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Old Radar

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It seems you have buyer's remorse but we don't know much more than that.

We know that until this buy you could fit all the tools you owned in your jeans pockets. Did you just wake up one morning and decide you needed a nearly 600-piece set? Are you in a trade or school where your tool requirements suddenly and vastly increased?

If you have an immediate need for all (and I mean all) the tools you bought I'd say you're set. On the other hand, if you just bought on impulse and don't need most of them, I'd say follow your gut and return them.

I don't know **** about GW or Tekton, but I'm conversant in older Made-in-USA iron and steel. If you don't have an immediate need, you could be much better off (monetarily and qualitatively) picking up a few pieces at a time of 50-80 year old tools from old US manufactures from estate sales, garage sales, flea markets, Craigslist, etc. (I'd advise against anything later than that since cost cutting measures drove many manufacturers overseas and quality plummeted.)

Garage Journal's Vintage Tool Discussion section has threads devoted to most old manufacturers and retailers like Armstrong, Blackhawk, Bonny, Craftsman, Herbrand, Indestro/Duro, P&C, Plomb and Proto, S-K and J.H.Williams, just to name a few. This country was built using the tools these and other companies made and an amazing amount of them are still in service today.

Like I said, if you need all those tools right now, you're good to go. If not, in time you could treble or quadruple the number of tools you have for the same money and they would be higher quality--and the tools you need, not what was thrown in the bag.

Good luck!
 
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I'm also coming at it from a portability angle. Not sure what OPs situation is, but between high school and today I've never lived in one house more than 3 years, moved 11 times, and never had more space than a 2 car garage.

All those tools take up space. If you have the space (as in, large tool chest with shallow, wide drawers) to organize them, so you can easily find the tool you need and have a permanent place to put it back, great.

I only had 2 20 inch husky bags for the first 10 years and I didn't have space for tools I didn't use. I've tried to keep that mindset even with more space, and I feel like it's the right decision for me.

Next time I move, if it's in country, I'll haul the box, if it's international again, the essentials go in the bags and the box goes to my neighbor.

I rocked a blow mold case, a 20" hard plastic box, and a bag for cordless tools for years until I finally had enough to spring for a 44" HF box (and side chest the next day when I found the box wasn't quite enough). Since then I've had to move the box 3 times but I have a system that seems to work, although it's never fun. Having good organization is vital to not losing things, or knowing what is missing, and makes life so much easier. To this day I only buy what I need although lately I have been looking at some upgrades just to have nicer hard line tools, all things I use frequently.
 
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I'm also coming at it from a portability angle. Not sure what OPs situation is, but between high school and today I've never lived in one house more than 3 years, moved 11 times, and never had more space than a 2 car garage.

All those tools take up space. If you have the space (as in, large tool chest with shallow, wide drawers) to organize them, so you can easily find the tool you need and have a permanent place to put it back, great.

I only had 2 20 inch husky bags for the first 10 years and I didn't have space for tools I didn't use. I've tried to keep that mindset even with more space, and I feel like it's the right decision for me.

Next time I move, if it's in country, I'll haul the box, if it's international again, the essentials go in the bags and the box goes to my neighbor.

Funny you mention that! I've been married for 11 years next week, have 3 kids and have moved 11 times in the past 10 years. Just sold a house in the mountains of North Carolina and bought another in Nebraska. This is it- this is the house we stay in, in a tiny town that is a blast from the past (great for letting the kids run around and actually be kids). I have been keeping all my previous tools, which was basically nothing along with a good handful of high end bicycle specialty tools, in a Rubbermade container the size of one toolbox drawer. Also got a killer deal on a Husky 18 drawer 72" tool chest like half price. This entire set I've got barely takes up any room in it at all! I'll be working out of a 2 car garage for a few years until we can build an actual shop nearby- mostly will be a metalwork shop for custom furniture and home goods, but I also LOVE motorsports and fully plan on building all sorts of go-fast goodies for both the kids and myself. Really digging the Formula Ford and F1000 style cars, so a nice tube bender will be coming eventually too.
 

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As a guy who owns a few GW sets and a few Tekton tools, you will be fine. I have yet to warranty a GW socket or ratchet 3 years in, and the 84 tooth GW ratchets are as good as or better than anything else in their price range.
You may occasionally need a 12 point socket, but 6 point is my preferred go to, which is why I bought the GW in the first place.

The mistake I first made was buying Cman 12 point while living in the rustbelt. Haven't touched them in decades. Which also shows how often I run across a 12 point fastener to use with a ratchet. Header bolts need a wrench to install on my vehicles due to clearance issues.
 
