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Did my electrician pull a fast one on me?

Campbeke

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So, I bought a house that hadn't been occupied for 2 years (obv electric was turned off during that time). Since it had no electric service for 2 years, I had to get an inspection to get it turned back on. Inspector gave a list of things he wanted to see fixed before it'd pass. (List below).
Electrician gave me a fair price, and got everything moving ... i thought.

Turns out, my backdoor exterior light, and exterior plug don't work, and I just discovered that the electrical on 1/2 of my basement (the finished side!) doesn't work either.

When I talked to my electrician about it he simply said "Yeah, I'm not sure why the electric outside doesn't work either".

I told him that I'd assumed that working electric to at the very least the interior of the house (including the basement) was in the scope of the work performed ... No response from him yet as to whether or not he agrees..

What are your thoughts? Is it reasonable to expect that the electrical would work throughout the house after inspections? Or was that a mistake on my part?


(ps paid over $1300 for this work to be performed)
SCOPE OF WORK:
We will make minor repairs in the first floor to include:
1- install flush wall boxes on the wires in the rear kitchen wall for the wall sconces
2- install a blank plate on the box up high on the wall in the stairway to the basement
3- cut the wall to get the wiring into the wall for the attic light switch in the garage and cut out the lampcord and plug at the adjacent receptacle

Outside rear work:
1- furnish and replace the two wall lanterns beside the rear door at deck
2- install a ground wire on the mast pipe down to the ground rod
3- install a multi-systems ground lug kit on the ground wire and install the supplimental grounds on its

In the basement:
1- replace the 100 amp subpanel in the basement corner to the right of the 100 amp fused switch and separate the neutrals and grounds in this switch and panel
2- eliminate the air conditioning disconnect to the left of the switch and feed this circuit out of the new subpanel
3- run a new #4 bare copper ground from the main 200 amp Cutler Hammer Panel above the ceiling to the far corner and connect it to the 3/4” water pipe that brings water into the house; this is the primary service ground.
4- install a connector and plastic bushing on the top of the 3/4” conduit coming out of the top of the hot water heater
5- install a bonding jumper from the hot to cold water pipes on top the hot water heater
6- make any other minor safety repairs that are noted as this work is being done to prepare for the re-inspection to turn the service back on.
 
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zmaxmotorsports

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You got all of that done for $1300.00? Seems pretty reasonable to me anyway.
Was the power to house turned on while the work was being performed,How do you expect him to know whats actually working with power off to the house?
Maybe you should have him come back and give you a bid on the rest,now that the power is on.:dunno:;)
 
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Campbeke

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You got all of that done for $1300.00? Seems pretty reasonable to me anyway.
Was the power to house turned on while the work was being performed,How do you expect him to know whats actually working with power off to the house?
Maybe you should have him come back and give you a bid on the rest,now that the power is on.:dunno:;)


Good clarification Z --- Power was turned on somewhere during the scope of the work so that he could test yes, and he did test at least the back exterior (as evidenced by his confusion about why the power wouldn't work in the back exterior..), but he didn't go any further to try to identify why or fix.

I can live without the back lights/exterior plug working - esp since those are on an addition (who knows what wiring was done or if it was even :dunno: done professionally!), but my question is was it wrong to assume that the power inside the house would work?

and yes, price was very fair. He's done a lot of work for me at a previous house and this one.
 

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Well Id say its time to have him come back for round 2 to see what he can figure out then.
It can be really tough to figure out somebody elses wiring sometimes,especially if they were hacks who did the addition.
If I had a buck for everytime I knocked a hole in a wall to find wires wrapped in a ball of tape where a box should've been!:eyecrazy::lol:
 
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Campbeke

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Well Id say its time to have him come back for round 2 to see what he can figure out then.
It can be really tough to figure out somebody elses wiring sometimes,especially if they were hacks who did the addition.
If I had a buck for everytime I knocked a hole in a wall to find wires wrapped in a ball of tape where a box should've been!:eyecrazy::lol:

Yeah - agree 100% -- that's why i'm not too concerned with the electrical in the addition, because i have no idea who/how it was wired. And with some of the wiring that was in the garage :lol_hitti i'm not sure i even want to open up those back room walls.

The basement wiring should theoretically be the same as the rest of the house though right?

I'm really not trying to be a pain in his *** or ask him to do work that shouldn't have been reasonably expected. That's why I'm trying to understand if it's unreasonable to have expected that electrical within the core part of the house would work after he did his updates?
 

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The price seems reasonable for all the work done.

Since he is a professional and was paid for an inspection as well as repair, at a minimum I would have expected some type of report indicating that basement receptacles are not operational and will require additional work to rectify. No different than if I would have paid a professional to examine an automobile, I would at least expect him to note that AC is not working or sunroof is non-op.
 
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Campbeke

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.. and if he didn't mention that? (didn't mention the back electrical not working either -- until I brought it up, and he just said, "yeah I'm not sure why it doesn't work)
 

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If I were the electrician I would of brought it up to you if I knew when I was done with the work. It is not right that he did not. Speaks volume of his character.
 

