Ksullivan
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While at lowes today I saw the made in USA sticker on a combo pack of 20v lithium ion drill and impact gun. Interesting that it's made in USA now I wonder if they are bringing more production back stateside
Dewalt 20v made in USA?!
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Trey T
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awesome. I hope more manufacturing of tools come back to the States
woody 73
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Sometimes I get confused so someone help me out. Does "BUILT IN THE USA" mean that the parts came from China and were sent over for the USA workers to build them?
As opposed too the word "MADE IN THE USA" from start to finish.
As opposed too the word "MADE IN THE USA" from start to finish.
lotsoftools
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I think you're right on that.
woody 73
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So big old Dewalt thinks the American Flag will do the trick in order to sell more tools...by using "Built in the USA"; so people will buy it thinking it is all USA. If you live long enough you will see everything.
Gee.
I remember a thread where some people gave me **** because I called out DeWalt on their trying to fool people into believing that they were making stuff in the USA.
Here's a guy who got fooled, yeah?
So, OP...DeWalt has made it so a few people here in the states get low-paying, crappy, disposable jobs assembling these. The parts are made in China and shipped here. An American puts the Chinese parts in the Chinese tool, puts Chinese screws in it to hold it together, and that's it. These tools are made in China, but DeWalt is putting American flag colors and "USA" in a big font on the front to confuse you. They have to say "Built in the USA," which actually means nothing and has no requirements attached to it, because they can't say "Made in the USA" without getting fined by the government.
All of this is done for the sole purpose of fooling you into thinking it is an American tool so that you will happily pay a little extra for it instead of buying something else of comparable quality from a company that is more honest about where that tool comes from. This is a dirty, disgusting, shady, sketchy business practice designed to take advantage of US patriotism.
I remember a thread where some people gave me **** because I called out DeWalt on their trying to fool people into believing that they were making stuff in the USA.
Here's a guy who got fooled, yeah?
So, OP...DeWalt has made it so a few people here in the states get low-paying, crappy, disposable jobs assembling these. The parts are made in China and shipped here. An American puts the Chinese parts in the Chinese tool, puts Chinese screws in it to hold it together, and that's it. These tools are made in China, but DeWalt is putting American flag colors and "USA" in a big font on the front to confuse you. They have to say "Built in the USA," which actually means nothing and has no requirements attached to it, because they can't say "Made in the USA" without getting fined by the government.
All of this is done for the sole purpose of fooling you into thinking it is an American tool so that you will happily pay a little extra for it instead of buying something else of comparable quality from a company that is more honest about where that tool comes from. This is a dirty, disgusting, shady, sketchy business practice designed to take advantage of US patriotism.
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purplezr2
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The reality is that most things aren't 100% made in the USA they will have local, US and globally sourced componet, and at the same time there are lots of "chinese" product that have USA made content.
I have worked for several companies that build/assembly products in the USA, and what I said about is true for all of them.
bigdummy30
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I do appliances and the " built in the USA " is the newest thing with them too.
America or USA is typically really big while the " built" is much smaller.Its better than nothing but still misleading.
America or USA is typically really big while the " built" is much smaller.Its better than nothing but still misleading.
jacob_coulter
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I'll take it, and I think it should be applauded. There's just no pleasing some people.
Directly from FTC website:
http://business.ftc.gov/documents/bus03-complying-made-usa-standard
Assembled in USA Claims
A product that includes foreign components may be called "Assembled in USA" without qualification when its principal assembly takes place in the U.S. and the assembly is substantial. For the "assembly" claim to be valid, the product’s last "substantial transformation" also should have occurred in the U.S. That’s why a "screwdriver" assembly in the U.S. of foreign components into a final product at the end of the manufacturing process doesn’t usually qualify for the "Assembled in USA" claim.
Example: A lawn mower, composed of all domestic parts except for the cable sheathing, flywheel, wheel rims and air filter (15 to 20 percent foreign content) is assembled in the U.S. An "Assembled in USA" claim is appropriate.
Example: All the major components of a computer, including the motherboard and hard drive, are imported. The computer’s components then are put together in a simple "screwdriver" operation in the U.S., are not substantially transformed under the Customs Standard, and must be marked with a foreign country of origin. An "Assembled in U.S." claim without further qualification is deceptive.
http://business.ftc.gov/documents/bus03-complying-made-usa-standard
Assembled in USA Claims
A product that includes foreign components may be called "Assembled in USA" without qualification when its principal assembly takes place in the U.S. and the assembly is substantial. For the "assembly" claim to be valid, the product’s last "substantial transformation" also should have occurred in the U.S. That’s why a "screwdriver" assembly in the U.S. of foreign components into a final product at the end of the manufacturing process doesn’t usually qualify for the "Assembled in USA" claim.
Example: A lawn mower, composed of all domestic parts except for the cable sheathing, flywheel, wheel rims and air filter (15 to 20 percent foreign content) is assembled in the U.S. An "Assembled in USA" claim is appropriate.
Example: All the major components of a computer, including the motherboard and hard drive, are imported. The computer’s components then are put together in a simple "screwdriver" operation in the U.S., are not substantially transformed under the Customs Standard, and must be marked with a foreign country of origin. An "Assembled in U.S." claim without further qualification is deceptive.