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As a guy who owns a few GW sets and a few Tekton tools, you will be fine. I have yet to warranty a GW socket or ratchet 3 years in, and the 84 tooth GW ratchets are as good as or better than anything else in their price range.
You may occasionally need a 12 point socket, but 6 point is my preferred go to, which is why I bought the GW in the first place.

The mistake I first made was buying Cman 12 point while living in the rustbelt. Haven't touched them in decades. Which also shows how often I run across a 12 point fastener to use with a ratchet. Header bolts need a wrench to install on my vehicles due to clearance issues.

I forgot to mention, the set actually shipped with the 90 tooth ratchets, and I had already ordered a couple locking flex head 90 tooth as well, so I'm plenty set on ratchets for basically the next forever as long as they don't break. They feel 700% better than the Kobalt 90 tooth I have had for years. I'm going to just fill a couple of the gaps in the 6 point set and get those set up in my toolbox, I'll hold onto the 12 point though and see how often I use them before spending much more time or money on them.
 

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Gearwrench is great my dad broke an entire set of my ratcheting wrenches and I explained to them what happened and they warrantied the entire set and didn’t want the old ones back and their sockets are very strong and durable and screwdrivers are nice too and wrenches


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hmm, shows no box at all in the pics and nothing in the description. how is it their issue?


Buy some socket rails from lowes or something.



For what its worth that is an awful lot of cash for what coulda been bought for about a grand less. I think every innumerable size in chrome SAE/Metric I have costs less than that and they are apex made sockets too.
 

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Look how competitive this is here? Its about as easy to make decent or good as it is cheap, really is and the dirty secret being the cheap and the good often the same with a different package. The days of the cheap early India and China are gone, the quality has gone up and its so much more profitable to brand than it is too save a nickel on a socket. You got to stock and inventory 2 grades of steel, to different screwdriver tips, track it all or put the same on each, put one in a white box, the other Stanley or Huskey
 

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Maybe that is a generalization but its done and the trick is to find that generic under the cheapest label. That grinder is Farmhand at TSC and cost 30 more than Northern. Same for most of these sockets. They dont put pixie dust in one or the other, most are the same generic stuff now, the real secret is most of its pretty good.
We use it in ruff service, it has outlasted our expections by a dozen time when we bought it. We figured if it worked twice in an event would pay for itself and some of it got 1000's of cycles now on it, still works the same and has done the same work as a wrench costing multiples.
 
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My bud Norman has bought tool truck all his life,, recently discovered HF,,, ha,,,, Look at this great box I got for 400$,,, ha,, he cant believe it. Every time I go over he rolls a drawer and giggles, I think he might wet himself a little, probably aint ever paid less than 4 grand for a box.
 

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I understand some like fine tools,,,, I kinds get that but times change and today its just not worth it. The quality leap from good to great has narrowed and cheapened so much. I was in a Walmart, they had a sale maybe and its been a little whil but set of long full polish Chrome Stanley pro kinda wrenches, 26 or 31$ and so pretty I dont need any, they almost begged me to take them home, I just plain dont need any more but they really pretty and in the dark or if a guy couldnt read couldnta told the difference from hot off the truck.
 

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I paid 75 for 6 wrenches in 1980. I bet these as good and 13 for 30$ retail off the shelf in 2018 I bought a single for 3, helper commented, thats a heck of a fine tool for 3 retail in a single.
 
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That's a great assortment of tools for $1050.

I've ran across a ton of 12 point head and header bolts. Not sure how anyone gets by with only 6 point.


Yep, you can use a 12 pt on a 6 pt but you can't use a 6 pt on a 12 pt.


As far as keep or send back, man up and own your decision. You bought a good set and ******* and moaning got you a killer deal on it. Start using them and when you find tools that are missing add to the set. If you want to have higher quality tools after a while replace things and sell what you replace. In a few years you will have everything just the way you want it and will be done buying tools.


:lol_hitti:lol_hitti:lol_hitti:lol_hitti:lol_hitti:lol_hitti

Hahahaha remember that time that Mike said be done buying tools? Yeah that was funny stuff.
 

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So now I've got almost 400 sockets and no way to organize them. I did call and complain a bunch, and they actually refunded me about $550, so right now I've got a grand total of around $1050 in this set

Did you not look at what you bought before buying? My only thought is.......well I'll just keep that to myself

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I have a love hate relationship with Gearwrench. Every situation is different and it really depends on what tools you need and how quickly you need them.

Personally, for me, if I was starting out, I'm not sure I'd buy a whole set from Gearwrench, but I also don't think you did bad on the price and at this point, I'd probably just keep it. I have some Gearwrench stuff that's great, and other things that aren't very good. However, I'm not sure you'd do any better with Tekton either. To do better, I think you'd need to seek out used higher quality tools such a USA made Craftsman, Snap On, Williams, SK, etc. However, it'll take quite a bit of time to get a complete set at decent prices from brands like this. So if you need them immediately, it's not always an option.

