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Delta Drill Press Broken drive pulley

Stanley7

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If anyone is still looking for the motor pulley for the Delta DP 350 Drill Press I have a spare that I'm willing to give up. The spare is still in the box I received from Renovo. I also have one on the machine that I am scrapping.
 
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spf72

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I would like to buy the pulley if it is still available. I have tried a PM and to send my email and receive a message saying i haven't posted enough so i am hopeful you can send me a message or respond here.
Thanks
Steve
 

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This is my first post here, and I wanted to contribute to this thread with what I’ve learned in dealing with this same issue. I have a broken DP350 and the new Renovo part in hand. (After writing it out, I'm going to split it into two posts; one for repair and one comparing the two pulleys).

Some years ago, I thought my drive pulley had exploded, and found the Renovo part coming soon; but after checking back every few months, I gave up and forgot about it. I discovered the other day when cleaning bookmarks in my browser that the Renovo part is finally available, so I ordered one and took apart the stock one which had been sitting here in the unused drill press all that time.

When I took my old pulley apart, I realized that it hadn’t actually broken, but that the steel sleeve was simply floating in the top pulley and so the pulley came loose and was just oscillating randomly up there. The teeth are a little bit beat up, but I’m surprised it’s not in worse shape than it is.

I couldn’t find a way to re-fix that sleeve in place (nor see how it ever had been – I found no sign of a rolled pin), so I decided to drill and tap a hole for a ¼-20 set screw I had available. I was able to tap the hole, but I cracked the flange when I first tightened the setscrew, so be careful if you go this route. When I reassembled it and ran it through the range, the pulley came off the sleeve again; to make sure it would stay in place, I ended up drilling through the tapped hole, and drilled a locating dimple on the sleeve itself. I then repeated that on the opposite side with a second set screw.

To locate the sleeve, first move the belt out of the way, install the bottom pulley in place, then place the sleeve onto the shaft and let it slide down until it rides on the bottom pulley. Then slide the upper pulley down onto the bottom pulley making sure it meshes completely. The sleeve will sit proud of the top pulley by a quarter inch or so, and that’s the position it needs to be fixed – without some of the bushing protruding from the top, the tension spring will sit at angles. When adding set screws, you can drill and tap the set screws first, but DON'T drill locating dimples in the sleeve until you can assure that the position is correct, and the two pulley halves will mesh in that position.

After a bit of fine-tuning, and new set screws on opposite sides of the top pulley, mine is working again with repaired stock parts. If you have the same issue with a loose sleeve, I'd recommend trying this fix. The hardest part is ensuring the two pulley halves will align and mesh, once the pinned sleeve is fixed in place, and that just takes some patient fine tuning.

If your pulley is completely broken and is not repairable, the Renovo pulley may be your only option, and there's more info on that item below in the next post.
 

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itllgrowback

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As for the Renovo replacement part which is now available for $85 or so after shipping: there seem to be a number of issues with it – but perhaps not insurmountable ones. I’ll try to outline them carefully here.

The order page notes that the pulley is ¼” smaller than original, and ordering confirms your acceptance of this variation. In fact, the new pulley is a full half inch smaller in diameter; 4.61” vs 4.13” (117mm vs 105mm). As shown in photos below, the difference is .26” in radius, not diameter.

I assumed that would simply alter the range of speed at a ratio, but in fact it means that you can no longer run through the range without locking the pulley closed and throwing the belt. I’ll demonstrate how below:

When the speed increases, the motor pulley enlarges (closes down) relative to the spindle pulley, and as the belt reaches the pulley’s outer diameter, it will in fact ride out past the outer circumference of the pulley rather than staying within the two halves. Once it has reached that point, it is stuck out there; the two pulley halves fit together so closely that the gap is too narrow for the belt to re-enter. Adjusting the speed back down will not allow the pulley to re-spread nor let the belt back in between the two halves. This happened while I watched, and was able to shut it down before the belt came off. But the only thing it can do from that point is come off.

