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Diagonal cutters, snap on or channellock?

HandyManny

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I like Klein, Knipex and Channellock. I own and use all three. I was given a brand new pair of Proto diagonal cutters along with Proto linesman pliers. They are, without a doubt, the worst I have ever used. The Proto diagonals are beyond stiff and do a crappy job of cutting. I had to cut 28 zip ties in a machine panel and only had the Proto's. I had to use two hands to open and close them. It felt like I was using hedge trimmers. Utter junk. I'm fine with their wrenches, ratchets and sockets, but these cutters are ridiculously bad. Stay far away.

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I absolutely love Proto when it comes to things like wrenches, ratchets, and sockets. I do agree with you 100% about their pliers. The few pliers from Proto I've owned and used sucked big time. I thought the teeth were way too soft and damaged easily on the slip-joints and the dykes cutters were dull and cut terrible, also as you said overall stiff as a plier. Could have had a better tool by purchasing an Asian made Stanley pliers from walmart.

You can't beat Channellock or Knipex when it comes to pliers, both are the best. I even stay away from Kliens anymore, they're just not worth the price.
 
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I honestly don't think I've ever found a need to warranty any diagonal cutter, even after years of working as an industrial electrician. Seems they always walked off long before they wore out :sad: :dunno:
 

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Depends on what you're cutting. I like knipex a little more than my snap-ons, but I use them for cutting stainless safety wire. It saying USA on it will not effect the performance of the tool, I SWEAR!

No, but "it saying USA on it" will affect jobs in this country and our economy, I SWEAR!

A lot us us try to purchase U.S.A. products as an investment in our futures. :beer:
 

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I'll have to dig out my set of diag cutters from the shed tomorrow. I picked up this pair while working in telecommunications. They're some european company I've never heard fo before or since, but they are the best I've ever used. Of course it depends on what you're cutting.
 

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I like Klein, Knipex and Channellock. I own and use all three. I was given a brand new pair of Proto diagonal cutters along with Proto linesman pliers. They are, without a doubt, the worst I have ever used. The Proto diagonals are beyond stiff and do a crappy job of cutting. I had to cut 28 zip ties in a machine panel and only had the Proto's. I had to use two hands to open and close them. It felt like I was using hedge trimmers. Utter junk. I'm fine with their wrenches, ratchets and sockets, but these cutters are ridiculously bad. Stay far away.

James

Interesting. This is the problem I've had with Channellock and Klein. I find both to be way too tight when new. I much prefer the decades old Klein linesman pliers I got at a garage sale for a buck over my new ones.
But with both, the jaws tend to lose alignment as they break in and loosen. I've found this to be especially the case for Channellock diagonals. Once they lose alignment, they no longer cut finer stringy things (like the hairy nylon packing between wires in some SO cords).

My Knipex linesman pliers (I don't have their diagonal cutters), easily fall open if you hold one handle, but still close perfectly aligned. They are truly fantastic, and a pleasure to use, and the cutting faces are so well aligned that they even cut fine kevlar stings (now that is a serious test).

I can say the good same things about my Proto diagonals, BUT, my experience with most diagonal cutters has been hit and miss. There is a need for much precision in a good pair, but they are often made with a lot of hand grinding. The results seem to vary a lot from one pair to the next.
 

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That is the problem I had with the Snap-On PWC-7, they were so tight I never gave them a chance.
 

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I just got back from sears, I had decided to get the 8" knnipex ones for $22 but then I saw they had 10" ones, so i got those for $35, they look really good quality and i know will com in handy for hard to reach spots, i struggled sometimes with the 8" blue points I had. overall I'm happy with them so far, we'll see once I start using them. I tried to post some pictures but couldnt figure out how to do it, it says theyre too big....:sad:

You did good. These are the ones I would recommend and they are available at my local Sears and Lowes.
 