My biggest complaint about Gearwrench is the warranty. I've had to use their warranty three times. The first was on a set of pliers I bought from Advance Auto Parts. They warrantied them, but it took getting a manager to get it swapped out. It was a hassle, but the best experience I've had with their warrnaty. I had a screwdriver break and to warranty it was a nightmare. No one locally seemed to be willing to warranty it, so I called Gearwrench and they wanted me to send it in, which is understandable. However, it cost me almost $10 in shipping to have a single screwdriver replaced. It was one of the larger ones that did cost more than that to buy individually, but even then it probably wasn't worth it. However, I did send it in and received a replacement. The whole process took several weeks. This would have been unacceptable if it was my only screwdriver set.

Then, just recently I warrantied a ratchet. I called in and they required me to send an email to a warranty email. After about a week with no response, I sent another email to follow up. It was at that time that they told me they'd send me a new ratchet. I got the new ratchet about a week later. Then the new ratchet has the rubber soft handle at an angle. None of the pictures online show this, and it feels really awkward. So I emailed them back about the issue. Again, no response. So I sent a follow up email again, only to be told that that's normal and how they are supposed to be on this model. If that's true, and they insist it is, it's a really stupid design. So the warranty has gotten better the sense that I didn't have to pay to mail the broken one back, but it I don't feel that I should have to follow up multiple times and wait weeks for a replacement.

I have a lot of Gearwrench sockets and I use them often. I have no complaints. Heck, I often keep this by my tool cart and use them over my Snap On and USA Craftsman's that I keep in my box. It's not that they are better, but they seem to work just as well. They work well, seem tough, and I've never broken one. I really think you'll be fine here. I don't use 12 point stuff very often, but it is nice to have if you need it. I've needed them when doing clutch jobs and things like that.

I've also been extremely happy with my Gearwrench wrenches. I do prefer my Snap On set of non ratcheting wrenches, but I think you'll be just fine in most cases with the Gearwrench ones as they are good enough for a fraction of the price. I prefer my Gearwrench ratcheting wrenches over the Snap On set that I've used. Although I will say that my ratcheting wrenches from them are probably 17 or 18 years old.

I will say, I think their flex head ratcheting wrenches are a must have, but I don't see any in that kit. They are great!

I also have some Gearwrench screwdrivers. I've used them a lot over the years and I've had pretty good luck. I've since replaced them with Snap On which are much better, as are others like Wera, PB Swiss, etc. However, the Gearwrench ones are a level above others such as Craftsman, Kobalt, etc. I suspect they'll probably be good enough for the occasional user.

When it comes to their ratchets, I'm not a fan. I originally got one full sized and one stubby 3/8" drive ratchet with the first set of sockets I bought about 10 years ago. These were excellent. They feel great, have been reliable, don't slip, etc. I was highly impressed. In fact, I was so impressed that I bought several more and it's been nothing but a nightmare. The 2nd 3/8" stubby I bought tends to have the lever flip on it's own when you're backing the ratchet up. So for example, if I'm tightening something then pull the ratchet back, the lever will flip to reverse. This makes it a pain to use. The 1/2" drive ratchet I bought didn't last long before it started slipping under pressure. This leads to busted knuckles, which isn't fun. While some of their ratchets are obviously great, I just don't think their quality is consistent. I'm not willing to take the chance with them anyway. Couple this with the fact that their warranty is a hassle and it takes weeks to get a replacement, I just don't think they are worth it. I also don't want to find out that I got a bad one when it slips and busts my knuckles, or worse.

I have those crescent wrenches in that kit and they are also ****. The handles are poorly glued on and on every set I have they want to slip off. The wrenches also have more play in them than I'd like.

The only set of pliers I've ever used from them have also been ****. It's an extra long set of double jointed needle nose pliers. They don't claim together tight, the metal seems to be weak as the teeth wear off quickly, and the jaw bent out extremely easy on the first set I had. The replacement isn't any better, but I haven't bent them. I rarely use them because of how bad they are.

I also have some long hex sockets with ball ends on them and I'm not really impressed there either. They are decent I guess, but I find the ball doesn't usually fit tightly and wants to slip and strip out the fastener. I've had much better luck with Snap On bits.

So, in conclusion, I thinks some of the stuff Gearwrench makes is excellent. I wouldn't trade my wrenches from them for $1,000. However, the quality just doesn't seem to be consistent. While other stuff they make is complete junk. Then you factor in the warranty that's hard to deal with it and takes forever, and it just makes me shy away from purchasing stuff from them most of the time.

