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Copymutt

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Some good information, once again. My parents are having issues and are talking about a new antenna. Im not sure if it's not a TV issue as well.

We have a near perfect location at our cabin. Rabbit ears w/ amplifier. We got well over 100 HD channels + radio rebroadcasts. Multiple translators due to elevation. Since the corona **** it’s down to about 40. The issue is most likely not the antennae or the TV.
 

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We have a near perfect location at our cabin. Rabbit ears w/ amplifier. We got well over 100 HD channels + radio rebroadcasts. Multiple translators due to elevation. Since the corona **** it’s down to about 40. The issue is most likely not the antennae or the TV.

I didn't know corona virus affect TV signals as well, this sound like a story straight from ID4 resurgence or that other movie ..
 

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I didn't know corona virus affect TV signals as well, this sound like a story straight from ID4 resurgence or that other movie ..

It's possible that they don't have content to show on some of the small, independent stations...
 

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I've been using a Winegard HD7694P outdoor yagi antenna (mounted on a mast a few feet above the roof line. It is a combo UHF/VHF-high. All of the antenna sites, and Winegard themselves, rate this antenna for 45 miles. However, line of sight does wonderful things. The Phoenix stations all broadcast from a single mountain, and while they're spread out somewhat, from out here (68 miles distant) they appear as a single compass point. 68 miles, plus a clean line of sight with no obstructions, and a directional antenna, gives me a strong signal on every PHX station. I use no amplifiers at all.

 

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It's possible that they don't have content to show on some of the small, independent stations...

I am thinking more people turn on their TV, the signal are getting absorbed and less are getting transmitted at farther distances if the transmitting tower doesn't increased their power. that would be indirect cause. The other factor are time of year and day, the ionosphere affect radio transmission differently , If I remember my kindergarten science correctly.
 

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Wow thanks for all the thoughts everyone!

I installed the Lava 8008 Omnipro kit over the weekend. With the amplifier installed 30' from the antenna we got 11 channels. With the amplifier installed 10" from antenna we got 52 BUT - our primary NBC channel is now scrambled.

Thoughts?

Putting the amplifier as close to the antenna as possible is good. Is the NBC station by chance the closest one to your location? If so the amplifier might be too much for it. Is the amp adjustable so you could turn it down?

You might also try adjusting the direction the antenna is pointing just a bit one way or the other. You might be getting a reflection off a building or something that's causing interference.
 

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Putting the amplifier as close to the antenna as possible is good. Is the NBC station by chance the closest one to your location? If so the amplifier might be too much for it. Is the amp adjustable so you could turn it down?

You might also try adjusting the direction the antenna is pointing just a bit one way or the other. You might be getting a reflection off a building or something that's causing interference.

Those type of antenna have pre-amp build into the antenna unit... if you put another pre-amp on the line, you might over amplify the signals. and this is an omni-directional antenna.. no point of pointing the antenna but placing it at a different location might get reception better, since radio wave travels better in line of sight.
 

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Another upside of OTA (over the air) broadcasts, the picture quality is INCREDIBLE. The signals are uncompressed.
Yes! We had what was (apparently) very crappy cable service, when we got our first high definition TVs several years ago I thought "what's the big deal? picture quality is about the same". Then we eliminated the service and went to antenna and streaming--finally saw true HD, very noticable difference.

On the antenna thing, we have an app called RCA signal finder, it really helped reduce trial and error in pointing the antenna, we get 50 miles away and I am in a valley with the antenna 6' up from my ranch house's roof.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0024R4B5C/?tag=atomicindus08-20 This may not be the best, but works pretty well.
 

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Wow thanks for all the thoughts everyone!

I installed the Lava 8008 Omnipro kit over the weekend. With the amplifier installed 30' from the antenna we got 11 channels. With the amplifier installed 10" from antenna we got 52 BUT - our primary NBC channel is now scrambled.

Thoughts?
We have a few stations within 10-15 miles and the rest are all in another city 50 miles away-I point the antenna at the city 50 miles away and close and far stations all come in great, see also some of the posts about signal finding apps.
 

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Hi all:
I have a small TV antenna at the top of my mast which appears to lose its ability to feed signals down to my TV. So I think I need a new antenna. This antenna is quite small, maybe 12 inches or less. I will be taking the mast down this summer for maintenance, and I think it would be wise to replace the antenna. Can anyone recommend a brand/model?
Thanks
Perhaps reading some of the responses previous to yours would be beneficial to you.
 