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The only Snap-On side cutters I really like are these:

http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item...roup_ID=675121&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog

http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item...roup_ID=675123&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog

Most of their other ones I don't care for, but these are excellent high leverage and long reach cutters and are my day in and day out cutters. They are tough and don't get sloppy at the joint. The extra long ones have incredible cutting power and strength.

Those are the EXACT ones I own from Snap On. I did not buy any others because I already own a similar Channellock tool. These will cut through just about ANYTHING within reason of course. I highly recommend both. Although the op opted for Knipex. Cant go wrong there either. If anything look into the long reach to compliment what you have.
 

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I dont think all proto cutters are bad. I got their 11" long reach cutting pliers an i luv those things
 

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Nice! you even bought the proper handled ones, not those soppy cushion grip handles. A+ from me :thumbup:
 
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Still haven't needed them at work so I cut up the package they came in to try them out, hahaha, cut it like butter, I didn't have to put any pressure on them. Also I forgot to say, the guy at sears told me they warranty them in store just like anything craftsman, he said they use these to fill in for their professional series tools, I was really happy about this, that was the only thing that I was worried about with knipex.
 

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Knipex>Klein>Channelock. The Knipex pair in the pic by Motor Mechanic would be my choice. Do not know about Knipex warranty though.
 

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So, you either pay someone to make about 3284903284903284293 sets of pliers, or you pay someone to import the exact same amount...........
It's a toss up either way.
Oh, and my original comment was to someone who said something about the snap-on ones not saying made in USA, despite still being made in the USA. Who gives a rats *** what it says on the tool? It was not a COO problem, it was a tool marking problem.
 

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So, you either pay someone to make about 3284903284903284293 sets of pliers, or you pay someone to import the exact same amount...........
It's a toss up either way.
Oh, and my original comment was to someone who said something about the snap-on ones not saying made in USA, despite still being made in the USA. Who gives a rats *** what it says on the tool? It was not a COO problem, it was a tool marking problem.

Yes but the quality has slipped a bit also, that was my point not that it somehow matters what it says on the tool. I apologize for not being clear about what I was trying to say.
 

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I own Snap On and Channellock. The Snap On cut through ANYTHING. The grips are much more comfortable if you use them a lot.
Funny I own and have used both, a lot as a matter of fact and I honestly can't see anything superior about the SnapOn's? In fact, I feel like my ChannelLocks stayed sharper, longer. As for Knipex, from the tools I have from them they make some nice tools and have some really cool designs that blow away typical American tools like their Plyers Wrench and Cobra pliers but I don't see anything all that special about thier "dykes" (that's what we all call them)

I suggest you save your money and get the ChannelLocks. They are just as good if not better then anything else out there, made in the USA and priced the best. That's my $.02 on it
 

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Thata a good point, have any of you guys had to warranty knipex?

I have warrantied knipex pliers on the MATCO truck once (Knipex pliers with Matco eagle) I have warrantied Knipex Pliers on Snap On truck twice. (one plier had a Snap On "S" the other Knipex Plier was marked "Lawson"). I was told by my Snap On, Cornwell, and MATCO tool dealer that they would warranty any Knipex Plier no matter what other brand was stamped on it. My MAC Tools dealer no longer stops by the job so I'm not sure about MAC TOOLS. All pliers had worn teath. I have never warrantied my Channellock pliers in over 20 years. (Dia cutters, Grove pliers, reg pliers) Get the Channellocks.
 

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Here are my Channellock dia. cutters. I bought them in 1988-1989. Still cutting perfectly. I've cut coins, screws, bolts, sheet metal and I have never dressed or sharpened them. My only Dia cutters of this size..My go to cutters.
 

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Here are some of my very used Knipex pliers. I've had to warranty my Knipex a few times. The teeth keep breaking away. I will say though that I use the Knipex like a pipe wrench...Very handy.
 

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I have both channellock and SO. The snappy is definitely better imo but the channellocks are great for the money. I use the channellocks most the time for the rough beater work and save the SO for tougher stuff.
 