To remedy this, you could perhaps use a shorter belt. I haven’t tried that and doubt I will, but I suspect one could. I’m not sure what the end result would be in ratios or speed range. You could perhaps add a spacer sleeve in between the two pulley halves just tall enough to keep the two halves apart a bit wider (which would still necessitate a shorter belt). At any rate, without doing something, there’s nothing keeping the pulley from locking in this position once reaching that point in the speed range – ¾ of the range or so. I’ve added a photo below where you can see what happens when the Renovo pulley reaches its limit (I had already taken the spring and cap back off when I took the photo).

The second issue is that the new pulley has a very different stack height, and the lower half of it sits almost twice the distance from the bottom to the pulley edge than the stock pulley does. The old pulley is approximately 17mm from the bottom edge to the lip; the new pulley is 30mm. The fact that it sits much higher means that the belt will never be in alignment; the motor pulley will always be higher than the spindle pulley and I suspect that’s not going to work well over time.

One thing I found is that the stock pulley stack sits on a spring clip which itself sits about an inch off the motor; removing that spring clip lets you sit the Renovo stack down lower, and then use the setscrews to hold it in position. That’s what I did in my test run above. The drawback to that is that if the setscrews loosen over time, that pulley would then slip down and ride directly on top of the cap of the motor itself where the shaft comes out – so the alignment would again be wrong, and the pulley would be riding directly on the motor housing. If you go this route, I would at least add two washers of some type that would allow a rotational buffer between the pulley and the motor housing in case the set screws loosen over time. [EDIT: Also, you would lose spring tension from above, as the pulley stack slips down the shaft - it's just all bad if those lower set screws don't hold]

The third observation is actually the first you’ll notice with them in hand: the weight difference between stock and replacement is significant. The stock pulley feels so much more solid than the Renovo replacement, and in fact it is: 8.2 oz for the replacement, 20.2 oz for the stock pulley. The pot metal they made this replacement out of is much lighter and presumably weaker than stock. (I’ll call it pot metal; I don’t know if it’s powdered magnesium or what).

The last thing I’ll note about the new pulley is that it uses no hardened sleeves; the keyway and bore are all just cast in that same lightweight material, so all the sliding wear action is happening on the one-piece pot metal pulley; at least the stock pulley uses a steel bushing on the sliding half.

So, I've added photos below showing some dimensions and info. Hopefully this helps you decide what to do with yours.
 

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M1SF1T

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I'm on the 2nd repair of my DP350 drill press, same problems as other have noted, I'm still using the original pulley. But my problem now is that the circlip/retaining ring failed and the spring/cap shot off the shaft while I was working. I can't find the old retaining ring...

Delta p/n 904160 of course doesn't exist anymore... can anyone provide what size/spec I should source as an alternative that will fit and get my DP back together? I admit, I've never gone retaining ring shopping and just don't know how they are sized.

Thanks.
 
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M1SF1T

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Thanks for that.

That's the one... I thought I checked that site earlier and I must have missed it... shipping is killer though... almost $50USD all told to get it... what happened to envelopes and stamps?

I guess you noticed where I am... thanks for the PA link... looks like my local shop has a 300 piece set for $4.99... something's bound to fit I hope.

Cheers.
 

PoorUB

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Yeah, they are too strict IMO
No off shore is one thing, No problem there,
But I mentioned In Passing, since I got a powermatic sander, I May restore the delta, and sell it.
Right away, I get a PM,
"That HAS TO GO IN BOYD"
I have been on OWWM for years and no issues. But yea, no imports, and twenty years old or more. There is a huge amount of members that think twenty years old is too new! They like the turn of the century hardware, not 1999-2000 but 1899-1900!
 

david3921

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Just thinking here. There a few Chinese drill presses that have variable speed. I'm sure that the designs were copied. Wen has a few models starting with the 4214, 12". I downloaded the manual and, sure enough, the pulleys look the same. If someone still needs one, maybe it can be found here.


I found 3 on the Wen website. Oddly, they are listed under model 4212. I don't know anything about these presses so I'm not sure if these would fit.
 
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