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the first antenna I put up about 20 + yrs ago did A good job I went to the electrical whole sales and asked what tv antenna the local installers bought then the tv went from analog to digital it still worked but was intermittent I tired different locations on the roof I gave up in the end and got an installer to put up the best for our location and pointing in the right direction been happy now
 

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I use a Clearstream Max V antenna. I think it was like 68 bucks at Lowe’s.

I get all my local channels, plus channels from Miami which is over 60 miles away from me.

With that antenna, a fire TV recast dvr box, I don’t have to watch commercials. I also have Amazon prime video for streaming.
We shop at Whole Foods, so when you sign up for prime video, you get a discount that covers the cost of the membership.
 
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I've been using a Winegard HD7694P outdoor yagi antenna (mounted on a mast a few feet above the roof line. It is a combo UHF/VHF-high. All of the antenna sites, and Winegard themselves, rate this antenna for 45 miles. However, line of sight does wonderful things. The Phoenix stations all broadcast from a single mountain, and while they're spread out somewhat, from out here (68 miles distant) they appear as a single compass point. 68 miles, plus a clean line of sight with no obstructions, and a directional antenna, gives me a strong signal on every PHX station. I use no amplifiers at all.

I also have this one. Amazon has it. I'm about 50 miles from the tower and it works great. I did have to mount it outside on a mast instead of in my 1 story house attic. And I have the channelmaster amp suggested previously.
 

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I'm building a house. Each TV will get a RG6 drop, but the plan is to have a single (external) antenna at the house. We have several of the indoor "leaf" antennas now which are OK, but the shop has a big external antenna and the difference is substantial.

What antenna you need depends on how far your stations are away. Many antennas are still directional.







Others have provided active splitters, which are best if you can centralize.

Another option that I'm "test driving" is Amazon's Fire Re-cast. Basically it's a "whole house" DVR. So I have a single box that is recording from OTA, either 2-channels or 4-channels at once. From that box, any TV that has an Amazon Fire Stick (about $30) can receive recorded AND live programs from the DVR.... Full channel menu/program guide. So with several older TVs, this is a great option and I don't even have to run RG6 or deal with antennas at all..

Only downside? It's 720P.
This is what I did Recast box and Firesticks, and added Philo TV to it, wife records things and it fits the need, bought my own modem and router too. Internet goes down and still have local channels and any of her recorded content, been reliable so far. Went from internet, TV, and phone at $249 a month to ditching the landline, and TV and paying $75 a month ( inc. internet)for everything that we really watch. In the spring I'll see if the Recast box will work in the travel trailer for rainy days.
 

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before you buy an antenna go to a website like this and figure out what stations you want to receive. The FCC has changed off-air frequencies so much in the last 15 years that the answer to, "what do I buy<" has changed many times too. I've run off air several times in the last 30 years and if prices go up again will go back to it. If you have good Internet with a high data cap, you can stream about anything these days and combined that with your local channels. Here, one of the cable providers stopped carrying TV, and went solely to Internet and streaming choices. Go to this website and check out the channel numbers, then make sure the antenna will work with those.


 

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Hi all:
I have a small TV antenna at the top of my mast which appears to lose its ability to feed signals down to my TV. So I think I need a new antenna. This antenna is quite small, maybe 12 inches or less. I will be taking the mast down this summer for maintenance, and I think it would be wise to replace the antenna. Can anyone recommend a brand/model?
Thanks
Check the channels available in your area (distance and band). I installed channelmaster equipment (antennas, combiner, amp, splitters and DVR). They have a decent web site to guide your selection. I get the range they claim reliably, and usually get some channels that are a bit farther.
Lots of antennas make exagerated claims about range.
 
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This is what I did Recast box and Firesticks, and added Philo TV to it, wife records things and it fits the need, bought my own modem and router too. Internet goes down and still have local channels and any of her recorded content, been reliable so far. Went from internet, TV, and phone at $249 a month to ditching the landline, and TV and paying $75 a month ( inc. internet)for everything that we really watch. In the spring I'll see if the Recast box will work in the travel trailer for rainy days.
I’ve had the recast for about 2 years now, mine has never been able to work without internet. I know it’s supposed to work without internet, but it never worked for me.

I would love to be able to take it with me and watch recorded shows on a road trip.
 