Banjorear
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Aw, jeez. Not this same old **** again. C'mon, bro. Back in down a notch. One more US job is better than none in my book.
I don't see Milwaukee proudly displaying MADE IN CHINA with a Chinese flag on the side. That sure wouldn't be good for business now would it?
They haven't hit the stores by me yet, but I am going to seek these out.
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Farmall450
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Farmall450
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It beats them on welfare where we have to pay for them?
bsaint
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So would you rather keep some USA employees employed or disregard everything and buy an entirely foreign manufactured drill?
I don't think anyone anymore is assuming the components are made in the United States.
woody 73
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I want companies to be honest leave off the flag and don't get fancy with "New Wording" designed to fool some people into thinking it was an all USA product.
Banjorear
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Fancy wording? Maybe there is an overall reading comprehension issue vs. an issue with their business practices.
It says, "Built in the USA". You can clearly read the wording in the picture that says built with global components.
This is a moot point. Everyone who is flag waving and pounding their chest b/c they drive American cars, well you need to look a little past the blue oval or the bowtie.
American cars are built using globally sourced parts. Harley Davidson-built with globally sourced parts.
The point is, they are made by American workers. Just like these DeWalt tools.
I also believe that those crying foul would also be the first to ***** and scream if DeWalt made the entire tool in the USA and then doubled the price of the tool.
Also, becareful of throwing stones when living in a glass house.
If you've ever shopped at Walmart then you have no right to gripe about DeWalt bringing some of their assembly process back to the US.
Fellas, way I look at it, it's a step in the right direction. If you don't like it, buy another company's product made in China and send your money to these exploited workers.
All boils down to it being your money, your choice. Spend it how you choose.
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Farmall450
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I see it as the being of a trend that should be encouraged. If it is successful their competitors will try to copy/top them and we will have the pendulum swinging the right way.
One small step.
I forgot to add this. You fellow made-in-America types should check out the "Blue Laces Project" on Kickstarter. Just do a search for it.
One small step.
I forgot to add this. You fellow made-in-America types should check out the "Blue Laces Project" on Kickstarter. Just do a search for it.
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kngelv
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You mean sort of like having a tool line named after a city like Milwaukee? Should they change the name to Shanghai?
James
purplezr2
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Is it really ****, I have had my milwaukee M18 stuff for three years and its been flawless and it gets used quite a bit.
Jeff95TA
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I just bought a 20V Li-Ion brushless DeWalt impact driver that I love. I'm open to your suggestions for an alternative.
MattPersman
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I love how many posts have people claiming everything should be USA and when dewalt does what they can, a step in the right direction, people act like its wrong, deceptive and not good enough
Banjorear
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I was having a discussion a while back at work. My friend was telling me that is common.
Different sources so that nobody (the workers) knows what the final product is.
Then assembled in a common place.
Banjorear
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All of this is done for the sole purpose of fooling you into thinking it is an American tool so that you will happily pay a little extra for it instead of buying something else of comparable quality from a company that is more honest about where that tool comes from. This is a dirty, disgusting, shady, sketchy business practice designed to take advantage of US patriotism.[/QUOTE]
I believe they are selling them for the same price as the COO stuff. OP, can you confirm or would you be willing to tell us what you paid for this set?
I believe they are selling them for the same price as the COO stuff. OP, can you confirm or would you be willing to tell us what you paid for this set?
Fordman7795
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I believe they are selling them for the same price as the COO stuff. OP, can you confirm or would you be willing to tell us what you paid for this set?[/QUOTE]
COO stands for country of origin
Banjorear
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purplezr2
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I doubt the reason they use different factories is to keep the workers in the dark, if you really believe that you need to remove your tin hat.
My friend's quote, not mine
I would want to give these USA ones a chance, but my experience with 20v Dewalt is, buy M18. Made in china by non-exploited workers (some chinese people actually make a decent wage in a factory, it's true). The dewalt and milwaukee both start out working just fine, but dewalt 20v is not a marathoner. Seen enough batteries replaced under warranty, their BL tools especially the motors seize up like crazy, and even with a perfectly running dewalt drill, the overload protection is annoying as ****.
If the built in USA ones are going to fix all that, so be it. I hope they do. But if it's going to be the same **** just assembled here instead of elsewhere, honestly I can't say I'd be all that excited. Sure it's an american job and that's great, but nobody here is going to quit their current job and assemble drills for Dewalt are they? There can't be that much pride inside that box. Everybody needs to take it down several notches.
skeletonizer
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^^^This is why I bought a Motorola Moto X, assembled (or built, as it were) in Texas. The only other option was 100% foreign made.
^^^ I also agree with this. Buyers should educate themselves though.
Banjorear
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I understand what you are saying, but I don't agree. I'm going to walk away from this thread, so I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
I don't think anyone here said they are going to quit their jobs in order to jump on DeWalt's assembly line. I beleive the point that others, with the same mindset like mine, are saying is one more American working is better than none.
That's all. No more, no less.
I guess that's why there is more than one brand of cars, jeans, ceral, etc. Personal choice. Buy Milwaukee if you like or buy DeWalt. Your choice.
I think I'll be buying DeWalt if it means I'll be keeping a few of my US dollars here vs. in the PRC.
I would also like to see what you consider a "decent wage" is in China. I think you'll be shocked on what that actually means.
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