This is also why I shy away from kits. There aren't many companies that make the best of everything, so I prefer not to limit myself to one brand. For example, I LOVE my old US made Craftsman sockets, but their screwdrivers and ratchets ****. I love my Snap On ratchets, but I think Knipex makes significantly better pliers, etc. That's why I prefer to piece together a kit that's exactly what I want. However, this takes a lot more time and doesn't work if you need the tools immediately.
 
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I have a love hate relationship with Gearwrench. ... ... ... ... That's why I prefer to piece together a kit that's exactly what I want. However, this takes a lot more time and doesn't work if you need the tools immediately.

Thanks for the detailed reply! I am going to keep the set. I may end up selling some pieces down the road, such as replacing broken pliers/cutters with Knipex, or replacing any broken tools with higher quality. The way I think about it, if it hasn't broken then it's good enough for the job, so why spend more? On the same token, I did want better quality than Stanley from Walmart, as I have had problems with their combination wrenches flexing and popping off of bolts. I do need a set of impact sockets and no good sets are for sale used near me, so may do Grey Pneumatic or GearWrench for those too... I'm going to wait for holiday sales for any additional power tools.
 

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a penny pinching mentality ultimately leads to insecurity and indecision.
You made a bold initial decision, I wouldn't give a **** what anyone else thinks.
Trust your gut instinct.
 

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I gotta wonder how USA cman has earned the reputation as a fine tool. I have some from the 70s but after 80 the same generic stuff and the sockets about 1 step from scrap along with the ratchet. The new China is just as good, it's a lot cheaper. Like a lot of stuff once it was proved out the sockets worked but not for lack of trading them in for new.
 

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Look how competitive this is here? Its about as easy to make decent or good as it is cheap, really is and the dirty secret being the cheap and the good often the same with a different package. The days of the cheap early India and China are gone, the quality has gone up and its so much more profitable to brand than it is too save a nickel on a socket.

I gotta wonder how USA cman has earned the reputation as a fine tool. I have some from the 70s but after 80 the same generic stuff and the sockets about 1 step from scrap along with the ratchet. The new China is just as good, it's a lot cheaper. Like a lot of stuff once it was proved out the sockets worked but not for lack of trading them in for new.

You can't have it both ways sberry.

You say the quality of off-shore tools has gone up and in the next post say that the "new China is just as good" as '80s era Craftsman that are just a step above scrap.

While off-shore quality may have gone up, I am still not tempted to buy any of it because I agree with you that it's just a step above scrap.

As for your wonderment at how Craftsman earned the reputation as a fine tool, that's easy. Reputations are built from the outset on consistent quality, value and standing behind what you do. Sears & Roebuck started marketing Craftsman tools in 1927 and in the 1930's they had the various manufacturers that produced the tools start marking them with codes to identify each maker. Those manufacturers included New Britain, S-K, Vlchek, Herbrand, JP Danielson and Plomb, among others. Post WWII, Moore Drop Forge took on the lion's share until the late 1960's. By the late 1970's profit motivation drove quality levels down--a drive that continued until manufacture was shifted overseas, which further eroded quality. With the loss of quality and therefore value, Sears no longer honored the Craftsman Lifetime Guarantee.

All that is to say you cannot look at a broken Craftsman tool made in the last 40 years and wonder how they earned their reputation for fine tools. That's when they started relying on their good reputation to sell cheap tools.

For those who may be interested in checking who made your CM tool, check this list compiled by GJ member Lauver: https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=84807&page=1
 

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LOL, I remember back in the 1970s spending almost $220 for a Enough snap on tools to literally fill a cigarbox.

Even though I have almost all of them today, it was the stupidest tool purchase i ever did., but hey my brother who is a “pro” mechanic at a box full of them so why not? Especially when you can make payments on them. :Rolleyes:

The op has a decent useable set of tools, in which she will probably lose more than Break last him for the rest of his life

Now he just have to deal with his self doubt. :)


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Some of my wording may have not been perfect but.. I agree at one time Sears had better stuff, the decline isn't recent. The current is as good, maybe even better. I didn't buy much from Sears in the mid 90's on. Maybe it was better than the 80s. The stuff older than that it earned it's bones on was good, got a few really old pieces that are really tuff and quite finely made. I think a lot of it SK.
 
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I don't know any real history other than when I bought a pile. I had some old and was disappointed when my set came in 81. Other than the sockets it worked. The reason I am a fan now is the cost/quality. It's so cheap they almost got to pay you to carry it to the car. Husky had a 220 pc socket set 99 on sale I think. I say scrap may be the wrong term but that's near scrap price and it works with warranty. Same warranty a 25$ socket has, only a little less finely made.
 
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