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I bought this one https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07KYXJWRC/?tag=atomicindus08-20 a couple of years ago and I am very happy with it. I usually get around 52 channels and they come in good. This antenna also has a little motor on it and a remote you can use to rotate it. I haven't moved it in months though. The electric power goes through the coax cable. This antenna was $72.

Dennis
 

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I’ve had the recast for about 2 years now, mine has never been able to work without internet. I know it’s supposed to work without internet, but it never worked for me.

I would love to be able to take it with me and watch recorded shows on a road trip.
I've disconnected mine and moved it around, as long as it's in range of the router it works with no internet.
 

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We switched to streaming and hdtv antenna a while back. What I did was buy one of these: https://www.silicondust.com/product/hdhomerun-flex-4k/ and plug that into my router. My antenna plugs into the HD Homerun box. I use a computer on my network to set it up and there is an app installed on each TV/firestick that we use. Can stream to 4 tvs/pcs simultaneously. Works for us, just a single cable ran into the house to my office, the rest is done over my wireless internet setup for the house.
 

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Lots of good info here. All I can add is that I'm 90+ miles from my 'local' TV stations. I pick up over 30 channels with an old fashioned 12ft double boom antenna mounted on a 3ft tripod right on my roof ridge. It runs into a cheapo 4 way splitter/amp and then to 4 different TV's in the house. I haven't paid for TV in probably close to 20 years. And now with my new 'Smart' TV and unlimited internet I have over 200 channels to choose from on Samsungs 'TV Plus'.
 

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Antennas themselves don't usually "die". It is usually the little transformer or the coax connectors that go bad.
 

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Well, Comcast has pissed me off for the last time, and I am ready to cut the cable. Most of my electronics knowledge is digital, and I don't know much about antennas, so I am looking for advice. My house is 38 miles from The Sears Tower, and at a relatively high elevation (key word: relatively; this is Illinois we're talking about!). I was hoping to put an antenna in my attic, but I'm not sure if this is feasible. Obviously the roof will block the signal somewhat, but how much would this actually amount to in dB? Would a higher gain antenna make up for the attenuation from the roof? I have quite a lot of room up there, so I could get a huge one if necessary. Any brand recommendations? Thanks in advance.
I didn't get very good reception from my attic, wood and shingle roof. My best location, other than outside, was in a window. I'm in south Florida, totally flat.
 

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Does anyone have any recommendations on digital TV antennas. We are making a switch away from cable and I'm going to put TV in the garage for races and football games.

Does each TV need their own antenna?

You can use this: https://www.antennaweb.org/

Just get an antenna based on those recommendations (or slightly better range).

I have an external antenna mounted on top of the shop. From there, it directly feeds an Amazon Fire Recast DVR kept in the barn. That DVR allows me to cast programs to the TVs in my house and provides an Over-the-air guide. As such, none of my TVs need co-ax to do over-the-air, they just pick it up from the local network. Full record functions.. I really like the system, no service fees.
 

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I told my cable company to ****** off 2 weeks ago after 29 years with them. I stream Netflix, watch Roku, Plex, tubi and a few other free streaming services and a 5 foot piece of copper coax with 6 inches of sheathing removed from one end picks up all the local channels. I dont miss it at all.

Paco
 

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You can use this: https://www.antennaweb.org/

Just get an antenna based on those recommendations (or slightly better range).

I have an external antenna mounted on top of the shop. From there, it directly feeds an Amazon Fire Recast DVR kept in the barn. That DVR allows me to cast programs to the TVs in my house and provides an Over-the-air guide. As such, none of my TVs need co-ax to do over-the-air, they just pick it up from the local network. Full record functions.. I really like the system, no service fees.
The guide alone was worth the price of the Firetv Recast box, being able to record network shows was a bonus. And like you mentioned, you only need one antenna as long as you have Fire sticks for each tv.
 

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The guide alone was worth the price of the Firetv Recast box, being able to record network shows was a bonus. And like you mentioned, you only need one antenna as long as you have Fire sticks for each tv.

I should mention that Amazon has just now discontinued Recast, but boxes are still available. These things make OTA great.
 

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Looks like they’re going to support the recast box until at least 2026. I recommend anyone thinking about it to go ahead and get one. It looks like there are some used ones on eBay for like 40 bucks.
 

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I use a HD homerun Quattro box. Antenna goes into box, box plugs into network. Use apps on our rokus and firesticks. Can stream to 4 different devices at once.
 
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