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My Snap On USA pliers bought in 1989. 1989 date code. My go to pliers. I have a newer version of these pliers that have a fatter grip on them. The grove pliers are Channellock branded MAC. The MAC pliers I bought in 1991. The only pliers I've ever warrantied were Craftsmans (just to get a new pair before everthing is made in China), and Knipex for broken teeth. I would go with the Channellock dia cutters.
 

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Only on this site a topic go one for 2 more pages after the OP made his decision.

Hahaha, its ok, it might be helpful to other people in the same situation, just for the record I did check out the channellock too and they would probably be the most bang for ur buck, but I had to have the knipex
 

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Thata a good point, have any of you guys had to warranty knipex?

I've warrantied the 10" twice and they made good both times. I had to ship them in on my dime. Each time the very tip of the cutter chipped, a somewhat common problem I recall reading here. They are pretty good cutters but nowhere near the same class as the Snap-on 388CF. Honestly, the Klein J2000 are better than the Knipex. And I say that having used both extensively, not just as some Klein fanboy. Klein pliers are pretty hard to beat even if the screwdrivers are no longer durable.
 

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Still haven't needed them at work so I cut up the package they came in to try them out, hahaha, cut it like butter, I didn't have to put any pressure on them. Also I forgot to say, the guy at sears told me they warranty them in store just like anything craftsman, he said they use these to fill in for their professional series tools, I was really happy about this, that was the only thing that I was worried about with knipex.

That is really good to know. I wonder if they will swap out a Craftsman Professional **** for the Knipex.
 

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Did you try any of the dual action Crescents?

Yea, I actually checked them out, they seem pretty good but the big grips on them didn't convince me, I have to cut in really tight places sometimes and idk if those would be able to do it, I thought they would be chinese but theyre actually taiwan.
 
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That is really good to know. I wonder if they will swap out a Craftsman Professional **** for the Knipex.

From what that guy said, they might do it, I think you would need to find somebody in the store that knows what theyre doing as far as tools, they guy I talked to seems to really know what he's talking about, I've bought tools from him 3 or 4 times.
 

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From what that guy said, they might do it, I think you would need to find somebody in the store that knows what theyre doing as far as tools, they guy I talked to seems to really know what he's talking about, I've bought tools from him 3 or 4 times.

This is 100% true I tried taking back a set of Chinese crowsfoot and flare nut wrenches to get store credit. The 2 guys at the register didn't know what either one even was and told me they couldn't do that. They told me to call Customer Service. Customer Service said try again because its apart of the warranty. The guy at the counter this time said yeah no problem these Chinese tools are complete **** I've seen nothing but problems with them.
 

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I bought the crecent diagonals based on the recommendation in this thread. I already have knipex but what can I say, I am tool fool. I did notice they cut easier than the Knipex for sure and seem really smooth. The jaws line up perfectly also with no light coming through. All in all I really like them... only time will tell on longevity though.
 

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I bought the crecent diagonals based on the recommendation in this thread. I already have knipex but what can I say, I am tool fool. I did notice they cut easier than the Knipex for sure and seem really smooth. The jaws line up perfectly also with no light coming through. All in all I really like them... only time will tell on longevity though.

Did you mean Channellock? I don't recall anyone at GJ recommending crescent anything these days.
 

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Did you mean Channellock? I don't recall anyone at GJ recommending crescent anything these days.

He meant Crescent i hope. I recommended them. They make my Knipexs look stupid. I'm ONLY referring to the "dual action" style.
 

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Id go with Channellock any day, the snap-on cutters i own feel awkward in my hand and the base of the cutting edge only line up when i apply lots of pressure, oh and Channellock arent ashamed to stamp USA on their tools whereas on my snap-on pliers the USA stamp has been removed.
 

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Busted my Crescents on a 1/16th screw. Eh. Lowes gave me my money back so I don't mind. Worked well before they broke :D
 
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