Different types of Armorpoxy

[scatkins]

I've been trying to sort out for months on and off the various epoxy, and polyaspartic, polyurea solutions. (So please no "just search the forums advice")..

If I had one bit of advice for the suppliers and dealers, for Each it would be to provide basic selection guides within their own product lines. Each supplier and dealers has a website with generally useful information, but none I've found have a decent comparison guide to face off their own product lines... Plenty of detail and hype about the product but the organization and simple comparisons are generally absent and in the end make their websites mostly useless.

Sorry for the digression and vent, but I'd go out of own business if I marketed my own in that way. It is a shame that what appear to be some very good products are so poorly presented.. And others even when you sorta figure out what you want, when you get to the order page, it ends up being an incoherent jumble. Most want you just call.. but to be honest... I hate calling... it is so 20'th century.. lol

In looking at the various Armorpoxy products there seem to be a variety of products. From what I can see is there is Amorpoxy, Amorpoly II and Amorclad. And I also see Armorultra.

From what I can tell the Armorclad seems to target the home garage market. Amorpoxy II targets commercial spaces such as warehouses, car dealers. etc. And Aromor-ultra the high end spaces like military, aircraft hangers, etc..

I haven't figured out exactly what the basic Amorpoxy (non-II) targets other than maybe it is somewhere between Armorclad and armorpoxy II? I think the II product was thicker?

So anybody figured out a basic comparison of these products?

My application is a garage where engines will get rebuilt, but it is liable to get a bit of abuse at times with floor jacks, palette jacks, dragging equipment, various fluid that drip out of car. Decent slab quality in Southern California.. reasonable temperatures but of course the So Cal AQMD gestapo which probably limits what I can use here and will force me to ship to another state.

I don't mind paying a premium for a high end of the product line. Just would like to figure out exactly what product is suitable and is the good, better best.

And yes, I will be doing the work myself.

Any help sorting out the Armorpoxy line appreciated.. And no thanks in advance for the suggestions to use other product lines. For the moment, I'm just trying to sort out this one.

Thanks

 

[argulator]

I'm sure the Armorpoxy folks will answer your question here, but you'd probably get a better response by emailing them.

Take a look at the tech data on their website.

Armorpoxy 1 Part Epoxy-sounds like boat paint to me. They appear to acknowledge you don't want to use it on floors.

Armorpoxy II 2 Part Epoxy is a 65% solids solvent based epoxy.

Armorclad and Armorultra appear to be the same 100% solids epoxy packaged with whatever primers/topcoats to cause it to be called one or the other.

 

[Shea]

Maybe I can help you somewhat with an explanation. The websites of the vendors you are most likely visiting are not for your typical DIY product that you can find at your local home improvement center or hardware store. In fact, most of the product you can buy from these vendors are the same product that is sold to commercial installers.

As a result, many of these coatings can't simply be labeled as good, better, best like you would find at a Home Depot for example. There are many reasons for this. One is that some coatings are better than others for specific applications or uses. For example, polyurea and polyaspartic coatings are very popular for commercial installers because a complete system can be installed in a single day. With few exceptions, this type of coating can be a poor choice for the average DIY installation because of the very short pot life (20 minutes). They are hard to work with, require fast work, and lots of experience. Floor prep is critical as well.

Another example is 100% solids epoxy. It is considered a great coating for a base color coat, but it's not a good choice for a clear top coat in most cases. Each of these types of coatings have a purpose, many of which cross over, and the average person is just not aware. This is why comparisons don't really work that well. It's just not that easy.

What most of these vendors do not sell is cheap, under performing coatings. You can get those from the home improvement centers.

Now that said, I do understand some of your frustration when trying to make heads or tails from some of their sites, especially if you are not well versed in high performance concrete coatings. Many of the people who purchase from them are contractors that know exactly what they need for each job.

DIY jobs are not always the same either and may require different product based on needs. This is why we always recommend calling these vendors and have a talk with them. Let them help to qualify you for the type of coating that you need based on your needs and your installation experience. They can usually break it down into a couple of different options for you based on budget and needs.

Plus, these vendors want you to have a successful experience with your coating of choice. Most coating failures are due to poor prep and/or application technique and have nothing to do with the coatings. Yet, when someone has a bad experience they are quick to blame the vendor for poor product. Because they want to avoid this, they offer great advice and help if you have any questions regarding application and floor prep. Don't guess, just ask them.

 

[Armorpoxy]

Hi,
Hopefully we can assist!
Armorpoxy II is a mid solids, 65% self priming two part epoxy that is normally used as either a primer for 100% solids epoxy, or as an economical large project coating along with the ArmorUltra Military grade topcoat and wear additive. It can't be sold in California.

ArmorUltra 100% solids epoxy is the exact same epoxy as Armorclad, we just package it in smaller, easy to use kits for garage/residential use. By far, this is our most popular product, and best choice for garages. Use it with the primer and Military topcoat and that is a terrific system with tens of thousands of satisfied customers.

Standard Amorpoxy is a one part enamel like product with epoxy additives, and not generally recommend for garages. This product too cannot be sold in CA.

We actually are in the process of a major web overhaul and your comments have been passed on to our designers. We appreciate the input.

Please call our office or email us below directly if you need further clarification, quotes, data, etc. Thank you!

 

[accordfreak]

Armorpoxy- so what do you recommend for californians? I have a 1950 sq ft warehouse

 

[Armorpoxy]

If you are located in California we would recommend using the 100% solids Armorultra epoxy with a special low voc Urethane topcoat we make. This system will be just as durable as our standard coating systems but meets California guidelines and has been used successfully in many warehouses, garages, auto shops, and factory floors throughout California.

Please call our offices fore more details. Thank you!

 

[SMSC1]

I really like the Ultra product and am getting ready to do mine once I make up my mind on color. You'd think it was a life altering decision as it's about all I think about these days....
Anyway, it looks in most of the photos that there is quite a bit of orange peel texture in the finished surface. Is that by technique or material options? The smoothest look is in this hangar shot, but even there the reflections show the texture. Can this be applied with a "glassier" finish to the surface?

And is this the medium gray or light gray?

Thanks

 

[Armorpoxy]

Hi,
Virtually all urethanes give a very slight orange peeling, but no one ever complains about it honestly. A urethane is strongly recommended to help to resist oils, fuels, etc. also in a garage environment we always incle a small particle size non skid additive.

If glassy, smooth epoxy is why you want, go with an epoxy only at a lower spread rate so it self levels more, but please note it will be extremely difficult to keep clean, and may stain of you are not super careful. Prime first so the epoxy doesn't soak into the floor.

 

[Bottlecapdigger]

Hi,
Virtually all urethanes give a very slight orange peeling, but no one ever complains about it honestly. A urethane is strongly recommended to help to resist oils, fuels, etc. also in a garage environment we always incle a small particle size non skid additive.

If glassy, smooth epoxy is why you want, go with an epoxy only at a lower spread rate so it self levels more, but please note it will be extremely difficult to keep clean, and may stain of you are not super careful. Prime first so the epoxy doesn't soak into the floor.

. Just what I'm looking for. I'm going to the web site and see if I can find a supplier in Ontario. Thanks. BCD.

 

[Armorpoxy]

Hi, we ship to Canada daily, and don't use dealers or distributors to sell our products. Thank you.

 

[scatkins]

Thank you, I think I have a better handle now...