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Aside from when I built my house, I have never paid a contractor for electrical work, so no first hand experience for hiring someone for small jobs like that, however, if he replaced the main panel, and did all that work, I would 100% expect everything coming from that new panel to be working. At the very least, he should have checked out each circuit and verified functionality. If something else was needed, it should have been brought to your attention when he completed the work. seems really half-assed to me...
 

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I don't see anything in his scope of work that adresses the issues your having, although you could argue that #6 under the Basement section would include working lights as a Safety Issue. I would think he should have tested everything then wrote up an estimate to fix the issues out of scope though.
 
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Campbeke

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I don't see anything in his scope of work that adresses the issues your having, although you could argue that #6 under the Basement section would include working lights as a Safety Issue. I would think he should have tested everything then wrote up an estimate to fix the issues out of scope though.

Yeah, I really wouldn't have had a problem if he'd said hey we fixed everything on the inspectors report, but we found these problems: A,B,C. Those were issues due to the circuits themselves, not the panels. It'll probably cost x to fix. Do you want us to do that too? Hell, I probably would have wrote him a check on the spot to get the work done!


Technically the guy didn't even actually provide me a scope of the work he was going to do (this was actually what another guy sent me, just to put the question into a frame of reference).. I've used him on plenty of other projects, so I didn't think I needed to .. unfortunately, lately he's dropped the ball on some things:

-Complementary lawn job with furnace installation: parked in my back yard when installing new furnace-- on a day it was raining, and did a lawn job in my back yard.. Didn't offer to fix (until 48 hrs later when I asked him, sooo what are you going to do about that)

-Complementary kitchen floor cleaning: When fixing a corroded pipe in the basement, he sent his son to do this work. His son turned on the water to the refrigerator water line (no fridge was attached)-- water poured into my kitchen.. No call to apologize. When it started smelling moldy and linoleum floor tiles started bubbling/breaking.. Took him a few days to come out and look at it. Then said he could come fix in another week (keep in mind, mold growing under there). or He said that I could just pull them up and replace them and he'd reimburse cost of materials for it.

Complementary dog exercising service: He left my front door open when I wasn't home (i allowed him to come work when I wasn't there) -- dog got out and was running around for an hour - my neighbor returned him (I found this out from my neighbors a week later, he never actually told me about it).
 
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I would consider non-working circuits a safety issue until the cause is determined. There could be intermittent connections that might cause arcing or other safety concerns. It should at least be determined whether these circuits are still connected to the panel or abandoned.
 

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If he knew the power didn't work he should've said something,I know I would've. Maybe he thought you would've expected him to fix it under the original scope but that's still no excuse. As far as no power it could be a bad breaker, a tripped gfi,or a bad connection somewhere,it's also possible that he missed a wire in the panel when replacing
 

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When the inspector comes back to re-inspect, I expect you'll get another list of things not up to code, including the slipshod work that electrician did.
 

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If he replaced the basement panel and basement wiring/lights are not fully functional - how can that NOT be his problem to fix?
 

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-Complementary lawn job with furnace installation: parked in my back yard when installing new furnace-- on a day it was raining, and did a lawn job in my back yard.. Didn't offer to fix (until 48 hrs later when I asked him, sooo what are you going to do about that)

-Complementary kitchen floor cleaning: When fixing a corroded pipe in the basement, he sent his son to do this work. His son turned on the water to the refrigerator water line (no fridge was attached)-- water poured into my kitchen.. No call to apologize. When it started smelling moldy and linoleum floor tiles started bubbling/breaking.. Took him a few days to come out and look at it. Then said he could come fix in another week (keep in mind, mold growing under there). or He said that I could just pull them up and replace them and he'd reimburse cost of materials for it.


Is this guy a licensed electrician or a handyman?
 

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It's a good thing you didn't pay him all the money until you tested everything out to make sure it was quality work.
 

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Technically the guy didn't even actually provide me a scope of the work he was going to do (this was actually what another guy sent me, just to put the question into a frame of reference).. I've used him on plenty of other projects, so I didn't think I needed to .. unfortunately, lately he's dropped the ball on some things:

So you got a quote from an electrical contractor,then had your jack of all trades guy do the electrical work?:dunno:
 

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As a contractor, I'd have been on the phone to you saying something like, "I fixed everything I saw in the initial survey, so it'll pass inspection, but these things don't work. There's something else wrong that's hidden. It could take X EXTRA hours to track it down."
From your standpoint, though, I'd be more inclined to the attitude that fixed but doesn't work ain't fixed!

Not a clear-cut situation, but one that can be resolved with calm communication, which should have started while the job was in progress.

But, to answer your original question, "Pulled a fast one" implies intentional cheating - fraud. I'd call it more like "Dropped the ball" - several times.
 
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You clearly had issues with prior work by this guy, yet you hired him again. Expected him to change? Eat your loss and get another contractor to finish the job.
 
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OP sounds like one of my customers I don't have anymore! After giving him written estimates 3-4 times then seeing others doing the work I just ignore his calls! His guy didn't even seem very handy! Bobby
 

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JUST a guess..........On the outside light and outside outlet...........did you find and check to see if the GFCI is tripped????
 
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