu/

Thanks for the clarification bsaint.
Now, back to the regularly scheduled program...

 

[McLean]

I was shopping for some silicon hoses recently and noticed some of the titles also had "USA" in them despite clearly being cheap chinese products.

I think that SOMETIMES they are using that to indicate that it is in stock in the US and not on the slow boat from China. Or they're just trying to make a buck off my ignorance...

 

[Ign]

HF has Pittsburgh (hah), Central Machinery (clearly meant to conjure visions of the Midwest or perhaps the NE machinery belt) and Central Pneumatic and Chicago Electric - an unethical play on words to confuse people with the original Chicago Pneumatic.

The best thing you can do as a consumer is be alert and Buyer Beware. You've got a long, unnecessarily difficult life ahead of you any other way.

 

[tool_scrounge]

Central Machinery (clearly meant to conjure visions of the Midwest or perhaps the NE machinery belt

Actually Central Machinery made what was originally Wysong and Miles industrial woodworking equipment.

A lot of these companies pickup languishing names of old companies and try to ride on their original reputations. Look at the low grade "buffalo" drill presses compared to the originals.

 

[Ign]

Actually Central Machinery made what was originally Wysong and Miles industrial woodworking equipment.

A lot of these companies pickup languishing names of old companies and try to ride on their original reputations. Look at the low grade "buffalo" drill presses compared to the originals.

Ah! I wouldn't know a damn thing about woodworking tools. But that makes me think of Skil and Rockwell - once quality brands that have "sold out" many would say. Hell even SPI has little to do with "Swiss" or "Precision" these days. And Fowler is worse yet.

 

[owenst7]

I was shopping for some silicon hoses recently and noticed some of the titles also had "USA" in them despite clearly being cheap chinese products.

I think that SOMETIMES they are using that to indicate that it is in stock in the US and not on the slow boat from China. Or they're just trying to make a buck off my ignorance...

Are you building some kind of supercomputer?

Wouldn't they be pipes?

 

[DeliveryGuy]

There ought to be a law.

Canada does have laws against this sort of thing. You can look up the Product of Canada, and, Made In Canada enforcement guidelines on the Competition Bureau. It would be illegal for a Canadian company to stamp Canada into their import tools as Neiko has done with USA.

3.1.3 Proof of Deception Not Required

Subsections 52(1.1) and 74.03(4) of the CA (CA=Competition Act) clarify that it is not necessary to prove that anyone was actually deceived or misled in order to prove that a representation has contravened the provisions for criminal or civil false or misleading representations in the CA.

 

[McLean]

Are you building some kind of supercomputer?

Wouldn't they be pipes?

DAMNIT! I'm slow.

 

[BDT/NWMN]

Wonder what the ratio is between the not give a **** group and those of us who put that name on the **** list when looking at their sales gimmicks and product brandings?

 

[1982fxr]

**** list

1. Neiko tools

 

[outdoorspace]

I think that SOMETIMES they are using that to indicate that it is in stock in the US and not on the slow boat from China. Or they're just trying to make a buck off my ignorance...

Bit of both. Most people would rather not deal with exporters based on China and Hong Kong as they are difficult to deal with in the event of an item not received (INR) or not as described (NASD) case let alone for returns/exchanges.

Either way, eBay already provides a search filter for item location and putting 'USA' in the title can be misleading.

 

[gdocktor3]

**** list

1. Neiko tools

tied Harbor Freight (with moving parts)

 

[gdocktor3]

Either way, eBay already provides a search filter for item location and putting 'USA' in the title can be misleading.

Misleading is an understatement. It is to intentionally deceive people. It is a sales tactic and it works. Have you ever read the Amazon reviews on certain items like this that state something along these lines - "item said USA in title, but it is clearly Chinese garbage." It's meant to lure people in like them who don't know any better.

 

[thesilverone]

its ebay

buyer beware

 

[thurman.]

That is very misleading. Not all tools from China are junk. But people need to know before they buy.


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[pi_guy]

How many people need 1/16th left handed drills? Who is going to need 50? If they were .125 1/8 there a tad more use. But then who in there right mind would use a questionable drill most likely to drill out a broken bolt where the application call for a left handed drill.
I guess if you figure that you had fifty so breaking one is not a big deal. Just the first time you break a drill in bolt or stud your trying to remove the cost factor has just changed.
Many years ago my dad got a pile of drills from somewhere. He gave me a bunch of them and trying to be a good son I tossed them in my collection of drills. What a pile of junk, every time I grabbed one it would dull instantly or in some cases start to untwist or bend. Most have been trashed for years but time to time they show up in old stuff hat had been my dads.